New Darth Vader Costume Revealed in upcoming DVDs

Um, this is a story? by rbanzai · 2004-04-20 02:47 · Score: 5, Insightful

So eventually we will see what this story is talking about? Why don't we post the story when that actually happens?

wait wait wait by The+Other+White+Boy · 2004-04-20 02:49 · Score: 2, Insightful

..new Vader suit?

*pre-emptive frowny face*

Re:wait wait wait by G-funk · 2004-04-20 03:06 · Score: 4, Insightful

He announced that yonks ago... Like it was needed... New vader suit == twice as many vader toys to sell.

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Just one question? by ageoffri · 2004-04-20 02:51 · Score: 5, Insightful

Does Han Solo shoot first? If not then I will NOT even think about buying the DVD's. I can't stand revisionism especially when it is to make something more PC!

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Re:Just one question? by pkey · 2004-04-20 03:06 · Score: 5, Insightful

In the original version of the Cantina scene, Han shoots Greedo under the table before Greedo shoots at him. In the ruined version of the Cantina scene, Greedo, an experienced bounty hunter shoots first and misses from all of 3 feet away. This was apparently done to make the scene more PC and not have a "hero" doing something underhanded, never mind the fact that the "hero" is supposed to be a smuggler and a scoundrel.
Re:Just one question? by WCityMike · 2004-04-20 03:09 · Score: 5, Insightful

"Does Han Solo shoot first? If not then I will NOT even think about buying the DVD's."

So you'll only think about buying the DVDs if he DOES shoot first? I'm not a moderator, but your comment makes no sense!

Most Star Wars fans know what I'm about to say -- it's not a particularly esoteric piece of knowledge: in the original trilogy, Han Solo shot first. Lucas altered this in the Special Edition so that Greedo shot first, because he felt that the original version made Han too "cold-blooded." Obligatory Google searches here and here.

Many Star Wars fans, including the poster to whom you responded, dislike Lucas' altering of Solo's actions, because they feel it came from a place of political correctness, wanting to make Solo less of an anti-hero and more of a hero.
Re:Just one question? by Jahf · 2004-04-20 04:03 · Score: 5, Insightful

From the point of plot, I say yes.

Ok so let us magnify the scale here just a bit and see if the point becomes evident:

If Hamlet had killed Rosencrantz and Guildenstern after they had made an attack on him, rather than killing them because he knew that someone (Claudius) had told them to kill him then Hamlet would have been the righteous hero who prevailed in an upfront manner and there would have been no questions about it.

Instead he killed them through trickery and without -direct- evidence of their plans. Doing so made him the dark hero who was able to strike first when in jeopardy and left questions going long afterwards about whether he was "right" or whether he was presumptuous.

If you've seen the play (or Star Wars) more than once, then your questions are answered at the end. But for the first time viewer it lets you question for awhile the real motives behind the protagonist (and let's face it, Solo was at LEAST as much of a protagonist as Skywalker if you use the definition of change as the bases for a protagonist). It gives a much darker sheen to the movie.

It is specifically that darkness in the first three movies that have been obliterated so far in ep1 and ep2. There is no questioning of loyalties ... we KNOW who the bad guys are and who the good guys have been up through ep2. There is no "grey side" so far unless you count adolescent puberty ... which seems funny but is really sad because it shows that Lucas has, if not sold out, at least decided that his audience can't handle moral questions. Or theological ones ... midichlorians [sp?]? Bah. I am perfectly capable of deciding that Solo (or Hamlet) are in the end "good guys" without forcing them into the mold of the prototypical hero.

Do I equate Lucas and Shakespeare? No. But Star Wars has probably had a much more profound affect on most people today than Hamlet and if you disregard the endings of the 2 characters (actually you shouldn't, since all of Lucas' characters seem to get just deserts at the end except for Anakin's mother and a few extras ... he can't handle true tragedy) the situations are -very- similar.

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Neato! by Safety+Cap · 2004-04-20 02:51 · Score: 4, Insightful

We can buy the Box Set of the originals (4-6), then in a few years we can buy 1-3, and THEN we can buy them all again (master set 1-6, plus bonus-never-before-seen-scenes!).

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The Movie Is Still Gonna Suck by MS_leases_my_soul · 2004-04-20 02:52 · Score: 2, Insightful

There is just no way Lucas can direct this movie and not have it suck. All the fancy new costumes and special effects is not going to change that (and arguably will make it worse).

Whatever. We all know we are still going to bittorrent it and yet still go to see the big fight on the big screen.

Re:Trolling.....down the sewers of the strand with by theM_xl · 2004-04-20 02:54 · Score: 3, Insightful

Whatever happened to Star Trek?

*remembers Voyager, Insurrection and Nemesis*

Do you really want me to answer that?

I want to see the costume by Stavr0 · 2004-04-20 02:56 · Score: 3, Insightful

Right. Now.

I got good karma, so I'm gonna make this an annoying rant. What's the point of submitting a story for every damn little detail about ep III? What's next? A series of insightful articles on Sen. Padme hairdos? PUH-LEEZE.

Ok mods. Do your worst.

costumes by theMerovingian · 2004-04-20 02:58 · Score: 2, Insightful

Reminds me of the big controversy over nipples on the bat suit.

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don't tell me by fleener · 2004-04-20 03:14 · Score: 5, Insightful

If Lucas shows us a Vader suit in Episode 3 that we haven't seen before, then we must assume the lame Episode 4 suit was an upgrade. This "new" suit had better be a clunky piece o' crap, for the sake of continuity.

Re:don't tell me by el-spectre · 2004-04-20 06:43 · Score: 2, Insightful

Maybe not, though. (dear god I'm discussing SW fashion. sigh).

Theoretically the empire is going downhill over time, so it makes sense that the equipment circa episode 4 is pretty beat up. Nonetheless, vader is the 2nd in charge of the whole deal, so one would assume that he's going to be taken care of. In the real world, many dictators have gold plated houses while their citizens starve. could be the same here.

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Re:don't tell me by GPB · 2004-04-20 09:35 · Score: 2, Insightful

If Lucas shows us a Vader suit in Episode 3 that we haven't seen before, then we must assume the lame Episode 4 suit was an upgrade. This "new" suit had better be a clunky piece o' crap, for the sake of continuity.
Just like they made the ship in Star Trek: Enterprise look less sophisticated than the ship in the original series...oh wait.
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I'll Just Wait, Thank You by hal2814 · 2004-04-20 03:15 · Score: 1, Insightful

Does Lucas think giving us a sneak peek of Vader's new threads will get us to go out and buy the DVD set? I'll just wait until the day after the DVD is released and find one of the many pics that will be plastered all over the Web. Or better yet, I'll just wait until the movie comes out and see the costume there. Of course, I'll probably see it on one of the movie theater patrons before I actually get into the theater.

The only thing that will get me to go out and buy the DVD set is to include the non-Special Edition versions of the movies (preferably the THX ones), but I think others have already done a very good job of making Lucas aware of my complaint.

Re:Fashion in Sci Fi by Mateito · 2004-04-20 03:27 · Score: 2, Insightful

> I was ok with the fashion of the princess in the first one and
> some claimed it was the only redeeming feature,

The only redeeming feature in the second one is that Natalie Portman didn't wear a bra most of the time.

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Let's just blow Empire Strikes Back, mmmkay? by the_skywise · 2004-04-20 03:33 · Score: 4, Insightful

If Lucas reveals that Anakin is Darth Vader in Episode 3, then there is *NO* suprise that Vader is Luke's father in Empire Strikes Back.

"Luke... *I* am your father"
"Yeah Dad, I saw that back in Episode 3"

I can only hope that Lucas has Anakin fall into the lava pit in one scene and then this new figure, Darth Vader mysteriously appears at the end of Episode 3. But no, Lucas has already said "We're going to get to see Anakin put the helmet on."

Which means the CORRECT viewing order for future generations of Star Wars fans MUST be... 4, 5, 6, and then 1,2 and 3. NOT in chronological order.

Or in the words of Comic-book guy... "Worst continuity, Ever!"

Lucasfilms purchases OSDN by Kakurenbo+Shogun · 2004-04-20 03:36 · Score: 4, Insightful

Lucasfilms and OSDN have just iced a deal that will give Lucasfilms majority ownership of all OSDN properties and full editorial control over Slashdot.

How else can you explain Slashdot participating in hyping a new Darth Vader costume by linking to a news story that doesn't have a picture of it? Come on guys! Don't waste my time posting the story till they're showing us a photo!

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Does Han still shoot first? by Khan · 2004-04-20 03:40 · Score: 2, Insightful

I know it sounds silly, but it's the only thing that will keep me from buying this. Why, you ask? Think about the trilogy and specifically the characters that start off as scum and end up heroes.

Han...smuggler, liar, overall questionable. Guido comes to "take him out" and what does he do? Shoots first. Kill or be killed. Runs away from the fight but then comes back after he realizes it's the right thing to do.

Lando...scum like Han. Betrays his friend to the Empire. Comes to the rescue at the end and helps rescue Han in "Jedi".

Vader...nothing needs to be said here about his character. Turns on the Emperor after he realizes that his life has all been wrong.

What do all these characters have in common? Redemption. They all start off "bad" and end up "good". And that is why I feel that changing that scene ruins Han's character development.

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Re:Funny by RickHunter · 2004-04-20 04:06 · Score: 2, Insightful

What's really amazing is that the Clone Wars animated shorts are better than the last two movies. There's no particular reason - they just feel more like the Star Wars we're used to. And there's definitely "Who's gonna fly it?" lines. Hell, ANAKIN gets a couple. (Like the sequence where he's zipping back and forth dogfighting with that Sith chick over Obi-Wan's head while Obi-wan lectures at him)

No. by Inoshiro · 2004-04-20 04:42 · Score: 3, Insightful

The shock goes from the audience not knowing (which wasn't really a shocker since the early 1980s anyways, since everyone knows), to Luke having to come to terms with the fact that his father is the man responsible for destroying Alderaan in episode 4, and also responsible for a great many other evils.

This coming to terms with how twisted Vader is and how close they are together is a major turning point for Skywalker's character.

But I'm sure you just want to nitpick and whine more.

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Re:It could be cool by slycer9 · 2004-04-20 07:26 · Score: 2, Insightful

The fact that you specified that it's his 'unused' concept art that kicks ass worries me a bit.

'Oh, what you see in the movies from this guy kinda sucks...but you should SEE what they reject!'

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