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Sapphire: A Liquid That Won't Get Things Wet

eaglebtc writes "Tuesday on Good Morning America, a representative from Tyco Fire & Security demonstrated an amazing new substance called Sapphire: a water-like fluid that does not get things wet. He filled a small fish tank with Sapphire and submerged a book, a laptop, and a flat panel TV. Both electronics were turned on when submerged; all three items came out completely unharmed. Click here for a slideshow of the demonstration. The official name for Sapphire is actually Novec 1230. Read about it here (PDF). Tyco sees practical applications of Sapphire in fire extinguisher systems for museums and libraries. By the same token of practicality, regular readers of Slashdot probably have something else in mind: total-immersion watercooling. Just think of the possibilities!"

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  1. "Water"-cooling by Liselle · · Score: 5, Informative

    Offtopic, but the submitter opened the door: according to their specs sheet (PDF warning), this stuff has a boiling point of 49.2C (120.6F). Processors burn hotter than that, how useful would it still be for cooling purposes if it were a gas? I also have to wonder what the long-term effects of exposure would be... it's one thing to dunk a laptop for a few seconds, it's something else entirely to have it swimming all day long. At least your machine would never catch on fire.

    They might have some information there about how well the stuff will conduct heat, but I got a lousy grade in Chemistry, so I'll leave it to the experts. ;)

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    1. Re:"Water"-cooling by random+coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to the fact sheet, this is meant to put out fire by lowering the temperature below the burning point, not by preventing oxygen from combusting the fuel. So it is the same thing, in fact.

    2. Re:"Water"-cooling by Myrrh · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, it is the same thing.

      Fire suppression systems such as those that use Halon (which was outlawed in the '90s due to its ozone-destroying side-effects) put out fires by displacing oxygen with some other gas.

      Spraying water on a fire does not "deprive" the fire of oxygen. In fact, this is why you aren't supposed to fight certain types of fires (a magnesium fire, for example) by spraying water on it. That's because if the fire is hot enough, it will "crack" the water molecules, liberating both oxygen and hydrogen -- which will of course make the fire much worse.

      Spraying water on a fire robs the fire of thermal energy. Evaporation (converting a liquid to a gas) is an endothermic process; it takes a significant amount of energy. When you dump a bunch of water on a fire, it takes energy from the combustion reaction to turn the water into steam. Eventually so much thermal energy has been taken from the fire that the fire extinguishes.

    3. Re:"Water"-cooling by fintler · · Score: 5, Informative
      It makes me wonder why they haven't developed hard drives to work in a vacuum.


      Hard drives work because air is there. The head basically "takes off" in a sense. It flys above the platters. In a vacuum, the head would just drag along the platter, probably destroying the drive.
  2. Fluorinert by Winter · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is of course not the first liquid that does not cause harm to electronics, and can be used for total immersion water cooling. Fluorinert (3m) has been around for a while. One version of it is(was) also used for liquid breething deep diving (same as used on "The Abyss").

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  3. Specs Data by Liselle · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here, I pulled it before /. nuked the site:
    Chemical Formula CF3CF2C(O)CF(CF3)2
    Molecular Weight 316.04
    Boiling Point @ 1 atm 49.2&#176;C (120.6&#176;F)
    Freezing Point -108.0&#176;C (-162.4&#176;F)
    Critical Temperature 168.7&#176;C (335.6&#176;F)
    Critical Pressure 18.65 bar (270.44 psi)
    Critical Volume 494.5 cc/mole (0.0251 ft3/lbm)
    Critical Density 639.1 kg/m3 (39.91 lbm/ft3)
    Density, Sat. Liquid 1.60 g/ml (99.9 lbm/ft3)
    Density, Gas @ 1 atm 0.0136 g/ml (0.851 lbm/ft3)
    Specific Volume, Gas @ 1 atm 0.0733 m3/kg (1.175 ft3/lb)
    Specific Heat, Liquid 1.103 kJ/kg&#176;C (0.2634 BTU/lb&#176;F)
    Specific Heat, Vapor @ 1 atm 0.891 kJ/kg&#176;C (0.2127 BTU/lb&#176;F)
    Heat of Vaporization @ boiling point 88.0 kJ/kg (37.9 BTU/lb)
    Liquid Viscosity @ 0&#176;C/25&#176;C 0.56/0.39 centistokes
    Solubility of Water in Novec 1230 Fluid <0.001 % by wt.
    Vapor Pressure 0.404 bar (5.85 psig)
    Relative Dielectric Strength, 1 atm (N2=1.0) 2.3
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    1. Re:Specs Data by Cecil · · Score: 5, Informative

      I am not a chemist, but you do know that CFC stands for 'chlorofluorocarbon' right? As in, Chlorine, Flourine, and Carbon? Where in that chemical composition do you see any chlorine? It's not a CFC just because it has the letters 'C', 'F', and 'C' in it somewhere.

      Which isn't to say fluorine is pleasant stuff, but it's not going to destroy the ozone layer.

  4. Evaporation... by Benm78 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Take a look at these specs:

    Boiling Point @ 1 atm 49.2 C
    Heat of Vaporization @ boiling point 88.0 kJ/kg
    Vapor Pressure 0.404 bar

    This is a liquid that will readily evaporate (a little slower than ether would). If a limited quanitity is used (such as in a hand-held extinguisher), it will probably evaporate before you get the chance to clean it up.

    The article also states that the LC50 is over 10% by volume, which tells this substance is probably not very dangerous, unless specific medical problems arise.

    As it seems to be safe to the atmosphere as well, i guess the 'plan' is to just let it sit there and evaporate.

    This may sound dangerous, but we do the same with CO2 - which is more lethal to anyone entering the room and possibly to the environment (global warming) as well.

  5. Bad idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    One problem. Try heating a frying pan with nothing on it. After you can sense that it's hot enough, sprinkle a little water on it. The water will float over the pan.

    When the water makes contact with the hot pan, it turns to steam, which then insulates the remaining water above the pocket. The temperature of that pocket of steam gets quite high since it has little opportunity to escape and doesn't really get cooled. More importantly, the pan gets very little cooling effect from the water evaporation.

    Therefore, you should never rely on coolant when any part of it is at or very close to its boiling point. The coolant properties of the fluid break down.

    The above doesn't really match your example, since it's not immersed within a coolant environment. For a better example, use a boiling pot of water. Examination of the locations of steam nucleation reveal that those areas (however small) do not get wet, and gets insulated as illustrated above.