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Towards Silent Supersonic Planes

Roland Piquepaille writes "There is no longer a single commercial supersonic airplane since the retirement of the Concorde last year. And even during its years of glory, the Concorde was not a commercial success, mainly because it was not allowed to cruise at supersonic speed over land. Why? Because of the sonic 'boom' which arises when you break the sound barrier. Now, a joint program between NASA, the military and the aerospace industry wants to remove, or at least reduce, this sonic boom, by changing the shape of supersonic planes. It seems to work. After a 'nose job' on a Northrop Grumman F-5E, about a third of the pressure released when breaking the sound barrier has already been suppressed. This overview contains more details. It also includes a photograph of the modified Northrop Grumman F-5Ea aircraft flying off the wing of the F-15B research testbed aircraft. [Note: Previous results were reported here by Slashdot in last September.]"

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  1. Re:Directing the sound? by FrYGuY101 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nope. The Boom is omnidirectional. In fact, the downward part of the wave is aided by the increasing atmospheric pressure.

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  2. PopSci... by PeaceTank · · Score: 5, Informative

    There was a smaller article like this in Popular Science a while back, and since I am very interested in planes and aerospace, it now is on my wall. I'll type it down for you guys, I'ts actually very interesting...

    All Zoom, No Boom
    Teaching an F-5E Tiger how to tiptoes.

    There's nothing more dramatic than a supersonic jet streaking overhead; and nothing more annoying than the bone-rattling sonic boom it leaves behind. The boom really consists of two bangs caused by the N-wave in the planes wake, with rapid pressure rises corresponding to the nose and tail. Northrop-Grumman hopes that by tailoring a F-5E Tiger with a longer nose an modified tail, and tinkering wiht its body and wngs, the boom can be transformed into a smooth, inaudible hump. Engineers got the idea from research that goes back to the 1970's. Today's computers, which make it possible to model airflows up to 200 yards from a plane, were required to put the theories into practice. Tests being next august. --Written by Bill Sweetman.

    I don't know exactly when it was published, but it shows that this is really no new idea. On an interesting side-note, my uncle worked for McDonald Douglas before they were bought out by Boeing, and actually was a systems engineer for the Coherent Readar systems for the F-5F. When I told him about this he thought it was one of the coolest things he'd ever heard.

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  3. Supercruising also important by Zergwyn · · Score: 5, Informative
    The goal of suppressing and/or absorbing the sonic boom has been around for a long time now, and I have seen a number of different attempts at doing it, most without particularly good levels of success. But at least for a commercial aircraft, another very important consideration is fuel costs. People who follow the aviation industry should remember the recent airliner choice of the new Boeing 7E7 over their Sonic Cruiser concept, because the 7E7 is much more efficient, which therefore translates to lower fuel costs.

    Most supersonic aircraft require afterburners in order to go faster then sound, and afterburners are incredibly voracious consumers of fuel. I think that one of the other very important innovations is the "Supercruise" ability, seen on aircraft like the F-22 Raptor. This allows the aircraft to maintain supersonic speed for extended periods of time in a low power setting, and this in turn is just as vital for cheap, commercially viable flights. I hope that advances in sonic boom suppression will also work well with the necessary designs for supercruising, and that we may all be able to take advantage of such flights within the next 2-3 decades. If both aren't taken into account, and designers come up with plans that make for an either-or choice, it could mean supersonic planes will still be relegated to the relatively wealthy.

    1. Re:Supercruising also important by GooberToo · · Score: 2, Informative

      The link says that it can maintain supersonic speed without afterburners. That's different from going supersonic without after burners.

      In other words, according to the link you provided, the plane must still use afterburners to reach its supersonic cruise speed. Afterwhich, afterburners are not required to maintain the speed.

      Did I misunderstand?

  4. Re:"SONIC BOOM!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Nah

    Ryu could take him hands down every time - why? He need a charge up of about 1 - 2 seconds to pull off those moves.

    Really good players could negate the charge up easily enough but that means that for just a moment they are blocking, and blocking means thrown. If they tried to hit you to keep you from throwing then they lost the charge.

    I will say this though, the kick was amazing because he traveled forward and up (unlike ryu's dragon punch which only went a little forward) it was easy to click someones head, knock them over then land close enough for some serious ass pounding.

    Ryu > *

    End of story.

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  5. Re:Directing the sound? by FrYGuY101 · · Score: 2, Informative
    That's not entirely accurate. The shockwave can be shaped, though the math to make that possible is way over my head. The structure at the origin of the shockwave determines the wave's shape.
    Shaped, yes. The purpose of this testing is to shape it so that the different booms spread out the boom so it isn't as loud, or interfere with each other to possibly partially cancel each other. It can't, however, be directed, which is what the Great-grandparent was asking.
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  6. Wow. This must be embarassing.. by XaXXon · · Score: 2, Informative

    To go off on someone for getting an airplane wrong.. and getting the airplane wrong yourself.

    The plane in the top right is definitely an F-15 as is stated in the caption. The side-mounted air intakes are a little hard to see, but are obviously different from the bottom-mounted air intake of the F-16, however the giveaway is the tail. F-16s have a very differently shaped tail than the F-15, and it's an F-15 tail in the picture.

  7. that is an opfor plane by Nf1nk · · Score: 3, Informative

    That plane is used for training purposes to be the agressor, it looks like one of the Navy OpFor planes from Palomar. The us military uses mocked up soviet equipment, or sometimes even real soviet equipment to train against.

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  8. Re:Looking at the picture by PD · · Score: 4, Informative

    The bottom left photo is not a F-20. There were just 1 or 2 made, and they are owned by Northrop, not the Navy.

    The F-5 in the lower left is owned by the Navy. The reason that it has the Red Star painted on it is that it's an agressor plane used by the Top Gun dogfighting school.

  9. not the sonic boom by blitz487 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The reason the Concorde was an economic failure was not the sonic boom - it was a failure because of the enormous fuel consumption per passenger, as well as the enormous maintenance costs per passenger. This was true even though the airlines purchased the Concordes for $1 apiece, and there was no purchase cost to amortize.

    1. Re:not the sonic boom by blincoln · · Score: 2, Informative

      Boeing actually tested the waters by announcing a supersonic jetliner [geocrawler.com] that would have a reduced sonic boom.

      The Sonic Cruiser was a subsonic plane, it was never intended to be supersonic. It was going to fly at something like 90-95% of the speed of sound, and cut an hour or two off of intercontinental flights.

      I wish they'd built it just so we could have planes that look like they belong in the 21st century at our airports.

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  10. Re:I've always wondered... by FrYGuY101 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's created constantly by supersonic flight. It's a byproduct of the air pressure in front of the plane being extremely high, steadily decreasing as you head back to the tail, and a sharp rise behind the tail when the pressure snaps back to normal.

    This is why there are two booms from each aircraft. The first one from the pressure wave preceding the plane, and the second from the posterior wave.

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  11. Re:Looking at the picture by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Informative

    Riiiight...

    Top right - F-15
    Center - Modified F-5
    Bottom left - Standard F-5, painted in TigerShark livery.

    The F-20 is just slightly different frm the F-5, as evidenced by the extra bulk around the tail root.

    This particular F-15B from NASA has a different nose. More pointed than a line model. That is why you were confused.

  12. Re:Looking at the picture by Penguinshit · · Score: 2, Informative


    Air Force uses an F5 variant called the T-38. You see the Shuttle pilots flying these around, and they are used as the chase planes on landing.

    Good aircraft. They are supersonic, nimble, stable, and are good for teaching multi-engine techniques.

  13. Re:I've always wondered... by billcopc · · Score: 3, Informative

    The sonic boom is constant. It is because the sound source is travelling than the sound itself, thus the wave doesn't have a chance to decay before it is regenerated by the travelling object. The individual waves add up to form the sonic boom.

    When a jet flies by, you would hear two booms: one at the front when the nose pierces the air, and another at the rear when the air fills the void behind the aircraft (in theory its polarity would be opposite that of the first).

    Read about it here: Doppler Shift

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  14. Re:Wrong by ishmaelflood · · Score: 5, Informative

    Possibly, however you said " it was a failure because of the enormous fuel consumption per passenger,"

    I took a few minutes to demonstrate that the cost of fuel was not, in itself, an especially large component of the running cost of the aircraft.

    ALso, BA's accounts show that the Concorde operation was profitable prior to the crash.

  15. sonic booms are not one time events by rebelcool · · Score: 2, Informative

    The 'boom' is a continuous shockwave that occurs as long as the vehicle is at supersonic velocities. This is why these planes have generally not been allowed to fly at supersonic speeds over occupied land.

    Basically there would be a violent rumble on the ground over the entire length of the plane's flight corridor. The idea is to reduce or remove entirely the shockwave coming off the vehicle surfaces.

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  16. Re:That third plane is weird by joemc91 · · Score: 2, Informative

    That third plane is also an F-5 Tiger. Look at the fairing between the tail fin and the fuselage as well as the cockpit design, both are exactly the same. You'll notice that the sonic boom is only changed below the plane, the top is not changed at all sinec nobody really cares about the boom above the plane.

  17. Re:I've always wondered... by FrYGuY101 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Actually, if you'll notice in those pictures, there is one massive burst, with several minor ones on places that you pointed out, mainly the canopy and wings.

    The main boom is the one I was describing, and as far as I can tell, it was accurate. At least the Wikipedia seems to agree with me:
    In smooth flight, the shock wave starts at the nose of the aircraft and ends at the tail. There is a sudden rise in pressure at the nose, decreasing steadily to a negative pressure at the tail, where it suddenly returns to normal. This "overpressure profile" is known as the N-wave due to its shape. We experience the "boom" when there is a sudden rise in pressure, so the N-wave causes two booms, one when the initial pressure rise from the nose hits, and another when the tail passes and the pressure suddenly returns to normal. This leads to a distinctive "double boom" from supersonic aircraft.
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  18. Re:had nothing to do with the concorde's success.. by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2, Informative

    If Boeing's 7E7 project turns out to be substantially less successful that Airbus's 380 project, Boeing might not have the capital or the time to design a new cvil aviation platform--preferring instead to suck on the Pentagon's teat.

    Airbus thinks that the airlines will continue to consolidate their hubs. If so, they'll ditch the aging 747 platform for A380.

    Boeing thinks that airlines will add more nonstop routes between secondary cities-- e.g Detroit to Shanghai. If so, they'll probably buy more 7E7's, as unlike the older Boeing planes, the Dreamliner is substantially more fuel efficient that the Airbus offerings.

  19. Here are the Concorde problems: by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2, Informative

    1. The plane's Olympus 593 engines were serious fuel guzzlers and made a tremendous amount of noise on takeoff, especially with the afterburner (known as reheat in Europe) running. Also, they definitely don't meet today's standards for jet engine exhaust emissions, either.

    2. The plane's range limited itself to flying between New York City and London/Paris--and even then the plane require priority handling by air traffic control during its flight.

    3. The plane's carrying capacity was too low for its size.

    4. The plane--because it had to fly at Mach 2-plus--needed very careful design for heat-dissipation reasons.

    I think for tomorrow's SST's, the technologies now available will do the following:

    1. By carefully shaping the entire plane, this drastically reduces the pressure wave buildup that causes the sonic boom in the first place. By limiting the top speed to around Mach 1.7 when the plane flies at altitude the sonic boom may be barely audiable or not audiable at all.

    2. The use of modern aerospace materials means the plane can be quite a bit lighter, which means you can consider larger passenger and/or cargo loads. Also, because the plane is limited to Mach 1.7 top speed there is less pressing need for heat-resistant external surfaces.

    3. Jet engine technology improvements since the 1960's will allow for SST jet engines that are very quiet on takeoff and landing (meeting even the upcoming ICAO Stage IV noise standards), yet operate efficiently at supersonic cruise. Also, improved combustor designs will drastically reduce the exhaust emissions that plagued the Olympus 593 engine. Because the top speed is only Mach 1.7, it may be possible to apply the supercruise jet engine technology used on the F-22 Raptor's jet engines, which means less need for afterburner (reheat) operation and lower fuel burn.

    In short, we are very close to developing a Mach 1.7 SST seating 200-250 passengers that could fly over 6,300 nautical miles, be very quiet on takeoff and landing, not be an environmental hazard from jet exhaust and have sonic boom that is almost non-existent. Imagine being able to fly from San Francisco to London at Mach 1.7--we may be talking about cutting nearly 40% the flight time compared to a Boeing 747! =)

    1. Re:Here are the Concorde problems: by plusser · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are a number of additional reason why Concorde was not a commercial success and was withdrawn from service:-

      1) The wings were virtually hand made. This was because at the time of manufacture CNC machines had not been really developed. As a consequence when the linings were put in the fuel tanks on the BA aircraft after the Paris crash, they found the shape of the fuel tanks on each aircraft were completely different. The TU144 (Concordski) had less complicated wings, due to the use of Canards on the front of the aircraft.

      2) Concorde could only just make JFK from Paris. If the wind were in the wrong direction, the plane couldn't fly. The proposed (but never built) B version of Concorde could have flown Supersonic from Germany to JFK, and could have reached a number of other destinations from London.

      3) The Avionics on Concorde needed to be replaced for the aircraft to continue in service past 2004. I know this as the company I work for built the engine controllers, which were the first controller to have full digital control (RB211 engines on the 747 didn't get this until the 1980's). Needless to say the work was cancelled.

      4) After the Paris crash, the work carried out on the aircraft meant that the Air France Concorde could not operate fully loaded with 100 passengers. I believe as Air France could then no longer operate the aircraft economically, therefore withdrew their service. This also made the BA service unviable. Due to political reasons the aircraft were not sold to another air carrier that were prepared to continue operating the aircraft (Virgin Atlantic).

      To date Concorde is one of only 2 aircraft with supercruise capability (flying above Mach 1 without afterburn); the other is the F22. It has flown more hours supersonically than all the other supersonic planes in the world.

      I spoke to Sir Richard Branson (Owner of Virgin Atlantic) live on BBC TV the day before Concorde was withdrawn from service. I asked him when he expected the replacement for Concorde to enter service, and he replied "not for another 30 to 40 years". I would hope that the developments into reducing supersonic noise and jet engine fuel economy would allow the development of a large passenger jet within the next 15 to 20 years, but that depends on the airline market for such an aircraft. A small supersonic business jet capable of reaching mach 1.4 may be in service in as little as 3 to 4 years, especially as Concorde is no longer in service.

      Concorde will end up in history as the aircraft equivalent of the SS Great Eastern; a large Brunel ship that was built some 50 years ahead of its time. It too was never a commercial success, and was scrapped 30 years after entering service. No ship of the size of Great Eastern was built under the SS Titanic era of the early 20th century.

  20. Just Look Up by potat0man · · Score: 2, Informative
    The Boeing 747 cruises at 566 MPH and has a top speed of 604 MPH.

    The speed of sound at 30,000 ft above sea level is about 678 MPH

    So at top speed thats: 89% the speed of sound (damn near 90%)
    And At cruising speed it's: 83%

    Pretty Close.

  21. Factual error in article by Richard+Bannister · · Score: 2, Informative

    The article refers to Concorde as the only supersonic passenger aircraft. That is not the case; the russian Tupolev TU-144 ran a short lived passenger service in the late '70s.

    Of course it was even less efficient than the Concorde, but it did exist :)

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  22. Re:If someone can identify the third plane is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    No, a T-38 is a two-seater. That 3rd plane simply looks like a unmodified F-5 fighter jet.

  23. Re:If someone can identify the third plane is... by Zulaab · · Score: 2, Informative

    The aircraft looks to be a non-modified F-5E.
    Paint scheme make it look like a Soviet Aircraft, making the aircraft most likely to come from the Nellis Airforce Base where the Red Flag exercises are done.

  24. Re:had nothing to do with the concorde's success.. by smacktits · · Score: 2, Informative

    A standard 747 holds 300 people...

    Not so. A standard 747-400 (most recent model) holds 416 people in a three-class configuration. Charter 747s with all-economy seating can hold 500 or more.

    All seats on Concorde are first class.

    No, they were Concorde class; a step above first class.

  25. Re:Also Wrong by juhaz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Aviation fuel is not taxed, much to the disadvantage of the environment. If it was taxed at the same rate as automotive fuel is in most of the world, flying would be priced where it should be, i.e. out of reach of most people, and there would be substantial environmental benefit.

    Because there are much less airplanes than there are cars. If plane emissions ever start to get anywhere even NEAR that of cars, you can bet that they start to get taxed more.

    Jet aircraft have done far more damage to the ozone layer than anything else.

    Links, please. Planes emit mostly CO2 and Nitrogen oxides just like anything else that burns fossil fuels, NO's do destroy ozone, but nowhere as efficiently as chlorine, and only supersonics fly high enough for their emissions to make it into ozone layer. Now that concorde is gone, only supersonics are military aircraft, not much hope trying to prevent those from flying with taxes.

    On lower altutides that most jet aircraft fly at, NO's actually stimulate ozone production, of course on the low altitudes it's a pollutant of it's own and a greenhouse gas as well.

  26. Re:had nothing to do with the concorde's success.. by aschlemm · · Score: 2, Informative

    I had a chance to visit the British Airways Concorde at the Museum of Flight at Boeing Field in Seattle, WA and I don't know if I'd call those seats first class other than there are only two seats on each side of the plane. To protect the seats they've covered each side of the interior over with curved pieces of plexi-glass and the remaing isle is very narrow. In looking at the seat size it looks smaller than a first class or even business class seat on a widebody jet but since I could only look at the seats and not try them out I can't do a real comparison. I guess it would be tolerable though given the much short travel time in flying on the Concorde.

    The other thing that struck me about the Concorde was how small the interior is and the door is quite low going into the plane. I had to duck as I entered the plane to keep from hitting my head on the doorway.

  27. Re:had nothing to do with the concorde's success.. by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't have much knowledge of aircraft certification, but I do have some knowlege of certification processes in other industries.

    The difference is in where the burden lies. Apparently (taking the parent post at face value), in the past manufacturers had to prove to the FAA's satisfaction that a design was safe. Now, they just have to give the design to the FAA, and the assumption is that it will be certified unless the FAA proves that it is unsafe (therefore the burden of proof is on the government).

    Obviously this is a lower standard - since those most able to find flaws in the design are the designers, who work for the manufacturer who wants their design approved.

    Honestly, I cannot vouch for how the FAA certification process really works, but in most industries that are regulated the burden of proof is on the industry - to prove that they are operating within the regs. The regulatory agency merely audits their processes and looks for signs of things being out of order. Industry is supposed to police itself, while the govt polices the police. This has the benefit of shifting the safety costs to the industry - where they are ultimately reflected in the prices of goods (which makes sense - if planes cost a fortune to make safe it should be reflected in the cost of plane tickets, so that consumers can take a train if it makes more sense).

    I'm always open to alternative systems if they actually work...