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VIA Announces Lead-Free Motherboard

linuxprox writes "VIA announced today that their AS-1210 motherboard will be the world's first lead-free motherboard. 'The transition to 'green' manufacturing for VIA has been very smooth and we have been able to ship lead-free processors and chipsets since the end of last year,' said Richard Brown, Vice President of Marketing, VIA Technologies, Inc. 'The AS-1210 clearly demonstrates the technology leadership of VIA and Yamashita in being the first to market with a lead-free motherboard that meets the requirements of the international market.'"

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  1. more to read by tedtimmons · · Score: 5, Informative
    I was trying to figure out what the lead was used for (traces, solder, and capacitors was my best bet). The following link from Intel is a press release, but contains a good overview of lead use:
    http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20 040407tech.htm

    And more from Intel:
    http://www.intel.com/research/silicon/leadfree.htm

    And more information from AMD:
    http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResou rces/0,,30_182_4040,00.html

    Disclosure: I don't work for, or own stock in AMD or Intel. I haven't purchased an Intel chip since the Pentium came out.

    -ted

  2. Dammit.. foiled.. by brxndxn · · Score: 5, Funny

    All my plans of turning worthless motherboards into precious pencils has failed!!

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  3. Green Computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    VIA Green Computing page

    It's too bad they don't do monitors. Those CRTs are the biggest source of lead in computers. Of course, I don't like electrons being shot at my face, so it's not all bad, but still. They are a pain to dispose of.

    Cross your fingers for affordable OLEDs. (fp?)

  4. Green? by Unnngh! · · Score: 5, Funny
    'The transition to 'green' manufacturing for VIA

    Aren't most Printed Circuit Boards already green?

    Ah, nevermind...

  5. New lead free motherboard... by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 5, Funny

    New lead free motherboard*

    *Supply your own solder.

  6. Whoopie! by SCSi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I can let my toddler chew on motherboards without worrying about that pesky lead!
    Thanks VIA!

  7. A nice start, but... by Mr.+Darl+McBride · · Score: 5, Informative
    This is really more of a touchy feel-good move than a substantive move in cutting back on the more dangerous parts of the motherboard.

    This doesn't do a thing about the lethal levels of sheel negceba that go through most boards, not to mention the chemicals used in most non-paper capacitors, which are not only lethal poisons, but as tasty as anti-freeze to most animals.

    Add to this the PCBs in the transformer that go with their power supply, and you've pretty much only addressed the fourth worst problem. The real problems have several orders of magnitude more impact on the environtment and worse -- solutions already exist to solve all three for prices only 5-10% higher than what they pay for existing chemicals!

    1. Re:A nice start, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Paper capacitors and PCBs ? Geez, we're not talking about ENIAC's motherboard here. :-)

      Capacitors on modern surface mount motherboards are either ceramic (aluminum oxide) with metal (silver, palladium, tin) layers or "dry" tantalum caps. The ones you're thinking of are probably the "wet" tantalum caps which were wetted with sulfuric acid, which is certainly unpleasant although I wouldn't call it a lethal poison.

      You won't find any PCBs in the power supply transformer, either. Except in some very specialized high voltage applications, they've been banned for at least 20 years.

      I have no idea what "sheel negceba" is.

      Most of the lead in the environment comes from depleted lead-acid batteries, but there's no practical alternatives to those yet so tin-lead solder gets promoted to the top of the list.

      The biggest concern with lead-free solders is the higher temperatures they require to make them melt. Since all of the components on the board are also subject to this higher temperature, there can be negative effects on reliability.

  8. "Lead" by TWX · · Score: 5, Funny

    For some reason I thought that all of the discrete components were going to be surface mount instead of through the board when I read that the board was "Lead free"...

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  9. you insensitive clod, by pangloss · · Score: 5, Funny

    my pre-1963 computer only takes leaded!

  10. No leads? by pyrrhonist · · Score: 5, Funny

    How do you connect peripherals? Oh wait...

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  11. Not because of our blue eyes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    They don't do this out of altruism, they have to if they want to sell their products on the EU market, since from 2006, all electronic products will have to be lead free.

  12. Lead by GaussianInteger · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, the earliest pencils WERE made from lead, until graphite was found to be a much better substititute. I wouldn't nitpick, but I think the above nitpicking gives me more than ample justification =). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead

  13. Re:Correct. by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Informative

    Per KwH.

    They also release a lot of heavy metals, so much so that warning about fish from lakes around most of the coal plants in East Texas have been issued due to their high levels of heavy metals.

  14. props by IggDawg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's cool that they're getting into the push for lead-free electronics. It's certainly not easy or cheap to validate lead-free components. I work in acoustic micro imaging, so I look at the insides of ICs, MEMS, and other electronics all day. we get a lot of work from companies doing moisture sensitivity level testing for lead vs. lead free parts. The lead free parts have to go through a hotter solder reflow profile, so any moisture will cause even more damage. The insides of most of the parts look like someone set a bomb off. it takes them a long while and many iterations before they can pull it off right.

    So, props to them for getting with it.

    disclaimer - I don't work for these guys, nor do I buy their products. I'm just a concerned scientist :P.

  15. Re:PC has met motherboards by another_henry · · Score: 5, Informative
    Actually solder is usually 40% lead, so it's not really a miniscule trace. I'd wager there really is quite a lot of it in motherboards and other circuit boards. I know that in the average CRT there's a kilogram or so, used to shield the user from xrays.

    I'm not qualified to say how this can be safely disposed of, or whether it really needs to, but an awful lot of old electronics do end up in public landfills and other locations where they could potentially leach(sp?) into groundwater. It's something worth considering when people are upgrading their electronics and computers annually.

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  16. Re:Correct. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Which is also stupid, because most of the "waste" that comes from nuclear plants is in the form of clothing, and other consumables not directly related to the operation of the reactor (but contaminated nonetheless).

    I had the opportunity to see some of the stuff that went into the big casques that go to Nevada. Pretty lame stuff. I was expecting 55 gallon barrels with glowing fluid coming out (not really, but it's more fun that way).

    Not only that, but 95% of the stuff produced (yes, produced) by our fission reactors can be recycled, and reused as fuel. The rest of the 5% is in such incredible demand from academia and industry (for research) that it could make a fortune alone. Except our country is too fucking stupid (and paranoid) to recycle spent fuel.

  17. Re:PC has met motherboards by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    political correctness has met the IT sector once again. For gosh sakes, what's the problem? I don't plan to eat my motherboard - you might argue "it's thrown away one day", but some miniscule trace of lead found in the solder isn't going to hurt anything - more goes into the environment when i lose a sinker fishing than when I throw away a dozen motherboards.

    There's a reason why my State banned the sale of lead sinkers. For gosh sakes, what's the problem with trying to be more environmentality friendly? If VIA can sell a lead-free motherboard that works well at a decent price and make a profit while doing so why is this political correctness? It's being a good corporate citizen. Why is this a bad thing?

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  18. Re:Green means.... by SideshowBob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What in the hell? Green does NOT mean living in a thatched hut eating berries. If 6 billion people reverted to hunter/gatherer the planet would be stripped bare in less than a year. No green wants that.

    For F's Sake people, use your brains and quit spouting propaganda at each other.

    Green means finding a technological solution to the fossil fuel problem (finite supply, source of pollutants). There is absolutely no reason to think that a hydrogen powered SUV is in any way a step backwards.

    Green means putting solar on your roof and becoming energy self sufficient. Maybe even sell surplus back to the grid. (yes I am aware of the pollutants that solar manufacturing potentially represents, however a) its localized and controllable, b) advances over time will lead to reductions in the pollutants, as scale of economy increases)

    Green means finding a technology solution to feeding our children without destroying the land that we grow it on (or perhaps you think that the Dust Bowl was good for our moral fiber?) The answer here is not patented genetically modified foods, which can't be seeded from the previous year's crop and require exorbitant licensing fees to biotech companies.

    Green means encouraging/funding zero population growth (i.e. replacement births). Yes this is "family planning". In most nations of the world family planning means just that, planning how many children to conceive - or rather how many NOT to conceive. But to bass ackward U.S. conservatives all they see is 'abortion' when they hear family planning. Sheesh.

    Green means smart progress, yet people like you spout your bullsh*t anytime you are confronted by the idea that change can be good. No no! Protect my comfortable status quo! Never mind that even if we did nothing, eventually it will be changed for us by the laws of physics!

    Sorry for the rant, mods do with me what you will..

  19. Re:PC has met motherboards by DebianRcksLindowsLie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Go ask anyone who's got a child who's eaten lead-based paint and is now sick forever if lead is safe. This is a GOOD thing. If we kept our components forever no one would care, but people in countries like China are disposing of all that US waste - and killing themselves by doing so. It's deplorable. I'll be looking into this.