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XOrg Foundation Opens Membership and Elections
XOrg Foundation writes "To active developers and users of the X Window System:You are invited to join and help shape the direction of the new X.Org Foundation. Membership in the X.Org Foundation is now open and free.Applications for membership are sought from all contributors to the X and Desktop communities." Read more below for the rest of the information from the foundation.
The Interim Board of directors has established that examples of acceptable
contributions that will qualify you for membership in the Foundation include
coding, bug-fixing, testing, design, documentation, translation,
administration or maintenance of project-wide resources, speaking at
conferences, and supporting bugzilla or release management.
Should you wish to apply for free membership in the X.Org Foundation, then
please visit:
http://www.x.org/XOrg_Foundation_Membership.html
All Members are eligible for election to the Board of Directors and the
Architecture Group of the XOrg Foundation. The XOrg Foundation is now
seeking nominations for candidates for election to these groups.
Nominations for each election are open until 23.59 PDT on Friday 30th April
2004 for those Members of the X.Org Foundation who wish to stand for
election. You may nominate yourself for election. You may not nominate any
other member.
There will be 8 people elected to each of the Board of Directors and the
Architecture Group. In this first year of the X.Org Foundation, the four
candidates polling the most votes in each election will be granted a two
year term of office (until June 2006), and the next four candidates will
receive 1 year term of office (until June 2005). In subsequent years, four
seats of each group will be re-elected in the annual elections.
It is permissible for a candidate to stand for election for both the Board
of Directors and the Architecture Group.
The responsibilities of an elected person are detailed in the current
Bylaws of the X.Org Foundation, which can be found at:
http://www.x.org/XOrg_ByLaws_17Sep03.pdf
In addition, an elected person will be required to attend the annual
meeting of the X.Org Foundation, which will be held a location determined
in advance by the Board of Directors.
Should you wish to enter your candidacy for these elections, then please
prepare a personal statement of up to 200 words that can be provided to
prospective voters. This statement, and the statement of contribution to
the X.Org Foundation (which you completed when applying for membership)
will be made available to all voters to help them make their voting
decisions.
Once you have completed your personal statement, then you may visit:
http://www.x.org/member/XOrg_Foundation_Election_N omination.tpl
to enter your candidacy for the X.Org Foundation elections.
We look forward to your membership and candidacy submissions,
The Interim Board
X.Org Foundation."
The Interim Board of directors has established that examples of acceptable
contributions that will qualify you for membership in the Foundation include
coding, bug-fixing, testing, design, documentation, translation,
administration or maintenance of project-wide resources, speaking at
conferences, and supporting bugzilla or release management.
Should you wish to apply for free membership in the X.Org Foundation, then
please visit:
http://www.x.org/XOrg_Foundation_Membership.html
All Members are eligible for election to the Board of Directors and the
Architecture Group of the XOrg Foundation. The XOrg Foundation is now
seeking nominations for candidates for election to these groups.
Nominations for each election are open until 23.59 PDT on Friday 30th April
2004 for those Members of the X.Org Foundation who wish to stand for
election. You may nominate yourself for election. You may not nominate any
other member.
There will be 8 people elected to each of the Board of Directors and the
Architecture Group. In this first year of the X.Org Foundation, the four
candidates polling the most votes in each election will be granted a two
year term of office (until June 2006), and the next four candidates will
receive 1 year term of office (until June 2005). In subsequent years, four
seats of each group will be re-elected in the annual elections.
It is permissible for a candidate to stand for election for both the Board
of Directors and the Architecture Group.
The responsibilities of an elected person are detailed in the current
Bylaws of the X.Org Foundation, which can be found at:
http://www.x.org/XOrg_ByLaws_17Sep03.pdf
In addition, an elected person will be required to attend the annual
meeting of the X.Org Foundation, which will be held a location determined
in advance by the Board of Directors.
Should you wish to enter your candidacy for these elections, then please
prepare a personal statement of up to 200 words that can be provided to
prospective voters. This statement, and the statement of contribution to
the X.Org Foundation (which you completed when applying for membership)
will be made available to all voters to help them make their voting
decisions.
Once you have completed your personal statement, then you may visit:
http://www.x.org/member/XOrg_Foundation_Election_N omination.tpl
to enter your candidacy for the X.Org Foundation elections.
We look forward to your membership and candidacy submissions,
The Interim Board
X.Org Foundation."
Nevek For Governor!!
Whats an xwindows system?
well helllloooo ladies, I'm a member of X.org...
Why must we have elections, and official positions? Just open source it, and let the community decide what's best for the project.
Seriously I hope they have a more reliable system than that.
Does anyone know why they are doing this?
Whas the organisation failing apart and they are desperate for new members?
Or are they financially healthy and want to grow bigger this way?
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I think you meant:
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a bit excessive
-theGreater Hack-u.
I think it's the personal addressing and the crap formatting. Are all the modalities assured in this risk free venture?
Aren't there quite a few forks of XFree86 at this point? Shouldn't we be worried about fragmentation? How can you develop for Linux if you now have to worry about the graphic subsystem as well?
(First Post?!?)
The first thing I plan to do is to cleanse the codebase of all bad code. A good programmatic cleansing from time to time helps refresh the CVS tree of liberty.
Do you get a fancy @x.org mailaddress?
Interesting way to go tell XF86.Org to go pound sand.. First release their old licensed code, then demonstrate how much more open your board of directors is... I think I like it..
the myriad of problems users of GUI in Linux face. I mean, common, it surely pisses me if I have to edit a config file by hand if I install any nvidia driver. Also, I hate to do it again when I recompile a new kernel.
Also, I hope they provide a solid backdrop from where desktop linux can emerge.
"In questions of science the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual."
Anyone know if NVidia or ATI is going to be involved with this? Sure would be nice to have stable drivers for 3d acceleration from the get-go...
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos
Dragging up these kinds of conflicts as a problem with open source projects is a lousy excuse at best.
In the real world, if clients are "appalled by the infighting and bickering" what it really means is that they are appalled because they got to see what would otherwise to a large extent happen behind closed doors protected by ridiculous membership fees for industry consortiums, or they somehow see it as "infighting and bickering" when it happens on a mailing-list and serious, worthwhile competition when it happens in the form of press releases from large companies.
If your clients can't handle that, they need to learn - openness means dirty laundry IS aired in public, and ultimately it's a strength that allow users to take organizational risk into account when choosing a software solution, something which is inherently hard to do with companies where all the nasty stuff happens behind the users backs.
Great... Whoever has more developpers can easily control X.Org. Donno if this is good or bad, but at least it won't be company oriented after all.
"In the real world, good-quality software comes with no strings attached."
Those 2 thing go together. "Free" as in freedom (as in GPL) gets you no-strings. The whole X fork happened because someone tried to add strings.
"In short, please work on developing good software. As long as it's free as in $0.00, I'll be happy."
This makes me want to call you all sort of nasty stuff. Why don't YOU go develop something I want and then give it to ME? I'll just sit here and bitch about your development process and complain if it isn't $0.00.
Or was your post supposed to be a joke and I missed it?
In other words:
Gripe 1: A packet gets sent EVERY TIME THE CURSOR BLINKS!
Could it be possible to specify the cursor blink rate in X-windows?
Gripe 2: Why does the ENTIRE app need to redraw itself (using huge amounts of network bandwidth) every time I obscure it with a window or hop to another virtual desktop???
Could X-windows support display lists like OpenGL?
Look, if you want them to listen to you, then calm down and don't use CAPITALS or "????!!!!" all over the place. It makes you look like a zealot with emotional problems.
Anyway... a large part of the slowness over the network are caused by the toolkit and the apps, not by the protocol itself! QT and GTK do not use the X protocol efficiently.
Until the toolkits and apps are fixed, use NX compression. I heard it does wonders and makes Mozilla usable even over a modem.
And do you get a funky rubber suit and a cool name?
"Anonymo" or something?
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by openning up their hardware programming specifications.
I have none of the problems you mention, and that is because my video card has open programming specifications.
The Internet's nature is peer to peer - 20050301_cs_profs.pdf
>2: Why does the ENTIRE app need to redraw itself (using huge amounts of
>network bandwidth) every time I obscure it with a window or hop to
>another virtual desktop??? The damned thing is already wasting traffic
>updating when I'm not even lookin g at it, why does it need to redraw
>AGAIN when I view the window again???? Now onto my final gripe for
>right now.
Toolkit problem. Don't blame that on X.
>Gripe 3: If X is such a truly network independent application why the
>hell can't I simply redirect the output of an already running process
>to any X-term???
Cause ther's a lot of state residing on the X server about every
application/Xwindow. And there is no current way of transferring
that state to another X server.
The latter is a problem with the app, not with the X protocol. The X protocol allows it to notify an app when its windows are mapped or unmapped, so the app needn't attempt to make the cursor blink in an unmapped window.
That's a problem with the capabilities and/or configuration of the X server, but not with the X protocol. The protocol allows backing store and save under.
Xorg isn't licensed GPL but with the old XFree license(v.1.0) that is GPL compatible. The big discussion was because the latest XFree license(v.1.1) holds a clause that makes it incompatible with GPL, which then might produce massive problems with anything linked to it. This isn't yet a problem as the XFree's xlib is still using the old license, but people fear it might be in the future.
Uh, XFree86 has never been GPLed or LGPLed. It's under an MIT/X11 license variant since it's inception- I know, I had to license code modifications to the Utah-GLX source base under that license. What transpired was that the guy in charge of the XFree86 project changed the license to more of a BSD-ish license that requires advertising, etc. This made the newly licensed version incompatible on a licensing level with any GPLed OS- you can use it, you just can't distribute the new version of XFree86 with a Linux distribution without the prospects of possible legal hassles, etc.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
Gripe 3: If X is such a truly network independent application why the hell can't I simply redirect the output of an already running process to any X-term?
You can easily do this if you use screen. I do it all the time.
http://www.guckes.net/screen/
Use it like this:
user@host:~$ screen -S longcompile
user@host:~$ make
Now press ctrl-a then d to detach.
Close all your terms and go home.
Now ssh back into the machine and type screen -R longcompile to reconnect to your compile session. You can detach and reattach as often as you like. It also has a lot more features, but I'll let you RTM for those.
A musician without the RIAA, is like a fish without a bicycle.
They sell graphics cards. They dont care if linux/X or MS succeeds. It makes no difference for them. They would probably prefer one OS existed so that they only have to write drivers for one platform.
I bet they just wait it out and continue to support xfree86. There is no reason for them to act. In that respect, this is a setback to linux/X. Uncertainty has not been a good environment for technology investments since the dotcom bust. How many people buy their high end cards for windows as opposed to Mac or Linux? My guess is 90%-5%-5%.
Are you intolerant of intolerant people?
Personally, I think there is a case for allowing vector graphics in X - it would make fonts easier to define, for example. Low-level voxel support would be nice, too, for when people play with 3D.
There's also a case for modifying the X font server to support metafonts.
The sample implementation needs a few speedups, too - it's OK but could include accelerated cases. I've also had lots of problems running binaries compiled from their sources. Too many quirks.
Aside from these minor irritants, X as it stands is a very good system.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Sorry, I know it's screwey to reply to yourself, but looking over their website some more they look to be even deeper in denial than I thought over this, and I don't see any better place to post this than here.
The Xfree86 homepage proudly trumpts the following:
But checking up on it, that doesn't seem to be true.
NetBSD?
XFree86 upgraded to version 4.3.0 for those architectures which use XFree86 version 4.
SlackWare?
- XFree86 4.3.0
My Portugeuse is a bit rusty and I gave up trying to find what version Connectiva is shipping, but I found it astonishing that they would claim NetBSD and Slack are using 4.4 when they aren't. Is anyone shipping Xfree86 4.4?
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Friends don't let friends enable ecmascript.
Those 2 thing go together. "Free" as in freedom (as in GPL) gets you no-strings.
Actually, the GPL is not no-strings. No strings would be public domain. GPL is more like 1 string -- if you release it, provide source. Depending on your philosophy and whether or not you agree with the GNU Manifesto, that's either a whisper-thin thread or a big thick rope that weighs you down.
Have you read the GNU Manifesto lately?
You want a backing store for the windows. Try using the +bs option to the X server, as in