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Slashback: Documentary, Directory, FUD

Slashback tonight brings some updates and clarifications to previous stories, including news of the successful production of both a BBS documentary and an open-source directory. Read on for more!

I goof, therefore I am sorry. Many readers submitted rebuttals to the claim I repeated that an Israeli web portal was the first to give users 1GB email accounts; Protein Shake, for one, writes that Spymac has them beat. "Forget Google, forget Israel's web portal... 1 GB e-mail is already out there. At least a few weeks ago. From their site '1 GB e-mail account, 350 MB combined storage, personal blog, forum, gallery, auctions and more...'"

"And this was back when phone lines were just strings painted to resemble copper ..." Jason Scott writes "The BBS Documentary, announced on Slashdot nearly three years ago, has wrapped up filming. With over TWO HUNDRED interviews in the can, I've been spending a lot of my spare time (and not-so-spare time) editing, but I decided to put out the first of what will likely be a few trailers for it. Stop by and check out how I've spent the last few years. The Documentary will be released as a 3-DVD set later this year."

It's like Who's Who, only different. Another gargantuan effort completed on a different front: Tony Stanco writes with word that "The 910-page Open Source Reference Book is available for download."

The project was announced just over a year ago; considering the contents that's not a bad turnaround.

It's nearly enough to make one cynical. Alex Wolfe writes "In a move worthy of the Luddites, the New York City Council is quietly trying to ban the Segway . The Council has proposed a law that's technically a ban on motorized scooters, but Harris Siliver, founder of Citystreets, an urban improvement organization, says the NYC Department of Transportation is specifically targeting the electric, non-polluting Segway. Silver is joined in his opposition to the bill by Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak."

Get out much? If you just can't get enough random flamebait, here's a small fix to follow the anti-Linux FUD spread earlier this month by Green Hills CEO Dan O'Dowd. InfoSec writes "This morning's Security Focus page had an article about Consumer Grade *nix. The writer of the article slams Linux for not having free automated updates, enabling services in default installations, and not warning users when they are using 'root'. Uhmm, I could be wrong, but hasn't Mandrake been doing that for quite some time?"

apt-get update seems to count as free updates to me (though those folks do take donations), and root-use warnings may not be perfectly applied, but they are found in various forms (depending on distro) at OS, WM, and application levels, including notices that certain tasks can only be run as root or other superuser. (I think it's Xchat that calls me "an idiot" when I've tried to run it as root.)

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  1. Funny. by Neil+Blender · · Score: 4, Funny

    I read that headline and thought: Michael Moore.

    1. Re:Funny. by 6Yankee · · Score: 4, Funny

      Funny. (Score:4, Funny)

      Ah, this is the secret. I really must stop using Flamebait, Overrated and Troll as subjects!

    2. Re:Funny. by Neil+Blender · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ah, this is the secret. I really must stop using Flamebait...Troll as subjects!

      No, those are best used in the first sentence your post. As in, "This will probably get modded flamebait, but..." or "I'm not trying to troll here but..."

  2. 1GB Email Portal Goof by Liselle · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Many readers submitted rebuttals to the claim I repeated that an Israeli web portal was the first to give users 1GB email accounts;
    ...and as mentioned in another article, if the "on-duty" editor would listen to the subscribers occasionally, someone would have known before it went live. Oops! :D
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  3. "non-poluting segway" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    non-poluting segway

    Generating electricity still causes pollution, it just causes a lot less polution than a car.

    1. Re:"non-poluting segway" by JohnTheFisherman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Depends on how you generate it - you've merely passed the buck.

      I doubt the ban on Segways has anything to do with being Luddites. Those things take up at least 2-3x as much ground space as a person. The sidewalks can often be packed in NYC, and the street is full of cars. There's nowhere for Segways to go when it's busy, other than "on everybody else's feet."

      I think when Steve Jobs said that it would change the way we build cities, he was right. We HAVE to change the way we buld cities because it won't fit in any current cities. We'd need extra lanes to handle the traffic.

    2. Re:"non-poluting segway" by t_allardyce · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think when Steve Jobs said that it would change the way we build cities, he was right. We HAVE to change the way we buld cities because it won't fit in any current cities. We'd need extra lanes to handle the traffic.

      Nah, i dont want to sound flamebaiting and trolling but really, maybe we should just not change the way we build cities and instead just forget about this fad, im sure it could find a niche market in the circus and maybe as a novelty for tourists to rent, but really, as a revolutionary transportation device? its crap! And if i see one on the road i will try and run it over.

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    3. Re:"non-poluting segway" by kiltedtaco · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you ever been to any town in Europe? They've all had the same narrow streets for centuries, literaly.

      I'm not rebuilding my city just to accomedate a segway.

    4. Re:"non-poluting segway" by blamanj · · Score: 3, Informative

      Note that NYC is behind San Francisco, which has banned them already.

    5. Re:"non-poluting segway" by bottlebrushtree · · Score: 4, Informative

      The ban was thanks to the work of Walk San Francisco, San Francisco's Pedestrian Advocacy Group.

      WalkSF.org

      The sidewalks are no place for a vehicle that goes as fast as a Segway. This means Bikes also.

      For more information on why WalkSF helped get this law enacted check out

      Walk SF's Segway Page

    6. Re:"non-poluting segway" by lawpoop · · Score: 4, Informative
      How many European towns have you been to? A lot of them have been retrofitted to accomodate cars, bikes, trains, buses, trams, trollies, etc.

      I think existing bike pathways, which you will find in a lot of European cities, will easily handle segway traffic.

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    7. Re:"non-poluting segway" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You could say the same thing about a bicycle. The way people think is essentially what it comes down to. Which means people who feel safer in their mobile forts (when they're not) and paranoid fools who think someone is going to intentionally run over their toes (when they won't) just need some reprogramming ;)

    8. Re:"non-poluting segway" by t_allardyce · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No a bicycle is a 200 year old device that uses the laws of physics to remain naturally stable in motion and the laws of 'your foot' to remain naturally stable when stopped, it can travel at a range of useful speeds, requires no fuel and apart from pissing off drivers it can pretty much get around most cities without a big re-design, although a bicycle lane is an advantage. What will happen is we will get to the stage where there will be a normal lane, a fire lane, a bus lane, a bicycle lane, a segway lane (because they are too slow to go with bikes) and a "2 wheeled computer balanced transportation device that is not allowed to use the name segway for copyright reasons" lane, is this really what you want??

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    9. Re:"non-poluting segway" by crucini · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree. What is the connection between being a "geek" and rooting for the Segway? There are things about geekhood I don't understand. Why assume that New York is "luddite" for wanting to ban this nuisance? Of course they should ban it. It's a motor vehicle that wants to run on the crowded sidewalks. The last thing Americans need is a way to avoid walking.

      However in more suburban areas it could fill a legitimate niche.

    10. Re:"non-poluting segway" by LauraScudder · · Score: 2, Informative

      Most of the narrow streets are now pedestrian zones, and as the sibling post pointed out, the streets outside the old town all have bikelanes, sidewalks, and even clicking cross-walk buttons for the blind. I never saw so many blind people in my life as when I was in Germany, and I think its entirely because its so much easier for them to get out alone there.

    11. Re:"non-poluting segway" by Bigman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As someone who cycles to work (almost) every day, I'd not be too pleased to find the cycle lanes (such as they are) blocked by yuppies on wheels. To cycle long(ish) distances effectively you need to keep a constant speed - it's bad enough dodging potholes and motorists who think that because you have no engine you can stop instantaneously to avoid them.
      Having said that, Segways are cool technology, and for those with the brass balls to do so can travel fast enough to cause minimal problems to cyclists, it's just on the rare occasions I've seen them in use here (in the UK) people have been beetling along at snails-pace. It's a shame that they're so expensive. Of course, you could always build your own. That is, until Segway's lawyers get to you and take your house...

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  4. Trailers in wma and quicktime?? by deathguppie · · Score: 4, Funny

    so the trailers for The open source documentary are in a closed format???

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    1. Re:Trailers in wma and quicktime?? by Fancia · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think you've confused yourself a bit. The documentary is about BBSs, not open-source. The open-source thing was the directory.

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  5. SUSE by Anthony+Boyd · · Score: 5, Informative
    The writer of the article slams Linux for not having free automated updates, enabling services in default installations, and not warning users when they are using 'root'.

    SUSE gives me free updates via YAST, comes with all services disabled in the "minimal graphical install" default that I use (well, networkable services are not enabled, but things like cron are), and when I log in via root, the desktop is a red graphic with a pattern of large bombs all over it. Sound fairly perfect to me. The only other thing would be a warning at the command line for a non-GUI root login, and in fact I sorta get that, because the default for the root shell prompt is different.

    1. Re:SUSE by Telex4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is there any GNU/Linux distribution worth it's salt that doesn't provide some automated upgrade system, other than those that target the kind of geek who would be doing it themselves anyway?

      And given that, on my parents' machine for example, they don't even have root in the list of users when they login, I'm not sure how they'd ever be running anything as root anyway.

      There has to be a fairly small set of people manually doing security updates, and who are ever running things as root without realising it.

      Telex4 goes back to feeding the ducks... less demanding than Windows trolls

  6. 1 Gb is possible right now by Carlos+Silva · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't know if everyone around here knows.. but if you create a Blogger account you can be one of the lucky ones to try out Gmail beta, even if you have some kind of problem in using it (tinfoil hat crowd :) it's always a Good Thing to try it out...
    Until now.. it has been pretty good.. at least for me..

    1. Re:1 Gb is possible right now by Carlos+Silva · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think the more active your account is (number of posts?) the more chances you have.
      When you're selected they show a pretty invitation when you login :)

  7. Spymac 1GB email is not so desirable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think Spymac's 1GB email came right after Google's announcement. The thing is, I honestly don't want to tell people, "email me at blah blah @ spymac.com." It seems I might be misconstrued as an Apple zealot (well technically I am a zealot, but I try not to project it onto people in a way that pisses them off). I have a mac.com address, but spymac.com just doesn't sound business-like.

    reeddavid.com

  8. Talking Penguin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe linux should come with a talking penguin that pops up and offers suggestions:

    "It looks like you're trying to delete a file. Would you like to free up more disk space?"

    "You are running as root. Running as root can be bad for your computer. Would you like to change users?"

    1. Re:Talking Penguin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "You are running an operating system that is developed and maintained by lazy, smelly hippies and 15-year old l33t dudes. Would you like to delete your Linux partition and install a real OS?"

    2. Re:Talking Penguin by ThomaMelas · · Score: 5, Funny

      Can we keep the BSD promotions to a minamum please? ;)

    3. Re:Talking Penguin by Carlos+Silva · · Score: 3, Funny

      Real ? They make OS's?!?!
      Poor fella..

    4. Re:Talking Penguin by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 4, Funny
      #/etc: ls -l
      This directory contains files that are essential to system operation (your p0rn should be stored elsewhere).

      Select Show Files or Cancel
  9. Sidewalk Utilization Quotas by persaud · · Score: 2, Funny

    No need to single out Segway. Limit the square footage of sidewalk that can be used by single humans during rush hour.

    This will allow use when the sidewalk is empty (which can yield a registration fee that goes towards sidewalk maintenance).

    For rush hour, a square footage quota will incent R&D for the scooter-pooling version of Segway.

  10. Shells would be so much better by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Funny

    not warning users when they are using 'root'.

    admin@local host #su
    Password:

    WARNING YOU ARE NOW ROOT!

    #adduser fred

    WARNING YOU ARE ROOT, ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS? (Y/N) Y

    #passwd fred

    WARNING YOU ARE ROOT, ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS? (Y/N) Y

    Changing password for user fred.
    New password:

    1. Re:Shells would be so much better by petabyte · · Score: 5, Funny

      Honestly, I've always seen the octothorpe as plenty of warning that you could be breaking everything you're touching. Thats why I don't play tic-tack-toe.

    2. Re:Shells would be so much better by Trogre · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or just put a red stripe along row 0 of the terminal with "WARNING: Logged in as root" in bright yellow lettering.

      You know, like when Java applets pop up windows that need user input.

      It wouldn't break any existing tools, and IMHO it wouldn't be too much of an inconvenience, only your console would be 1 row shorter.

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    3. Re:Shells would be so much better by AndroidCat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, they should have very obvious warnings when you are root/administrator just like Windows does. Er, how does Windows do that exactly?

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    4. Re:Shells would be so much better by persaud · · Score: 5, Informative
      Color coded prompt:

      /etc/bashrc:

      C_RED="\[\033[0;31m\]"
      C_GREEN="\ [\033[0;32m\]"
      C_LIGHT_GRAY="\[\033[0;37m\]"
      C_R ESET="\[\033[0m\]"
      PS1="\n$C_GREEN//\h$C_LIGHT_GR AY.\u $C_RESET\w> "

      /root/.bashrc:

      PS1="\n$C_GREEN//\h$C_RED.\ u $C_RESET\w> "
    5. Re:Shells would be so much better by RollingThunder · · Score: 3, Funny

      Simple - you're logged in. ;)

      I do agree that some warning is a good idea for novices, which is why I like the standard Mandrake root setup - log in via GUI and you have a glaring red background.

    6. Re:Shells would be so much better by TheSpoom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can't login as root, or SYSTEM, in Windows unless you change a Group Policy setting, I believe. Of course, you can do practically anything as an Administrator anyway. And new version of Windows XP actually try to hide the Administrator user, making it so that by default you can only login as the Administrator user account by going into Safe Mode. Not sure if there are any things that Administrator can do that regular user members of the Administrator group can't, but meh, I like to play the Devil's Advocate every now and again ;^)

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    7. Re:Shells would be so much better by persaud · · Score: 2, Informative
      Color is good :-) Here are the others (cut spaces):
      C_BROWN="\[\033[0;33m\]"
      C_BLUE="\[\033[0;34m\]"
      C_PURPLE="\[\033[0;35m\]"
      C_CYAN="\[\033[0;36m\] "
      C_GRAY="\[\033[1;30m\]"
      C_WHITE="\[\033[1;37m\ ]"
      C_YELLOW="\[\033[1;33m\]"

      C_LIGHT_BLUE="\[\ 033[1;34m\]"
      C_LIGHT_CYAN="\[\033[1;36m\]"
      C_LIG HT_PURPLE="\[\033[1;35m\]"
      C_LIGHT_RED="\[\033[1; 31m\]"
      C_LIGHT_GREEN="\[\033[1;32m\]"
  11. "spy" in the name.... by zogger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... IS sort of put-offish what with security concerns, etc. I got as far as the huge sign in questionnaire, that and having to run script told me to not follow through with an account there.

    I'd like to try google's, especially if they had created a huge wall of spam-be-not around their service. Coolguys and non spammers inside, everyone else outside. Google is big enough to pull off a system like that, and has the smarts to make it work.

  12. If you speak Russian by prostoalex · · Score: 4, Informative

    Doesn't matter much for most of the Slashdotters, but if you happen to read Russian (or always wanted to learn that language), Yandex Mail, which is part of Yandex, Russia's largest Web portal and search engine, announced unlimited mail storage space with maximum letter size of 10 MB and unlimited attachments (as long as the message with all the attaches stays below 10 MB).

    Basically, they will just keep buying more hard drives as you grow your message store.

    1. Re:If you speak Russian by agrippa_cash · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sure that's true now, but I heard in Soviet Russia unlimited email attaches you. I'm sorry, I'm so very, very sorry.

    2. Re:If you speak Russian by Kaa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So did Mail.ru.

      That's already TWO Russian webmail providers which offer unlimited email storage... Take that, Yankee imperialists! :-)

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  13. Odd mail providers by Telex4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would rather get an e-mail address that I can be sure I'll still have in five years time. When I first migrated from web-based mail to a POP3 service, I went through about three providers until I hit on one (GMX) that was stable, but then they stopped translating the pages into English, and after a year of guessing how to use the spam tools in German, I got fed up.

    Now I just have my own egomaniacal domain name, and no matter what happens, short of a change in the domain name system, I'm guaranteed I can keep my e-mail and web addresses.

    I could trust Yahoo! or Google, but it's an unfortunate fact of the lovely web that, when it comes to something like e-mail, with someone like Spymac I'd always be waiting for them to close shop, or charge some silly fee, or relocate to Uganda and only run their web site in a few obscure tribal dialects.

  14. Biased wibbles... by dj245 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...but Harris Siliver, founder of Citystreets, an urban improvement organization, says the NYC Department of Transportation is specifically targeting the electric, non-polluting Segway. Silver is joined in his opposition to the bill by Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak."

    Maybe that could have read "...but Harris Siliver, founder of Citystreets, an urban improvement organization, says the NYC Department of Transportation is specifically targeting the electric scooter that uses an unconventional method of control and is much faster than pedestrians and frequently piloted by speed demons. Silver is joined in his opposition to the bill by Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak."

    I'm all for ways to get rid of cars and pollution. But these scooters travel at a good speed, much faster than pedestrians. They have separate lanes for bikes, or they make bikes ride in the street. They do this because biking amongst pedestrians is often dangerous at high speeds. Doesn't it make sense that segwaying at high speeds among pedestrians is dangerous too? I'm not saying ban the segway. But getting it off the sidewalk is probably not a bad thing. Sidewalks are for people. Bike lanes are for bikes. Where does the segway go? The bike lanes? The street? I don't know, but I would be scared every time a scooter bore down on me with a person on it at 12MPH. As Marty McFly Jr. said, "Hey, I'm walking here!"

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    1. Re:Biased wibbles... by DoubleD · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Why not simply issue tickets for unsafe movement on a sidewalk. Do we really need laws banning forms of transportation that can be used responsibly and safely?

      Regulate the behavior not the device (kind of like the general slashdot opinion of DeCSS).

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    2. Re:Biased wibbles... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So if I ride my car on the sidewalk when there is no one there that should be fine? Pedestrians and wheelchairs are the only things that ever belong on the sidewalk. There is no such thing as a safe segway on the sidewalk. If they want to press their luck with the cabs like those nutso bike messengers do then it is their karma.

  15. OSS Reference: add your gov-relevant project by persaud · · Score: 5, Informative

    For submitting a new listing (free) for the next edition of the book, go here.

  16. WOW! by agslashdot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is such an awe-inspiring effort. Logging 200 hours of footage over 3 years...I can imagine the amount of dedication, effort, logistics & scheduling that went into making this possible.
    Hats off to you!

    I'm into my 4th month of filmmaking right now. Logged 20+ hours so far, a dozen interviews under my belt, lots of travel, caffeine, sleepless nights...and I've barely begun. By the time I hope to be finished, I hope to have about 50 hours of footage. Just sifting thru all that, deciding which segment will make the cut & which won't...gigantic effort. I can't even imagine what you're going thru, narrowing down 200 hours into 3 DVDs. I wish you luck & lots & lots of patience.

    There was this one documentary I watched recently - "Begging Naked" - that tracked this prostitute thru 7 yeas of her life. 7 years!!! In those 90 minutes of footage, you can practically see the person aging in front of you. The prostitute goes from being a young sexy hooker making pots of money in a Manhattan apartment to an old haggard woman living under a tree in Central Park out of a cardboard box. The person who made this film started filming in her 20s & is now in her 30s & the film still hasn't gotten a theatrical release. And she keeps plugging away. That's motivation for you!












    Project Outsourced - the film

    1. Re:WOW! by telstar · · Score: 4, Funny
      "This is such an awe-inspiring effort. Logging 200 hours of footage over 3 years...I can imagine the amount of dedication, effort, logistics & scheduling that went into making this possible.
      Hats off to you!"
      • Actually, the whole thing is just footage of a series of ANSI pictures and MUD sessions being downloaded over a 2400 baud modem while some 13 year old's mom periodically picks up the phone in the other room interrupting the feed.

  17. Tony Stanco - SELinux project leader? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    On the second page of the "Open Source Reference Book", which is introduced
    with the sentence "The Government Open Source Advisory Committee is a group of
    Open Source project leaders...", there is this line:


    "For the SELinux Chair Tony Stanco...... Tony@egovos.org"


    What does this mean?

  18. Turing Test by timotten · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...it's Xchat that calls me "an idiot" when I've tried to run it as root...

    It's nice to see that we finally have chatbots which pass the Turing test.

    1. Re:Turing Test by Alsee · · Score: 2, Funny

      You should see the foul language it spews when you try to run it under Windows.

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  19. Free, but not automatic by peacefinder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    [...] apt-get update seems to count as free updates to me [...]

    Sure, they're free, but they're not automatic. This may be spurious, hairsplitting FUD, but what the hell... let's get rid of it:

    In the default installation, have the installer create a tool to run the update from a random server chosen from a list of approved servers for the distro. Assign it to run at a random time, then repeat it weekly as a cron job called something obvious like weeklyupdate.

    Do this for all free *nix distros. Move on.

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    1. Re:Free, but not automatic by runderwo · · Score: 2, Informative
      Assign it to run at a random time, then repeat it weekly as a cron job called something obvious like weeklyupdate.
      How about something obvious like cron-apt?

    2. Re:Free, but not automatic by Nailer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Within the first two hours of a Fedora or RHEL install, the Red Hat Netowrk services daemon will contact a server and begin flashing a red exclamation mark in the notification area of the desktop if there are updates available. If a user clicks it, they'll get updates - either free ones from a Fedora mirror if they're using Fedora or paid ones from Red Hat Network if they've brought EL.

      This is default behavior.

  20. Don't know how they do it now.... by geomon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    but SuSE used to have a bright, red background with big, black bombs tiled all over the place while logged in as root in X.

    A little hard to miss that much blinding backcrap.

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  21. "Ship it now, fix it once it's sold" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is it a good business model? No, but Linux has no monopoly on it.

    That credo was invented by greedy, proprietary corporations.

    I used to post a sign over my desk which said "If you haven't the time to do it right the first time, how will you ever find the time to do it over?"

    It always pissed off the powers when they stopped by.

    1. Re:"Ship it now, fix it once it's sold" by Brandybuck · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That credo was invented by greedy, proprietary corporations.

      But also a useful strategy for other businesses as well. Your funding runs out in three days. It will take three weeks to fix that last remaining nasty bug. Do you:

      A) Fire all the employees and wistfully remark, "well, we tried"?

      B) Release the software with that bug in it, issue a 1.1 version later, and retain your employees?

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  22. Now... by zeruch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...while Linux still has it's hangups and limits (like every other OS), has anyone else noticed that arguments presented in selected media outlets has moved to ever more uninformed/poorly researched tripe? It was almost excusable a few years ago because the territory could be seen as arguable new or alien to the status quo at the time. But these days? That shit is just plain unprofessional and sloppy.

  23. Another anti-fud website by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Informative
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  24. Torrent Please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just because I wanted to relive some of the good old BBS days, doesn't mean I want to download the 14MB trailer at 9600 baud ;)

  25. warning: /. post is inaccurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "The writer of the article slams Linux for not having free automated updates"

    The article specifically talks about Lindows (Linspire), not Linux distros in general.

  26. Good Site by AmericanInKiev · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mod this guy - er bottle brush up.

    - I think the Segway has an important place - or rather I think that low-impact electric vehicles have an important place.

    Its hard to imagine mass transit solving the last mile effectively, and the segway (small electric etc . . . ) Is most certainly a better solution that hydrocarbon convertors.

    I salute Dean Kamens creative idea - and let's not forget or pretend that the segway is anything other than the logical extension of the electric wheelchair - perfect for restoring balance and erection (v jokes go here) to the handicapped - which you realize is Dean K stock in trade.

    Whether or not a medical device has broader application is a question of secondary importance. Some cities may find that they enhance the transportation mix, while others - already established as pedestrain friendly may feel the segway is a step backwards. I think the name suggest that it can be a means of broadening the availability of mass transit during the period of development.

    AIK

    1. Re:Good Site by evilviper · · Score: 2, Interesting
      - I think the Segway has an important place - or rather I think that low-impact electric vehicles have an important place.

      That's fine. Neighborhood electric vehicles have a place, but segways do not. Cars like the GEM have actual safety devices built-in, can be driven legally on the streets, and can be found as cheap as Segways. They also have more power, higher speed, etc.
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  27. nuts, auto is a bad idea. by twitter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Software should not be pushed for practical and philisophical reasons.

    The whole point of free software is user control. Free software is big enough for you and I to agree to dissagree about it, you do things your way and I'll do them mine.

    Here are some situations where you don't want auto updates:

    • Dial up connection
    • Unstable distro
    • Qualified systems

    The above constitutes a majority of installations. Most people still have dial up. Most people prefer the hottest software around. It is difficult to get upgrades over a modem unless you scale back to stable and only take what security.debian.org offers.

    How does Microsoft do the same thing, you might ask. Obviously, they don't.

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    1. Re:nuts, auto is a bad idea. by peacefinder · · Score: 2, Informative

      The whole point of free software is user control. Free software is big enough for you and I to agree to dissagree about it, you do things your way and I'll do them mine.

      Fair enough, but I'm talking about default behavior, not required behavior.

      Anyone running a development branch of anything can be assumed to know enough to disable the automatic updater. So can administrators of qualified systems. A new user of a free *nix cannot be assumed to know enough to get updates at all, so it seems to me it'd be right neighborly to help 'em out.

      The dialup problem is a good point, but easily addressed. Have the auto update tool check to see what sort of connection the machine has to the internet, and give the user a range of appropriate options for dealing with a slow connection. (Or, just mimic the Fedora method described here.)

      It'd be a relatively easy feature for many distros to add, it'd positively impact usability, and it'd demolish this particular FUD.

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  28. That's the Wintel press for you. by twitter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    has anyone else noticed that arguments presented in selected media outlets has moved to ever more uninformed/poorly researched tripe? ... That shit is just plain unprofessional and sloppy.

    That's true, but there are some very encouraging signs too.

    The problem is that some people are producing magazines that pretend to be news, but are really advertisements. These magazines will continue to ignore everything but their patron's wares and will always be clueless. They also continue to offer FUD to reassure clueless administrators their money was well spent. Microsoft planned to spend more than a billion dollars promoting XP and that kind of money feeds an entire ecosystem of shills and quacks. "Computer" magazines that don't cover free software but instead encourage you to purchase eXPensive junk are not worth reading.

    The good news is that reputable news outlets are catching on. They are specifying what OS and software are effected by what they used to call "computer viruses". Most have penetrated the SCO FUD machine and reported it for what it is. Microsoft can shake their advertising budget at them still, but reputable news sources are going to pick credibility over the wishes of an advertiser.

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  29. Donald Duck using open source? by farnerup · · Score: 5, Funny
    On page 179 of the open source directory is the Swedish company "Kalle Anka AB" of Ankeborg. Or in English: Donald Duck Inc. of Duckburg.

    Seems like a reliable source of information ...

  30. BBS documentary by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was one of the interviewees for Jason Scott's BBS documentary. One of the things that I think is going to be successfully communicated (otherwise I'm going to go find Jason and make him do three more DVD's) is that BBS's are not a thing of the past -- the community is alive and well, albeit changed a bit. The days of dialup are definitely over, but people are finding more and more that they need to connect with people. It's so much more satisfying (for those with an actual brain that functions, anyway) than mindlessly consuming the big corporations' attempts to move everything into CONSUME OUR CONTENT format.

    It's the reason people love 'blogs, it's the reason they love IRC, and it's the reason they love sites like mine (see sig) that still follow the traditional BBS format. In some ways it's even better now, with the ability to have lots of people on at once.

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  31. Re:Why not use GNU/webmail? by sumbry · · Score: 3, Informative

    BSD has a lot to learn from GNU/Linux regarding security. There have been less exploits found in the BSDs, but we all know that more eyes leads to a more secure product. And I really refuse to believe that most people do not hack the source code. Every mum and dad has dreams every night of helping to further the GNU/Linux cause. If they dont, then they are teh sux0r and are lusers.

    I honestly can't figure out if you're a troll, illinformated, or what... but nonetheless you really need to check out OpenBSD.

    Know why the BSD's have a pretty good track record? It's not because people aren't hacking it (BSDs use alot of the same software and thus have the same exploits that Linux does), but rather it's due in large part to OpenBSD and their line by line code security audit.

    Yup that's right, the OpenBSD guys audit all code before it's released, specifically looking for things like buffer exploits and the likes. When they're found, the results are shared w/the other BSDs and fixed.

  32. Better yet: be portable by goldfndr · · Score: 4, Interesting
    And what happens if you're using a terminal that doesn't handle escape sequences? Or different ones?

    Using the tput command, you can be portable and get great results every time!

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  33. Score;5, Funny)_________ by evilviper · · Score: 4, Funny

    You know something, that's an awful good idea!

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  34. Ran into a couple drunks on Segways in Orlando by rjamestaylor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On Friday the last day of the MySQL Users' Convention (not be be confused with the previous MySQL User's Conventions held in Monty's home, but I digress...) I walked across the street to the former FAO Schwartz-themed shopping mall and was mauled by a couple of guys touring on Segways amidst pedestrian traffic. Some kind of promotion company allowed people to ride a Segway (followed closely by a man riding a smaller, easier to manuver scooter, which is what I would have chosen, too, funnily enough) at tourists (Orlandoan's hate tourists). These guys were whooping it up about how drunk they were, barely avoiding the properly behaved British tourists all about. That's when I decided that the Segway really would require cities to be redesigned -- PRIOR to their mass adoptoin -- which has about as much chance as Darl McBride winning the Linus Torvalds Medal of Freedom.

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  35. Mandrake by Lars+T. · · Score: 2, Funny
    The writer of the article slams Linux for not having free automated updates, enabling services in default installations, and not warning users when they are using 'root'. Uhmm, I could be wrong, but hasn't Mandrake been doing that for quite some time?

    You forgot the "must not be French" clause ;-)

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  36. SpyMac is not that great by randomErr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I signed up for a SpyMac account when I read the post on the GMail story. Well here's my take on the service: SLOW and GLITCHY.

    I had to sign up 3 times before it would take my information.

    I've tried uploading my avatar for forums 7 times in 3 days and it still has yet to work. The same thing for selecting one of there a predefined picture.

    The e-mail page itself takes up 5 minutes to load.

    I sent a message from one of my accounts(www.2d.com) and it took 12 hours before it showed up in my inbox.

    This service seems more like a beta products then a production ready system. A couple of suggestions:
    -Cut back on the mac-esc graphics. They're killing your server.
    - Maybe turn your storage down to 100 megs until you can scale to meet the demands of what you have.
    - Give POP3/SMTP access to your system. See above 2 points.

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  37. Re:Uprise in commercial trolling? by TwistedSpring · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Except it doesn't. Not a standard system, and none of the distro's i've ever used ever had it. And if they did, it wouldn't properly update the stuff i'd compiled myself - so realistically, Linux can't have auto-updates unless they were entirely binary-only patches.

  38. It's Not Really the Segway by Royster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's actual motorized scooters with small, 2-stroke engines. On my walk from the train stration to the building, I pass three storefronts selling these things for around $100-300. If you look around you'll see

    The Segway is just getting caught in the crossfire and there probably some people who want to ban them as well, but the real problem is these scooters.

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