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'Einstein Probe' Delayed

isorox writes "The BBC is reporting that a NASA satellite designed to test frame dragging, predicted by the theory of relativity, has been delayed for 24 hours because mission control couldn't verify the correct software had been loaded. The probe was proposed 35 years ago, but has never had the funding until now. The question remains is what happens if Frame Dragging isn't observed - will the experiment be wrong (in other words there's no point to it), or will we get faster-than-light ships for Christmas?"

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  1. NASA's near M$ like mistake! by pholower · · Score: 4, Funny
    NASA nearly became Microsoft on this one. I suppose it wouldn't necessarily be easy to send an update of the software controllers to the satellite. Thankfully they are taking their time and making sure everything is good to go before they launch. I would hate to see this satellite become nothing more than a $700 million piece of space junk. Einstein would be rolling over in his grave if that were to happen.

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    1. Re:NASA's near M$ like mistake! by Decameron81 · · Score: 2, Funny

      No they must have installed one of those evil open source programs on the satellite. They are more subject to viruses and hackers and byte-overheating. And you can go to hell just for watching them run.

      Or so Billy says...

      Diego

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    2. Re:NASA's near M$ like mistake! by SmurfBoy04 · · Score: 2, Funny

      He can't roll over in his grave without his brain! mmmm.... brains

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    3. Re:NASA's near M$ like mistake! by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...well, his brain could be spinning in its jar... and we can still worship that.

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    4. Re:NASA's near M$ like mistake! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Heck, remember when the Spirit Mars Rover crashed?

      Illegal overloading of 'crashed' operator. Ambiguating statement. Confused the fuck out of me for a second until I realized what you meant. :)

    5. Re:NASA's near M$ like mistake! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Would the rotation of Einstein effect his weight and the spacetime around him?
      -BlakeOPS

    6. Re:NASA's near M$ like mistake! by YetAnotherGeekGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

      The BBC is reporting that a NASA satellite designed to test frame dragging, predicted by the theory of relativity, has been delayed for 24 hours because mission control couldn't verify the correct software had been loaded.

      What if it already happened, and the effect is that it looks like the software wasn't loaded? Its like the guy who tested his time machine by going back five minutes in time. Then every five minutes he kept starting his time machine test by going back five minutes in time.

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    7. Re:NASA's near M$ like mistake! by hasdikarlsam · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, yes.

      Knowledge=power, right?
      We also have power=energy, and with relativity, energy=mass.

      Thus, knowledge=mass, and since Einstein was very knowledgeable he'll bend space around him more than other brains.

      Also, if he starts spinning the worshippers may get to observe frame dragging!

  2. Kirk to Enterprise... by AgentAce · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm voting for warp drive on this one!

  3. I can understand by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

    because mission control couldn't verify the correct software had been loaded.

    Man, I must have missed a career as NASA flight controller, because I feel exactly the same way each time XP goes to windowsupdate.microsoft.com...

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  4. "Frame dragging" already proven by wronskyMan · · Score: 5, Funny
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  5. They are spending money on the wrong things. by SirDrinksAlot · · Score: 2, Funny

    Its 2004, I was supposed to have my flying car and a moon base by now. These "scientists" dont have their priorities straight.

  6. Re:A negative result is a good result by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    WTF was that, "Carl Sagan's Cosmos: Brought to you by the Dick Cheney Foundation?"

  7. I observe Frame Dragging all the time.... by RabidMoose · · Score: 5, Funny

    Whenever I try to run games at too high resolution on this computer, the frames just start dragging along...

  8. Re:A negative result is a good result by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Man, stop smokin the crack:

    1) Good result, but result appears to confirm the prediction - this is a successful experiment - a negative result is as valid as a positive one.

    1) Good result, and result appears to confirm the prediction - this is a successful experiment


    That says the same freaking thing!! Not to mention you started at 1, went to 2, and then did 2 more 1's just trying to get to "four posibilities."

  9. Well... by morganjharvey · · Score: 4, Funny

    The question remains is what happens if Frame Dragging isn't observed - will the experiment be wrong (in other words there's no point to it), or will we get faster-than-light ships for Christmas?
    Let me put it this way:
    Greetings from next Tuesday!

    :)

  10. Re:If frame dragging isn't observed... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    The aliens invented the horse and buggy?

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  11. Wrong name by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    In this case its called "foot dragging", not "frame dragging".

  12. Re:verification by No.+24601 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Frankly, I hope they find that einstein was wrong and that there is a way to easily "bend" what we observe in the curvature of space time.

    sorry, buddy there's no such thing as a flux capacitor.

  13. They are making it too complicated. by macdaddy357 · · Score: 4, Funny

    To observe time warping, they will launch a probe into space with balls in vacuum flasks frozen to near absolute zero 400 miles above the earth. They are making it hard. There is really nothing to time warping.
    It's just a jump to the left
    And then a step to the right
    Put your hands on your hips
    And bring your knees in tight
    And it's the pelvic thrust that really makes you insane
    Let's do the time warp again!
    Let's do the time warp again!

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  14. Delay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Don't worry,

    time is relative...

  15. Laws of physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    mean who knew there'd be any practical applications of figuring out the laws of physics?

    You can not change the laws of physics
    laws of physics
    laws of physics
    You can not change the laws of physics
    Laws of physics Jim!

  16. Re:Experiment be wrong ? by hikerhat · · Score: 2, Funny
    Data never lies, except when viewed through a human bias.

    Well, if data is accumulated in the woods, and no one is around to interpret it, is it still data?

  17. Obligatory Limerick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    There once was a lady named bright
    Who travelled much faster than light
    She set out one day
    In a relative way
    And returned on the previous night

    1. Re:Obligatory Limerick by detritus` · · Score: 2, Funny

      To her friends said the Bright one in chatter,
      "I have learned something new about matter:
      My speed was so great,
      Much increased was my weight,
      Yet I failed to become any fatter!"

      Hehe, this was written by A.H. Reginald Buller, who's building on the University of Manitoba campus i've slaved away many many hours in... The funny thing is this limeric was written by a Biologist who specialized in Fungi

    2. Re:Obligatory Limerick by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 2, Funny

      The funny thing is this limeric was written by a Biologist who specialized in Fungi

      Obviously the glow-in-the-dark "special magic" variety.

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  18. Re:Faster than light ships? by otis+wildflower · · Score: 5, Funny

    Unfortunately, black holes are sparse in this neck of the woods

    _UN_fortunately?

  19. Msg to NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    try:
    --version
    on the command line this usually tells you what version of the software is running.
    HTH.
  20. NASA Budget Cuts by Sowbug · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ground controllers could not verify the rocket had all its correct flight software loaded, and halted the launch.

    I bet they're wishing now they'd kept the About box in the spec.

  21. Re:verification by cy_a253 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Imagine a warp bubble rendering the contents essentially massless, thus the input energy for kinetic motion is miniscule enabling fantastic speeds.

    Oh, the theory for that has already been worked out. Now we only need dilithium crystals!

    http://www.lcarscom.net/fsd/operations/warp.html

  22. Is your name... by MachDelta · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...John Titor, by chance?

    1. Re:Is your name... by morganjharvey · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...John Titor, by chance?

      Yup, that's me.
      Oh, by the way, next week isn't going to be too good for you. Think twice before eating that fish you have in the fridge. ;)

  23. Re:Faster than light ships? by SkOink · · Score: 5, Funny

    > > Unfortunately, black holes are sparse in this neck of the woods
    > _UN_fortunately?


    Well, in most necks of the woods they're actually rather dense. :)

    HOO-ha!

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  24. COME ON!!! by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 2, Funny

    The man's been dead for decades and now someone wants to "probe" him? What kind of sick world are we... errr... ohh... (hahaha)... oh, you mean a SPACE probe. [shuffles offscreen] ;p

  25. Re:how does frame dragging relate to warp speed? by iamhassi · · Score: 3, Funny
    "I don't know shit, but I expect they're probably talking about something like the Alcubierre warp drive."

    you may not know shit, but you sure know your Alcubierre warp drives.

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  26. They didn't follow the rules: by Alien54 · · Score: 5, Funny
    The forgot to follow these rules

    Where to Publish Your Paper

    1. If you understand it and can prove it, then send it to a journal of mathematics.
    2. If you understand it, but can't prove it, then send it to a physics journal.
    3. If you can't understand it, but can prove it, then send it to an economics journal.
    4. If you can neither understand it nor prove it, then send it to a psychology journal.
    5. If it attempts to make something important out of something trivial, then send it to a journal of education.
    6. If it attempts to make something trivial out of some-thing important, send it to a journal of metaphysics.
    I'm sure folks can add a few items suitable to this conversation and Slashdot.
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    1. Re:They didn't follow the rules: by richie2000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      7. If it is old news for geeks or stuff that doesn't matter, send it to Slashdot.
      8. If it is old news for geeks or stuff that doesn't matter, send it to Slashdot. Again.
      9. ???
      10. Profit!!!

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    2. Re:They didn't follow the rules: by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you can't understand it and can't prove it, but you can build it and sell it, then patent it.

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  27. The only good result is a dead result. by dexter+riley · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, I think you mean:

    1) Bad result, but your graduate advisor yells at you. This is not a successful experiment.

    2) Good result, but your graduate advisor takes the credit for it. Your advisor might consider this a successful experiment, but then he also calls you his "lab bitch" at faculty luncheons. Call it a draw.

    3) Good result, but you will be unable to reproduce it ever again. Like the fabled WOW! event in radio astronomy, this tantalizing glimpse of success will haunt you through your waking hours, spent alternately drinking and working as an assistant manager at Radio Shack.

    4) Bad result, but your graduate advisor is "accidentally" vaporized in the process. Although not strictly a successful experiment, you hear no complaints from your fellow grad students, the surviving faculty members, or the long-suffering department secretary as you are lead to the police car, leaving your former lab (and former career in academia) in glorious, if somewhat radioactive, flames.

    Hope this helps!

  28. I would say that it's a little late by cardshark2001 · · Score: 2, Funny

    to probe Einstein, even if you're a necro, and that's just gross.

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  29. Gravity Comparative Programming Languages by B2K3 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ken Thomposn built Gravity B as a constrained version of Gravity BCPL. Once K&R got their hands on the technology and added a type system, they were ready to launch Gravity C. Gravity C++ soon followed in an attempt to incorporate Quantum Mechanics.

    A perfect SuperString implementation has yet to be added to the language, although many incompatable approximations exist.

    As we know from recent /. articles, there is much talk about Gravity D; hopefully it will have some nice black-hole garbage collection.

  30. Re:Faster than light ships? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Us humans? What are you, a vulcan?

  31. Einstein 'Probe' Delayed by MidoriKid · · Score: 2, Funny

    Einstein breathes a sigh of relief as the box of rubber gloves is placed back into the drawer.