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Diary Illuminates Einstein's Last Years

b00le writes "Several sources carry versions of this story about the diary of Johanna Fantova who shared much of the last years of Einstein's life (and cut his hair) and witnessed his kindness and poltical activisim. The diary does not seem to have been translated from the German yet, but the site has extracts. According to this, Fantova tried to publish the diaries herself and of course failed to find an agent."

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  1. is this real? by BobTheLawyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    perhaps I'm being over-cynical, but I can't help wondering if this is a hoax.

    Einstein calling Heisenberg "a big Nazi" is surely too funny to be true. The mistake mentioned in the article (reporting Einstein phoning his sister several years after she was dead) doesn't sound like the sort of mistake a real diarist would ever make.

    thoughts, anyone?

    1. Re:is this real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is possably why she failed to find a publisist.

      They check the document before publishing it. Were as newspaper's push anything they have to the public.

    2. Re:is this real? by BuddieFox · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Einstein calling Heisenberg "a big Nazi" is surely too funny to be true.
      Why would it not be true? Werner Heisenberg did a lot of nuclear research in germany during the second world war, research that was meant to lead to a german atom bomb.
      I dont think just because Einsteing was Einstein everything he said every day had to sound poetic and/or thouroughly thought thru, maybe he just spoke his mind occasionally? :)

    3. Re:is this real? by Chemicalscum · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In fact Einstein said "ein grosse Nazi". I thnk it just about accurately sums up Heisenberg who had been active in the Bavarian extreme right even before the Nazi's came to power.

    4. Re:is this real? by BuddieFox · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I am aware of that. I am also aware that he did not sympathize with the nazis and only did his work because he had to. But nonetheless, he _did_ the work. There are stories of Heisenberg having to fake nazi sympathies in letters to friends because the nazis read everything he wrote, something that caused a lot of his old friends to think he really did sympathize with the nazis at the time and take offence.

    5. Re:is this real? by spellraiser · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is from the article:

      In close succession, Einstein received visits from physicist Werner Heisenberg, who led the Nazi German A-bomb effort, and Aage Bohr, son of physicist Niels Bohr, who became Heisenberg's rival. Fantova recounted that after the visits, Einstein called Heisenberg "a big Nazi" and commented that Bohr was more pleasant but spoke constantly.

      From the context, it seems clear that Einstein is referring to Heisenberg's demeanour, perhaps also his expressed opinions and world-views. Heisenberg's past is not the issue here. Einstein was stating his personal perception of Heisenberg, as established from his own acquaintance with him.

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    6. Re:is this real? by Welpa · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, this is not so unbelievable. Heisenberg apparently did believe that Germany would win and was working on developing the atomic bomb for Hitler.

      There has been a lot of attention devoted to a meeting, in 1941, between Heisenberg and Niels Bohr, a Danish physicist, in occupied Copenhagen. There has even been a play about it, called "Copenhagen".

      You can read some documents about the meeting here .

    7. Re:is this real? by Wirr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, speaking as a German, I think it is highly likely that he said that.
      Namecalling isn't only an American pasttime.
      And calling people Nazi's is one of my nations favorites pasttime.
      And just after the war it was bound to happen even more often - especially if you consider that Heisenberg wasn't exactly on the left side of politics, neither before nor after the war.

  2. Bed Head by DeanFox · · Score: 5, Funny



    If she is the one who cut his hair, I wonder what her writings must be like. Einstein, even on portrait day, looked worse than I do on my worst bed head day. It took so long to transcribe her notes because of her shaky hand?

  3. one of Einsteins better ideas by jacquesm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    was a UN with teeth. Violate the charter and we'll come after you. Much more effective than the current talking sessions, which no violator ever takes serious. Now *that* would improve the world.

    forget the e=mc^2 stuff :)

    1. Re:one of Einsteins better ideas by Emperor+Igor · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's debateable. A UN with teeth would basically be a world government instead of a world forum. I don't think it's bearable for most countries to have laws primarily influenced by the values of other countries.

    2. Re:one of Einsteins better ideas by JohnnyCannuk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well that may be true, but I suspect the people of Rawanda wouldn't have given a tinkers cuss about that kind of BS. Instead of relying on the good graces of the US, UK, France etc the UN could have just gone in and stopped the slaugher of 800 000 innocent people. Lt Gen Romeo Dallaire, who headed UNAMIR at the time, pled with the UN and the Security Council to allow him to conduct offensive operations to at first prevent the genocide by capturing weapons and then to rescue people and stop the killing once it had started. But on at least 3 occasions the US, the UK and France VETOED such action. And the rest is, unfortunately, history.

      Given the choices like that, I think having a little "world government" isn't so bad. Maybe not to the extent you seem to be afraid of, but the UN should have WAY more power than it does now.

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    3. Re:one of Einsteins better ideas by forgotmypassword · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes we can name it "The People's Republic of Chin... er UN"

    4. Re:one of Einsteins better ideas by JohnnyCannuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or maybe because the US refused to pay its dues.

      No, in the case of Rawanda EXACTLY 10 years ago, the UN had armed troops on the ground that were ready, willing and able to go after the weapons caches and the genocidaires but were ordered not to by the Security Council, led by the US, the UK and France.

      As for the dysfunctional africa because of a post-colonial past being the foault of the UN I don't see it. The French had military advisors and soldiers on the ground supporting the Goververment of the dictator that planned and started the genocide. The Belgians turned tail and ran like simpering dogs when they lost soldiers in action (imagine that!). All outside the UN or without their approval. Only Canada, Ghana, Senagal and a bunch of useless Bangledeshi's stayed to try to do anything, under the authority of the UN.

      Don't be surprised that you think the UN is corrupt and inept when it is the government of the US that undermines it in every way possible. This is called a self-fufilling prophesy.

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  4. Einstein's childhood by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny

    Please see Young Einstein for some amazing revelations about our favorite frizzy professor's childhood in Australia.

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  5. The successful de-politicization of Einstein... by dpbsmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of the more interesting things about society in the United States is the way in which "dangerous" ideas can be neutralized and forgotten without actual censorship. Jack London, Helen Keller, and Albert Einstein are good examples of people whose political opinions were successfully submerged in the popular consciousness by elevating the non-threatening aspects of their life and work.

    An example from the right rather than the left would be Charles Lindbergh.

    I remember being surprised by my discovery, in the sixties, that a) many people of my parents' generation at least recognize the tune and words of The Internationale, that virtually nobody from the sixties generation does--not even the real lefties--and that people from my parents' generation were largely unaware that people from the next generation don't know it. A song and a political emblem, into the memory hole without benefit of telescreens.

    1. Re:The successful de-politicization of Einstein... by Pentagram · · Score: 4, Informative

      Jack London, Helen Keller, and Albert Einstein are good examples of people whose political opinions were successfully submerged in the popular consciousness by elevating the non-threatening aspects of their life and work.

      And that's pretty sad. Helen Keller in particular: the part of her life where she first managed to overcome some part of her disabilities is remembered, but the campaigning work she did afterwards is forgotten. It's just about the most patronizing thing I can think of.

      With respect to Einstein, I think that he earned the right to have his views heard (though not automatically agreed with of course!) In that spirit, here's Einstein on socialism.

    2. Re:The successful de-politicization of Einstein... by br00tus · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Einstein's most famous political essay was probably "Why Socialism?, which appeared in the first issue of the Monthly Review.

      The first thing he addresses in it is what someone here already responded, why does it matter what an expert (or genius) on physics thinks about political matters? His first answer is that since physics is a physical science, e.g. a "real" science, while economics is a social science, pretty much anyone can have an opinion on a social science and have it be of possible equal validity since there's no scietific method of finding a "correct" answer. He also says that the violent, predatory nature of the existing system intrudes on a scientific study of political economy (for example, property "rights" are enforced by...force). His second answer is that this is a social-ethical question more than a scientific question. So in other words, he dismisses the notion that there are experts in economic or social matters whom one can objectively say know more than the average person. It would be like a theologian telling an atheist he understands the nature of the universe better than the average person.

      As far as socialism, it never really made much of an inroads in the USA. If it's dealt with it all, it's said that it's "big government"...which sounds more like good old American New Deal Democrat liberalism. It's kind of like Plato's cave, the only reference to the body of socialism would be the shadow of liberalism. Einstein came from Europe where socialism was quite a big thing (as was communism) in the 20th century (in the east and the west - the largest political party in France was communist until 1956, Italy practically elected a communist government in 1976 losing by 5% of the vote, Germany's parliament was majority socialist and communist prior to Hitler, Spain had an anarchist/communist war against fascism in 1936 and was under a military dictatorship for decades afterward, and so on and so forth - socialism, anarchism and communism dominated Europe in the 20th century alongside fascism and Christian democrats). Einstein was steeped in these politics in Europe and had a much more intimate understanding of them then most Americans would. I've found most Americans think they know a lot about 20th century European history and the political philosophies of socialism, communism, anarchism, fascism and so forth, but they really don't. For example, you always hear how the USSR "forced" Hungarians to be communist. You'd never have known Hungary had had a bolshevik revolution in 1919, which lasted until Romania invaded. Of course, Russia had some influence on eastern Europe, but the US could be said in many respects to have "forced" France and Italy to be capitalist - especially Italy - the post-war elections were a total fraud, and as late as 1976 there were secret plans drafted by the USA to have NATO invade Italy if they voted communists into power in the 1976 election, which nearly happened. I don't know which is more disturbing - that Americans know so little about all of this, or that they know so little about all of this but think they do know all of this.

  6. One of his famous quotes... by akaina · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...was "I live in that solitude which is painful in youth, but delicious in the years of maturity."

    It's surprising that someone so respected would need to chase a carrot like that. It sounds like that solitude extended indefinitely. Maybe extreme genius demands solitude.

    Any thoughts?

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  7. "On the touched side" means "socialist" now? by ianscot · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "From many published reports, Einstein was a bit on the touched side on social issues"...

    What exactly does that mean?

    It fills me with deep apprehension to see how people who might otherwise rail against "PC revisionism" will dismiss something like Einstein's various social causes, putting them in a basket like "he was a little 'touched'" to keep them at a safe distance. Heisenberg had worked for the German war machine trying to develop an atom bomb. Do we not think Einstein could possibly have strong feelings about that? Whether this diary's legit or not, that particular point doesn't seem over the edge to me. Over-candid, maybe -- as might happen in a diary...

    It' ain't just Einstein (who was an avowed socialist by the way -- boo!). A worse and weirder thing has happened with Helen Keller. Helen Keller was a hell of a woman; Winston Churchill called her "The greatest woman of our age." We've made her a curiosity, a freak show -- because we're airbrushing out her entire adult life so that she's safer for fifth-graders to read about. Okay, so these two people were socialists, and I'm not. (I'd be more of a Keynesian, along the lines of Richard Nixon, economically.) Opinions far from our own aren't inherently nuts, and we don't have to be scared of them -- do we?

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  8. Godel (and Einstein) were mundane... by 1iar_parad0x · · Score: 5, Interesting

    On a tagential, but seemingly related note. Hao Wang's book "A Logical Journey: From Gödel to Philosophy" is a similar type of book. It's really more of a historical source, not a book. The author merely collected and recorded facts based on Godel's life. Godel and Einstein spent 20 years together at the Institute for Advanced Study. Often times they would take walks together and they seemed to be good friends. Also, Godel seemed to have had an active interest in cosmology, prehaps presceint of the rigourization of cosmological models in the post-Einstein era.

    Godel lived a rather mundane life. He was no Feynman. He was quiet. While Einstein seemed to enjoy, if not ask, to be treated as a scientific god, Godel seemed to hate such exclusion. Often times, mathematicians and philosophers feared to even talk to the great Godel. Even Von Nuemann (who seemed to have little respect for Einstein [see Ulam's autobiography]), referred to Godel as the greatest philosopher since Aristotle. Facts, as found in Wang's book, such as Godel's fondness for "chicken and biscuits" or Godel spending Sunday mornings in bed reading the Bible are mundane. However, these men were mundane. They're world was completely of the mind. Often these men quirks are the only really interesting things about them. They were virtually indisguishable in public. In fact, in Martin Davis book, "The Universal Computer" Davis' wife exclaimed, upon first seeing Einstein and Godel together at Princeton, that see had seen "Einstein and his lawyer".

    In the case of this woman's diaries, I'm more concerned she deified Einstein, thus tainting her view. I believe the publishers may have been right in this case. Her diaries probably read more like notes. They probably would have requried some extensive work or further research before being worthy of a book.

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  9. Re:did not sympathize? by AchilleTalon · · Score: 4, Funny
    Maybe that's what we should call:

    Uncertainty principle of Heisenberg

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