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Brain Chip Approved For Paralysis Research

dalillama writes "The BBC is reporting that tests are underway for the clinical trials of the "Brain Gate" computer chip, placed in the brains of paralysis patients. They hope the chips will map out nerve impulses which are sent to limbs, so that they can then be translated into computer code and sent to future artificial limbs. " Thanks to Robert Brooks for pointing out this closely related piece.

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  1. You Know It's Important News... by bcolflesh · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...when High Times picks it up!

  2. Vey Cool by darth_MALL · · Score: 5, Funny

    Combine this with the robotic exoskelton legs that MIT(?) just revealed, and we'll have Stephen Hawking in the marathon in no time (a la Onion)

  3. I'd buy that for a dollar... by beeglebug · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the article: "The signals will be monitored through wires emerging from the skull, which presents some danger of infection. The company is working on a wireless version"

    If they can work out a way to hook it into an 802.11g home network, i'd get one fitted, paralysis or not!

    Imagine being able to control devices in the home as easily as controlling a limb. Of course controlling those same devices when drunk would be another matter entirely...

    1. Re:I'd buy that for a dollar... by DR+SoB · · Score: 5, Funny

      Honey, stop dreaming about internet p0rn, I'm trying to surf Stewart living and I keep getting re-directed!!

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    2. Re:I'd buy that for a dollar... by MoonBuggy · · Score: 4, Funny

      What about a mechwarrior style exoskeleton with the controls hooked into your brain. The days of geeks being beaten up would finally be over >:-)

    3. Re:I'd buy that for a dollar... by Flashbck · · Score: 3, Funny

      Heh...until someone hacks your WEP key and gets access to your brain!

      I can see it now, some guy is sitting at home and all of a sudden a script kiddie pulls up in front of his house with a laptop and his newly downloaded copy of Da' Chronic's Chronic Crip Controller and WEP Stealer. Suddenly Joe the Brain Chip tester starts running around bumping into the walls and doing backflips!

      The next day he walks outside and sees on his sidewalk: 3\/|1 |-|4>0r $7r||3$ 4g4||\|!!! f33r |\/|y 1337|\|3$$!!!

    4. Re:I'd buy that for a dollar... by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's be a VERY long time since I've seen a .sig that was appropriate for the post ... :-)

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    5. Re:I'd buy that for a dollar... by Merkuri22 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is a difference. For one, it's a lot less complicated to "listen" to the brain's outputs and map what does what in a healthy person for use in a person with those connections severed. It's a lot harder to try and listen, so to speak, for the correct signal that the brain will interpret as "yellow". There has been some work in this area, yes, but it's far from perfect. Cochlear implants are being used today to help deaf people hear, but people who were able to hear at one point but later had an implant put in often say that it sounds "tinny" compared to natural hearing.

      Then there's the question of if people really experience things in the same way. I mean, anyone can point to the color yellow on a color chart (well, people will full color vision) but how do we know that I actually experience the same thing you do when I see yellow? Now, this is sort of getting into the realm of the metaphysical, but it's something we may need to think about when we start pumping alien signals into people's heads. Wierd and unexpected effects may happen in some people and not in others.

      A third thing to think about is how dangerous this is. If you try and move your new artificial limb up and it moves down, even if it moves down very fast and dangerously, you might risk injuring the arm and maybe give youself a few bruises, but no major harm will be done. Pumping signals INTO the brain, however, could have a lot more harmful outcomes. Certain frequencies of light on televisions has been proven to cause sesures, and artificial light signals may cause the same effects. Imagine if something goes wrong and all of a sudden you're experiencing a head-splitting high pitched tone and you didn't know how to stop it?

      And then it's dangerous in the more mundane sense of interrrupting your actual sensations. What if you were driving and you accidentally tripped your email program. Suddenly all you can see is your email. Ideally, we'd like to implement a system similar to how we daydream or think of things normally, where we can obviously tell the difference between reality and non-reality, even when we superimpose one image on another. But I don't think we have even the faintest idea how to do that. Just pumping signals to the existing connections to our eyes, for example, would probably hyjack our vision completely. And simply bombarding our brains with random electrical signals wouldn't really work, even if it weren't terribly dangerous. The brain doesn't always recognize new connections like that. Even some deaf children who have a cochlear implant never learn to hear. Their brain just doesn't know how to interpret that data. In order for something like that to work, you'd need to implant a child at a very young age and hope the brain learns to interpret those signals correctly.

      So, basically, there are tons more issues to deal with when sending info to the brain, rather than getting data from it. It's gonna be a while longer before you can read email with your eyes closed.

  4. How long until... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...the porn / spam industry get's a hold of these?

    I can't wait until I start receiving the "enhance your member through the powers of bionics!" spam...

  5. Re:Im as dumb as they come by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because they don't know which parts to connect. It would suck if every time you had to go pee your right leg would start shaking uncontrollably.

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  6. Reboot Feature by tadmas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder if they are going to have some kind of "reboot" feature in case the hardware starts failing or the software goes haywire. (Insert standard Windows BSOD joke here.) Seriously, though, I'd hate to see somebody's limbs just start moving erratically and without any control. That would be a nightmare.

    I don't know how they would actually implement such a feature, but it just seems kinda dangerous to me without it.

    1. Re:Reboot Feature by Thrakkerzog · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's not what it looks like mom, I swear! I can't stop my arm!!

    2. Re:Reboot Feature by Have+Blue · · Score: 4, Funny

      They could hook up the reboot feature to your vocal cords and tactile sensations. So, to reset the chip, you'd just have to tap yourself in the chest twice and shout "REBOOT!"

    3. Re:Reboot Feature by elwell642 · · Score: 3, Funny

      (Insert standard Windows BSOD joke here.)

      "I can't make it into work today... yeah, the license expired on my brain-to-leg bridge controller."

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  7. Follow the money by pr0t0plasm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When Cyberkinetics was a lab at Brown University, I design an amplifier array for the wireless implant mentioned in the article. The medical possibilities for the research are really pretty interesting, especially once the next generation probe is done. The trouble is that the medical possibilities are icing, and the cake is a control system for the exoskeleton of the soldier of the future... that's right, another fine DARPA technology.

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  8. Yay! Neuromancer is just a step away. by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 3, Funny

    OK, so you start with artificial limbs, move on to military projects with vision, audio, vehicle control, then in 30 years it hits the commercial market.

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  9. Gentlemen... by jacobhoupt · · Score: 4, Funny

    We have the technology. We can rebuild him, make him faster, stronger, better...

    Whooo chechechechechecheche...

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  10. Hack Your Friends! by Guildencrantz · · Score: 5, Funny

    How long before I can use my laptop to hack into my friend's motor control and make him dance?

    ~~Guildencrantz

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  11. Am I the only one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    who immediately thinks of a remotely controlled girlfriend with force-feedback? :)

  12. Just in time to match Kurzweil's theory by zapp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ray Kurzweil wrote an interesting book about the progression of technology over the next 100 years. Based on his law of accelerating returns, he predicts various events for the next few decades until the Singularity.

    The book was published in 2000, and already he'd made quite a few accurate predictions, and many since then have been accurate as well.

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  13. Re:Im as dumb as they come by Merkuri22 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why cant they just connect the brain to the legs and get the guy moving?

    That's the desired end result, I believe. However, it's not that simple. You need to figure out which part of the brain actually does the moving, which signal does what. Then you have to figure out which part of the leg to stimulate to make it move. Amputees would probably be easier to help than parapalegics, because when you make them an artificial arm or leg you know exactly how that limb works (the trick is telling it to move as easily as your natural limb). And in the future if this technology actually works there will probably be no physical connection between your brain and the paralized/artificial limb because to run wires through your body is uneccesary surgery and to run wires outside the body is unsightly. The connection will probably be wireless, though this opens up security issues (what happens if two parapalegics who have similar frequencies walk too close to each other... will one be able to move the other's leg if the interference is just right?)

  14. Walking? by jetkust · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm no expert, and it doesn't mention walking in the article, but I wonder if one will be able to walk using a system like this since the impulses from the nerve endings in the legs will never be sent back into the brain. It's kinda like trying to walk without being able to feel your legs. I doubt I could do it.

  15. Re:Why artificial limbs? by dr_dank · · Score: 5, Funny

    My (admittedly limited) understanding of the brain is that it sends an electric impulse to the muscles so why not try to emulate that impulse?

    Reverse engineering is the only way at the moment do so at the moment since the Supreme Being hasn't opened the source to the API.

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  16. When is it too far? by consolidatedbord · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While this is interesting and innovative technology, when is it too much? How much further will this go? Not to sound like a tinfoil fashion junkie, but what if this kind of stuff gets put into the wrong hands? Honestly. With companies like Cisco, APC, and others putting hardcoded backdoors into their products, what if someone decided the same was neccessary on a wireless version of this device? Don't get me wrong, new technology is amazing. But IMHO it is something to be feared and respected. Maybe somethings are best never invented. Pacemakers are awesome, but a chip to control muscle functions in the brains of paralysis patients seems a bit frightening. Especially if a wireless version is to emerge. No, it wouldn't be un-wep'ed 802.11b, but nonetheless this, to me is an alert. I don't know anyone personally who is paralyzed, so maybe I don't take this as seriously as others, but I can't see myself having a foreign object implanted into my brain any time soon. Of course extensive testing will be done to ensure that the product is usable for deployed to patients but can you imagine a failure of this? What if it (the chip) becomes uncontrollable for any number of reasons?

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    1. Re:When is it too far? by Merkuri22 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd think if you were completely paralized you'd jump (well, not literally, of course) to have this implanted. Even if it didn't allow you control of your limbs, anything to feel like you had some sort of influence on the outside world, even if it's just controlling the mouse on a computer, would be a big plus to any quadrepalegic, IMO.

      I mean, imagine it... not being able to move any of your arms or legs ever again. Being bedridden for the rest of your life doesn't sound like a very pleasant experience to me. I think if I were in that position and there was a high risk of death to using this chip then I'd still give it a shot.

  17. Brain bandwidth... by phorm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My question is: What is the bandwidth of the human brain. If we put it into terms of both latency (time before signal hits destination and a result is returned) and pipe size (how much data can we push through at a given time).

    Does our bring have a "ping." That is to say, if we had a leg where the nerve receptors has died, but the muscle nerves work (leprosy?), can you tell if it is moving when we want it to, or is the only return signal from the nerves that sense touch?

    It would be interesting to see if a wireless connection could handle brain bandwidth. I'd imagine that for the simple operatings such as moving an object etc low bandwidth is required. For a fully pluggable experience (how about integrating touch, hearing, and the optic nerve to pilot a mini-plane) I'd imagine that quite a lot of bandwidth is needed, as well as fairly low latency.

    But then again, I was recently at the doctor's doing exercises when I noticed that if I tried to do leg pumps too fast, my leg would be trying to "pull" when at times it should be doing a "push" and so I either get a short stroke or a shutter. Is this the same as a data collision or just lack of reaction speed due to the muscle not being well enough toned (the muscle is degenerated due to being immobilized from a break, but muscle tone is probably already average compared to most people).

  18. map this. by happyfrogcow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    mapping the brain could be interesting. especially on boundary conditions like in programming. what happens when the brain dies, what are the last signals it sends out?

  19. Ping Pong by randomErr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dude, I just pinged your head. Your brain is lagging big time.

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  20. Wires by iantri · · Score: 3, Informative
    This is an odd sort of question, but I've always wondered.. these implants with wires dangling out of them (like those experimental ones to make blind people see, for example).. what happpens if you snag them on something sharp?

    Does it go "RIIIP!" and a chunk of your skin is torn off the side of your head? ;)

  21. One step closer to the real Dr. Octopus! by DurendalMac · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now we need to perfect the genetic technology so that Spider Man can fight him off when he shows up and starts trashing New York.