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Lawrence Lessig Elected to FSF Board of Directors

Free Software Foundation writes "Stanford Professor Lawrence Lessig was elected to the Free Software Foundation's Board of Directors on March 28, 2004. With Eben Moglen, the two most prominent academic legal minds on the subject of copyleft licensing now both serve as Directors of the Foundation. Professor Lessig's involvement will undoubtedly give a major boost to the FSF's ongoing efforts to neutralize legal threats to software freedom. The official announcement is here."

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  1. Huh? by damiam · · Score: 3, Informative

    Lessig was elected two weeks ago and no one knew until today? How does that work out?

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    1. Re:Huh? by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's nothing. This november, we will elect someone president, but won't know who for months before the legal battle ends.

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  2. Any other rose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I still think that Eben Moglen sounds like the beginning of that Def Leppard song.

    I get nothing from the new guy. 'cept maybe "Less sig, more post"? On that note, I depart.

  3. Those who can do, those who can't... by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think Lessig is one of the foremost thinkers when it comes to modern intellectual property law. His thoughts are, of course, more evolutionary than revolutionary and closer to the mainstream concepts of IP rights and responsibilities than many of us are aware. His ideas have great impact on the way many of us think about IP law.

    However, his ideas are only effective within the walls of academia. He could actually enact through judicial activism many of the concepts and principles that he believes in if he were an actual judge.

    Which begs the question, why would an obviously talented legal thinker be passed over time and again for judicial appointments?

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    1. Re:Those who can do, those who can't... by vrtladept · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which begs the question, why would an obviously talented legal thinker be passed over time and again for judicial appointments?

      The problem is that he's just too liberal for the current conservative regime. I am a big fan of Lessig as well even though I usually vote Republican. I've read two of Lessig's books and while I might disagree with him on other things, he's dead right when it comes to intellectual property and presents a very informed opinion that I think most sane non RIAA or MPAA tainted people could agree with weather they are from a blue or red state.

    2. Re:Those who can do, those who can't... by odin53 · · Score: 3, Informative

      It has nothing to do with whether he's politically liberal or conservative. Note that he clerked for both Judge Richard Posner on the 7th Circuit and Justice Scalia of the SCOTUS, two very NOT liberal judges; not the actions of a generally politically liberal person.

    3. Re:Those who can do, those who can't... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He could actually enact through judicial activism...

      Stop right there. That's not right. Judicial activism should not exist in any direction, even on viewpoints we agree on. Judicial activism is where a judge ignores the law and just rules based on how they wish the law was. That's wrong.

      If you want him writing laws... send him to Congress.

    4. Re:Those who can do, those who can't... by vrtladept · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Well, he claims to be liberal in Free Culture.

      If I was an aspiring legal type, I'd probably clerk for just about any appellate level judge that would take me. The experience would be too good to pass up.

    5. Re:Those who can do, those who can't... by kevlar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Judicial activism has nothing to do with unconstitutional laws. It has to do with a judge considering a law "wrong" or "harsh" even though it _IS_ Constitutional.

    6. Re:Those who can do, those who can't... by vrtladept · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Okay, this is probably way OT, but.

      Well, we are discussing Lessig so I don't think this is offtopic. But to each his own.

      ... where does he claim that?

      You are right, there is no sentence in the book that says, "I am a liberal" but it is implied a few times. However, I remember it being insinuated several times in the book, but in the preface (page xiv) he says: If we understood his change, I believe we would resist it. Not "we" on the Left or "you" on the Right, but we who have no stake ... This leads me to believe he identifies with the Left or with liberals.

      I just don't know many liberal legal-types that would want to be their clerks, period.

      Well I can't speak for Lessig, but I would bet that being a clerk for a Justice is more of who you know than who you agree with. I'm a security consultant and more than once had to implement what I consider draconian intrusion on my client's employee's privacy. It pays the bills and is good experience on the resume. Does that make me a mercenary? Maybe, but isn't it really the jobs of consultants (and perhaps lawyers) to do the will of those who pay them?

  4. I just can't do it but.. by re-Verse · · Score: 5, Funny

    My hats off to Anybody who can find a way to score a +5 Funny off of this article.

  5. Re:Please... by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    continue to do nothing except "advocate" free software

    Evidently spoken by someone who uses free software like it was some kind of naturally happening thing...

    If not for the FSF, and Eblen amd RMS and the other, you might be posting your drivel with some non-free software, because some corporation would have managed to squash free software in order to grab more marketshare.

    I wish people like you were less ingrate and remembered whom you owe having the choice of running free software in the first place to.

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  6. CSPAN called by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They want their mindnumbingly boring story back.

  7. Probably won't help in the long run... by kcbrown · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Professor Lessig's involvement will undoubtedly give a major boost to the FSF's ongoing efforts to neutralize legal threats to software freedom.

    Perhaps. But remember that he was on the losing side of the Supreme Court case against the Copyright Term Extension Act.

    It certainly can't hurt to get all the assistance we can, so I'm pleased that he's been elected to the FSF Board, but let's not kid ourselves: we're very likely to lose the intellectual property fight -- there are far too many large corporations that are in favor of draconian and one-sided (favorable to them) intellectual property laws, and everyone that matters, including the Supreme Court, favors the large corporations.

    Interestingly enough, those very laws are exactly what will keep Microsoft in their monopoly position.

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  8. Lessig's latest book available free online by akratic · · Score: 5, Informative

    Lessig's latest book, Free Culture, is available online for free (both as in speech and as in beer). It was reviewed on Slashdot two weeks ago. I haven't read it yet, but I've read one of his earlier books, Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace, and thought it was excellent.

  9. Re:Please... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lessig is definitely not in the "all software should be Free" camp. He tends more to suggest that we should continue to feed the public domain, which means shorter copyrights, not the elimination of them.

    So really, he's much more moderate than RMS, so having him on the board should likely make the FSF a little more Congress-friendly.

  10. The big battle for free software... by Jake+Diamond · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...will be in the courts. We see it with Linux and SCO, and that won't be the last major court battle over free software. Free software (and open source, for those that worry about that distinction) has proven that it's up to snuff technically. And intelligent people can disagree over ease-of-use compared to commercial products.

    But the one area where proprietary software really has had free software outclassed is in legal muscle. Of course, some companies (Novell, IBM, HP for a few) have supported free software because they stand to benefit from it. But free software needs as many sharp legal experts as it can get--that will support free software for the sake of free software. It's nice to see that this is happening.

  11. Re:Please... by akratic · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not true; Lessig clerked for Justice Scalia on the Supreme Court, and for Richard Posner on the Seventh Circuit.

    Conservative judges can, and do, hire liberal clerks, and vice versa. Scalia, in particular, is known for hiring liberal clerks regularly. Lessig wrote an article for The Industry Standard about why there's nothing odd about this.

  12. Re:This is horrible by kiltedtaco · · Score: 3, Insightful
    In a way Lessig is a sellout to the big media industries.


    Bzzzzt. Wrong. Why don't you read one of his books before you start accusing him of being the exact opposite of what he is.

    Every time we've had it up to here with the likes of the RIAA and SCO, Lessing would come out and scream from the rooftoops that abolition of copyright is too radical, and those who see copyrights for the evil that they are get labeled as extremists.


    An extremist is someone who believes themselves to be absolutely unquestionably right, without considering the opinion of the opposition. Sounds like yourself. Just because Lessig is willing to look at both sides of the issue, which you obviously aren't capable of, doesn't mean he's a sellout to either side. He's simply willing to actualy expend some thought about the problem, instead of demanding one way or the other all the time.

    Sadly, Lessig is the extremist, and even nurotic. If a mugger wanted to beat an ole lady with a baseball bat 10 times, and I wanted to force it so that she would be beat 0 times - Lessing would come in and say we were both extremists and suggest we beat her 5 times.


    I'm sorry you don't agree with lessig. I'm also sorry can't understand the concept of comprimise. I'm also sorry you can't be bothered to contemplate the other side of your argument. You're obviously not a musician, writer, or artist. Just because you want to take their works for free doesn't mean it's right.
  13. how lessig lost the big one by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you want more info about Lessig losing that big copyright case, you can read his account of it. (very interesting, it half reads like an apology.)

    Here, in Lessigs style, is an anecdote (from the 80's) : A Microsoft sales rep messed up a 1.5million dollar deal - so the rep is called in to Gates' office and he says to Gates' "I guess I'm fired, yeh?", Gate's replies: "What? you just learned a big lesson and we footed a 1.5million dollar bill for that lesson - there's no way I'm gonna fire and have some other company gain that experience you just gained."

    Lessig is a good smart guy, and FSF/GNU have been doing the impossible for 20+ years now. Lessig lost a failed a big test, there'll be other tests, and he'll try again because he cares about the subject matter.

    (yes, this is my second time replying to the parent, the first reply was knee-jerk. This post is hopefully more considered - or at the least, it's longer.)

    (bleh, this post needs more thinking, but I should go do something else instead.)

    1. Re:how lessig lost the big one by WryCoder · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It doesn't just read like an apology, it is an apology. Lessig states he misread the court and argued poorly. However, IMO the majority opinion was one of pragmatism (just another extension), a desire to "harmonize" with the EU's extension, and the belief that since Congress had been given the authority to set the limits, the Court should not intervene. The dissenting opinions by Stevens and Breyer are remarkable. They actually addressed the constitutional issues.

      (You can Google Eldred v. Ashcroft for html, but the pdfs are much easier to read.)

  14. Re:I disagree by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Can you point to where he discourages people from using non-FSF licenses, or tries to prevent people from licensing their code as they will? I generally think Lessig's arguments are pretty clear, and I am pretty sure he would acknowledge that code and speech are both different forms of expression, that deserve to be protected by *limited term* copyrights, and that authors should be allowed to make money off of their work, whether its code or books, with the caveat that they should also use licenses that contribute back to the community and to the public domain.


    I don't think of Lessig as an absolutist like Stallman, he's an intellectual and academic, and academics generally spend too much time thinking and analyzing to have such a black-and-white view of the world. He's taken a stand to protect the very existence of concepts like the public domain. Yes, Creative Commons offers more flexibility in licensing format than the FSF offerings, but that's done in the domain that Lessig knows. I'd love to see the FSF become as warm and fuzzy and accepting as Creative Commons is, and I have no reason to believe that Lessig won't help with that process.

  15. Addition to the board loss to the effort? by emtechs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Over the years Lessig has always been the goto guy for comments putting the FSF actions and announcements in a digestible context. Now that he is officially part of the organization he won't be able to provide an objective opinion. Is that a gain or a loss?

  16. Re:Damn, misread that subject line by nudicle · · Score: 3, Informative

    um, Lessig is already on the EFF Board.