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Overseas Crooks Abuse TTY Phone Service

Rick Zeman writes "The Arizona Daily Star is reporting on how 419 scammers and credit card thieves are abusing the US' TTY service which enables hearing-impaired citizens to make phone calls with the help of an intermediary operator. 'The callers try to use stolen credit-card numbers to make big purchases of merchandise from American companies. The operators often suspect fraud, but they can't just hang up. Federal rules require them to make the calls and keep the contents strictly confidential.' Yes, Virginia, they have no shame...."

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  1. We've gotten this by bravehamster · · Score: 5, Informative

    At the computer shop I run we've literally recieved hundreds of these phone calls. The conversation typically goes like this (but relayed, so it takes forever)

    Do you sell laptops?
    No, we don't sell any laptops.
    How about desktops?
    Yes, we do desktops.
    Will you ship overseas?
    No, no overseas shipments.
    Ok..ok...how about Los Angeles.
    We can do that.
    Ok, I have credit card, I can pay now.
    We'd need some sort of verification that you are the cardholder.

    The conversation goes downhill from there. The first few times we took it seriously, but since then we've refused to take relay calls. If we hear the operator say "This is a relay call" we interrupt and say "Sorry, we don't take relay calls" and then HANG UP. If you don't hang up, the operator will say "hold" while they type out the message and then wait for a response. Waste..of...goddamn...time. Slamming the reciever down helps. If there's any people who genuinely use the service...sorry, we just can't afford to spend hours wading through these phone calls to get to you.

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    1. Re:We've gotten this by ShortSpecialBus · · Score: 4, Informative

      They could be fired/jailed for that. When I worked as a Relay Operator, the main things stressed were Confidentiality and Transparency. You are NEVER NEVER allowed to talk to either end. Your job is a telephone line. You can't answer questions, you can't do anything. If you get asked questions, you basically have to tell the person that you are a telephone line and don't know anything, and to ask the person who they are talking to. Or my favorite thing to do was just type the questions that they asked me to the TTY user.

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    2. Re:We've gotten this by fo0bar · · Score: 4, Informative
      I have several deaf friends who use both TTY relay services and the newer internet relay services. And because of this, admittedly I use the internet relay services occasionally. While this is technically an abuse of the system, as I myself am not deaf, it can be a real convieience. One thing to mention, if you do use these services, deaf or not, is to be POLITE. Remember, this is a throwback of the original TTY services, so there is a certain formality to the conversation. Use the proper etiquette, and be sure to thank the CA (communication assistant) at the end of the conversation. This must be an incredibly boring and tedious job, so at lease use a little manners when dealing with them.

      That being said, I would recommend at least listening to the first sentence of the caller before thinking about hanging up. Just yesterday I called a local computer shop to check the price of a power supply, and the conversation was quick and polite. (I doubt nigerian scammers would want to buy a $60 power supply and ask about the store hours). Here's approximately how a conversation goes: (other end begins with a colon)

      : dialing... 1... 2... answered... (male) thank you for calling computershop inc. how can i help you q ga
      hello. what is your lowest price on a 500 watt power supply q ga
      : let me check one moment (hold music) I have one for 59 90 ga
      thank you. and what time are you open until tonight q ga
      : 6 pm ga
      thanks a lot ga to sk
      : thank you (call ended)
      : ga or sk
      ca thank you sk
      : sksk

      A little terminology: "ga" means "go ahead", "q ga" is asking a question, "ga to sk" is signaling that you wish to end the conversation ("sk" meaning "stop keying"), "ga or sk" is essentially the CA asking "is there anything else I can do for you?", at which point I thank him/her and signal the end of the conversation. "sksk" is the final signal that the conversation is over.

  2. Re:What a horrible job. by ShortSpecialBus · · Score: 4, Informative

    I worked as a relay operator for about 9 months before I quit because it was ridiculous.

    Mind you, this wasn't normal tty relay. This was IP-Relay, which allows anyone with a computer to use it as a tty basically.

    Because I've signed NDA's and don't really want to break federal law, I can't go into detail about any calls, but I think I can safely say that what the article describes is pretty accurate.

    Also, As for sex lines, that's not too common with IP-Relay. What is common though is bored high school kids calling each other and being very creative with what they make you say/type.

    It's funny for a while, and not that bad of a job, but a lot of it is tedious, dull, and annoying (Touchtone menus...AARGH).

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  3. Re:No authentication leads to abuse... by abb3w · · Score: 5, Informative

    Free TTY services be allowed to issue usernames and passwords to their customers,

    Yes. Requiring some sort of proof that the service is needed as you suggest might also be desirable.

    keep text logs of the conversations,

    No.

    As I recall my sign language instructor explaining, the TTY Relay Service operator (and, I suppose, anything they might keep a hypothetical log with) is legally considered to be part of the telephone. They are NOT allowed to discuss anthing they hear; and any testimony they give about anything they have heard prior to a wiretap warrant being issued is legally inadmissable. You can be planning a murder, and the operator just has to relay the messages back and forth. It's a condition of legal privilege similar to those of spouses, doctors, lawyers, and the Secret Service.

    Allowing mandatory logging would effectively put a bug into the phone of every deaf person who has need of this service. Any regulation or legislation permitting this would be struck down in court as a violation of the equal protection and reasonable search clauses.

    As for the phone companies doing it themselves, they are under what is called "common carrier protection"-- they make no judgements over what to carry, they just send the voices back and forth, whether it's a call to mom or a death threat. Yes, harrassing calls are illegal, but the phone company only can take action AFTER the recipient complains. Logging, and revoking access based on use, would remove the Telco common carrier protection, and they REALLY don't want to do that. Not to mention the incidental that this might get them sued for civil rights violations under that pesky equal protection clause again.


    This report does lead me to wonder, however. I recall being informed by a professor who specializes in history of computing that the phone phreak community back in the 1970's to 1990s was had a very large blind community. While speculations on the cause of that are moot to the matter at hand, there might actually be a group of deaf/hard-of-hearing folk who are gathering around this new (and even less moral) illegal activity. If so, it would be depressing.

    Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, I just argue with one.

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  4. Re:No authentication leads to abuse... by awtbfb · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's 200000-700000 people using an older type of tty terminal.

    Since this is /. I'll chime in here with some clarifying information. TTYs are not what most /.ers would consider a tty. To communicate with the old, unfortunately almost standard, Baudot style TTY, you need to buy a special modem. Baudot is dog slow (45.45 Baud) and a fast typist can easily out-type the protocol. At the receiving end it is incredibly painful to wait for someone to get through a long sentence. Newer, proprietary, fast protocols (e.g., TurboCode) have removed this bottleneck, but computer compatibility still requires hardware.

    This hardware requirement why internet relays are so nice - you can just use a regular computer without messing with extra gear and you can call from just about anywhere. Furthermore, you can now access the internet relays via smartphones and PDAs, thus giving users a truly mobile option.