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Sony Develops 25 GB Paper Disc

jaaron writes "TOPPAN Printing and Sony today announce the successful development of a 25GB paper disc based on Blu-ray Disc technology. Yes, that's right, *paper*. Details will be announced at the Optical Data Storage 2004 conference to be held from April 18th to April 21st at Monterey, California."

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  1. Reliable? by l810c · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Since a paper disc can be cut by scissors easily, it is simple to preserve data security when disposing of the disc

    Seems like they would be very easy to damage.

    1. Re:Reliable? by Phekko · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ever looked inside a hard drive? The stuff inside is not that hard to damage, either. This is why it's meant to be kept inside. I would imagine the same principle applies to paper drives.

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    2. Re:Reliable? by Lehk228 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      pointless as well, since scratching the foil off a CD is so hard (not) just take a knife to it to remove foil then crack it in half

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    3. Re:Reliable? by PretzelBat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wrong. This is meant to be a replacement for plastic media (read DVDs and CD-ROMs). It will NOT be kept inside anything (except maybe a jewel case).

    4. Re:Reliable? by torpor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      l, it doesn't make sense that paper beats rock by covering it (as it doesn't damage the rock, while on the other hand it can destroy the paper by tearing it)

      yes it does.

      s-p-r is a state game. whenever one of the objects changes state, it is the losing object. paper covering a rock stops it from being 'rock'. a rock, covered by paper, is not a rock. its a paper covered rock.

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  2. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is when you factor in what becomes of those 'cheap discs' when they end their life cycle and end up in a landfill.

  3. Cheap demos? Cheaper "throwaway" movies? by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Imagine what this could do for the rental business. Now, I'm not about to get rid of my DVDs, and I hope they don't stop selling them: I rather like "owning" a movie I can play whenever Iike.

    But getting on an airplane, and instead of "renting" a movie, I just but the cheap $2.00 one. This is what DiVX could have been without the annoying DRM and phone calling back method.

    If I want to try out a game, such as "Jak and Daxter 14: Goatees for Everybody", I could get the cheap $5 full version paper demo, try it out, and when the disk finally breaks down say "Well, I can either buy another $5 version and finish the game, or pay $30 for the full version".

    Either way, Sony doesn't come across looking evil, and I get what I want.

  4. Re:Background... by donutz · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the PDF:
    ...the recording lay in a Blu-ray Disc sits on the surface of a 1.1-mm thick plastic substrate, protected by a 0.1-mm thick cover layer. This only leaves the problem of surface scratching and fingerprints, which can be prevented by applying a specifically developed, innovative hard-coat on top of the cover layer. This protective coat is hard enough to prevent accidental abraisions and also allow fingerprints to be removed by wiping the disc with a tissue.


    So there's just a tenth of a millimeter protecting the recording layer. And I thought I had issues with CD's getting scratched...well, at least there's the "hard coat". But wait, there's more!
    Next section in the PDF says (emphasis mine):

    Despite the fact that Blu-ray Discs require the application of a cover layer and an optional hard coat, this should have little overal impact on disc manufacturing costs.


    The hard coat is optional. Wouldn't it be convenient for the manufacturers to release discs without the hard coat, that get easily scratched, that need to be re-purchased to be replaced? /conspiracy theory off
  5. Re:paper, scissors, fuck... by operagost · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It bothers me that people are concerned about cutting down trees when they are a renewable resource and the products are heavily recyclable. If one was focusing on specific problems, such as wildlife conservation, I could relate. But it's always "CUTTING DOWN TREES IS BAD!" and not "We need to stop the logging in X region to save the Y species!"

    On a side note - man, the Japanese are really good at making things out of wood and paper, aren't they?

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  6. have you been living under a rock? by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it's not the cost of the recording media that makes movies and music expensive, otherwise CDs would've come down in price like the industry promised (ha!) when the technology first came out.

    if it was possible, you could come up with digital video disks made from cow chips, and they would still charge the same price for a movie.

  7. Re:Interesting by Mateito · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > Might be fun to try and print out and scan back in say a knoppix cd in as
    > few pages as possible, "what you mean you don't
    have a cd drive ... you have a scanner?"

    In which case, the limitation isn't the write head, its the read head. So where are scanners now, 1200x600 last time I looked. Which puts us around 15MB for a double sided page.

    So although it may be a little difficult to put out a Knoppix CD just yet, but that is easily more than enough for a linux distribution.

    Maybe for secure applications? IDS, Firewall etc.

    Only problem is that none of my computers have the scanner as a boota option.

    Something tells me that this still isn't the most efficient way to use paper to distribute porn tho.

  8. Re:paper, scissors, fuck... by donbrock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >Since the disc is made out of paper, and the current number of optical discs is about 20 billion per year, it is easy to use even more trees.

    Hopefully, they'll be able to manufacture them using recycled paper.

  9. Let's put in in perspective! by lcsjk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The present CDs are very close to 1.1 mm thick, although I do have one that is close to 1.5-mm thick. THe diameter of a thick black hair is about 0.11-mm and that of a blond (natural) is about 0.08-mm. When I pick up a (0.12 x 0.050)-mm particle (I work with those) I cannot tell which side of the tweezers if sticks to, and my tweezers are needle sharp.

  10. Re:Background... by Trepalium · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is all true, except when one particular manufacturer has a monopoly on a product, exactly the way copyright allows. Only Disney can authorize the reproduction of Disney movies, and if Disney decides they want to put them all on volitile discs that will be damaged easily, it's their choice. If you decide you want a Disney movie, you'll have no choice but to buy one of their discs that are designed to fail, or make an illegal copy yourself on a more durable medium. Copyright based industries don't compete with each other in the same way other industries do because their products are non-substitutable. When I buy bread, I can substitute any of the different brands with any other. If I want a LOTR movie, I can only get it from New Line Video, regardless of which store I go to.

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  11. Renewable Resource? by darkonc · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It's only a 'renewable resource' if it's being renewed by nature faster than we're consuming it... This is true with neither oil nor trees. The difference is that trees regrow fast enough that you can see some progress.

    At the rate things are going, however, we're likely to run out of both at about the same time.

    With trees, there's also the factor that forests are a good deal more than just trees, and trees do more than just stand there (like oil generally does). Problem is that nobody ever managed to put a price on oxygen manufacturing, pollution abatement, flood/drought/weather moderation or many of the other things that forests do.

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  12. Re:Background... by Trepalium · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Sort of. Anyone can make bread that tastes like, smells like, and looks like Wonderbread, as long as they don't call it Wonderbread. However, no one except those authorized by the Tolkien estate can make a movie that looks like, sounds like, or acts like a LOTR story.

    Put another way, if you REALLY wanted to see, say, Hellboy, substituting Spawn wouldn't help you. If you wanted to see Ella Enchanted, subtituting The Princess Bride wouldn't help. In comparison, if you wanted a sandwich, it probably doesn't matter if it's on OvenJoy, Safeway, or Wonderbread. The vast majority of people wouldn't know the difference unless they saw the bag it came in.

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