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iTunes One Year Anniversary Sparks Comparison

An anonymous reader writes "CNet News is running a story about the upcoming one year anniversary of Apple's iTunes service. It gives a pretty good summary of the year in online music, with a nice chart comparing each service's user base now and then. The most interesting quote in the article is from a record executive stressing that the industry is quietly hoping that the online music stores will start selling songs in compatible formats. As a sidenote, the headline story at the beginning is based off this page."

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  1. Re:Congrats, Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Unlike the hinges however which were a real problem the "burnt powerbook" photos are faked.

  2. Re:Incompatible filetypes? by per11 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The DRM in the iTMS files is acutally very limited. You can share the music on a few computers, copy it to your iPod, and even burn to a standard audio CD. It only prevents you from sharing it with a bunch of people you don't know.

  3. Re:Who want to bet... by FrYGuY101 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Is there a single google service that costs money for the average consumer to use?
    Yep. Google Answers.
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  4. Re:CD Baby - the word from the backend by linuxbaby · · Score: 5, Informative
    P.S. As of now, these are the different formats for which we have to convert every song - in delivering to the various download music services:
    • WMA9 - 192k
    • WMA9 - 160k
    • WMA9 - 128k
    • WMA9 - 96k
    • WMA9 - 32k
    • WMA9 - 20k mono
    • AAC - 128k
    • AAC - 256k
    • MP3 - hifi VBR (lame -preset standard)
    • MP3 - 128k
    • Ogg Vorbis - q6
    • FLAC
    In-house we use FLAC to store everything, then have shell scripts to de-code those FLACs to WAV files to convert to the various other formats.
  5. Not a proper tabulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Looking at the comparison table, it isn't fair to list Rhapsody in there, with Rhapsody being a streaming service and almost every other player in there is a download service. Interesting to note that , RealPlayer music store is listed in there too and has a pretty good download number for something that opened just one-two months back.

    Rhapsody with a user base of 489,000 is doing pretty good I beleive with each user paying $10 / month . Thats like 4.89 million. Apple is way ahead in the competition with almost double the users compared to its successor.

  6. Bleep is my fave by Twid · · Score: 4, Informative

    My current favorite download service is Bleep

    http://www.warprecords.com/bleep/

    Great electronic stuff from guys like Squarepusher and Plaid in un-DRM'd 192k LAME-encoded mp3 goodness.

    I wish iTunes had a higher quality option. It's not that 160k AAC sounds bad, but if the download is all I get, I'd like a higher quality format to get at the same time.

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    1. Re:Bleep is my fave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I like Digibag.com

      http://www.digibag.com

      Digibag.com serves House Music in both Mp3 and WAV formats. Each files comes in .zip compressed files and the delivery has always been very fast.

      If you are into House Music you must check this site out. They feature the top producers in the world and feature both released and unreleased material. They also sell Mp3 mixes for $9.99.

  7. Re:Incompatible filetypes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    If you are my kind who prefer to keep searching for variety of genres of music that are not mainstream like global music and celtic, then you should definitely look into Rhapsody. Its something that you begin to appreciate once you try. Unbelievable collection that is very eclectic and different comprising a wide range of genres on world music (mali, rai, west african, new age). Its defintely worth 10$/month

  8. i'm suprised no one has said this but by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Informative

    "the industry is quietly hoping that the online music stores will start selling songs in compatible formats" we already have a compatable format arseholes, it's called mp3

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  9. Re:Microsoft offering a competitive environment? by Hanji · · Score: 4, Informative

    I call bullshit.

    PlayFair/iTunes allows burning of the same playlist to a CD up to 10 times without modification, and rearranging tracks or tacking on a 1-second silent track counts as modifying and entitles you to another 10 burns. There is no reasonable way you should ever run up against that limit in anything resembling normal use, it seems to me.

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  10. Re:anniversary by grepistan · · Score: 2, Informative

    True, but pedantic. Not everyone has an etymological dictionary with them all the time, and I suspect that most people wouldn't happen to know the roots as well as you do. Usage is a critical mass thing - once a certain expression or meaning becomes popular enough it becomes domninant...

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  11. Re:Microsoft offering a competitive environment? by dr.badass · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apple's PlayFair files only allow burning under limited circumstances, particularly that the same mix of songs can only be burned three times.

    That's simply not true. What are these "limited circumstances" you speak of? And where do you get three times? Even Apple says ten is the limit for a given playlist, and IIRC, once you reach that limit you can just make a new, identical playlist. There is no per-track limit.

    Microsoft's WMA format allows the DRM applier to set whether they want to allow 1 burn, 5 burns, any other number of burns, or infinite burning. Again, Microsoft's just the software provider, it's up to the store to make the deals for these things....

    What this means in reality is that any two tracks even from the same store might have different limitations. If you make a mix with tracks A and B, with burn limits of 1 and 5, respectively, you won't be allowed to make two copies of that mix.

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  12. Re:Mac + Windows = Success by RonnyJ · · Score: 0, Informative
    Dude, what are you talking about? I take it you don't have a Mac.

    You're right, P2P applications are certainly available for the Mac. However, fortunately for Apple, most of the general public aren't aware of this, and so see iTunes as their main source for downloading music.

    And once iTunes had become extremely successful for Mac users, it was only a matter of time before they moved into the Windows market.

  13. Re:Microsoft offering a competitive environment? by davandhol · · Score: 2, Informative

    You should read it more closely--It's saying that artists get 8 to 14 cents from the record labels (who get 65%). Apple doesn't pay the artists, record labels do.

  14. Re:Microsoft offering a competitive environment? by Fuzzle · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm going to chime into the "bullshit" on this post. I've burnt at least 6 copies of the ERROR - S/T EP I bought from iTunes. I've put the Green Day - I fought the law single on about 10 mix cds, in a mix of Fairplay AAC's, non-DRM AAC, and mp3s. There is no limit on burning that i've been able to find.

  15. Legal alternatives, without DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why don't more people seem to mention or know about the legal alternatives to these services.

    www.allofmp3.com
    www.3mp3.ru
    club.mp3search.ru

    It's legal even in the US due to international copyright law.
    (www.museekster.com/allofmp3info.htm)

  16. Re:Mac + Windows = Success by useosx · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nice post, but a little out of date, as I see no mention of Poisoned which is a front end to giFT. giFT supports FastTrack (Kazaa), Gnutella, and OpenFT (a hot little network). Personally I'd rather run Poisoned than Kazaa any day.

    Furthermore, the BitTorrent community is alive and well on OS X. Azureus works really well, and there's a hot little native client that is better than the standard one.

    I've been using the Overnet command line client, which sucks but gets the job done better than the various front-ends floating around.

    And then there's Hotline, Carracho, and the new open-source client-server model "Wired".

    Enjoy.

  17. Re:Microsoft offering a competitive environment? by Durandal64 · · Score: 4, Informative
    The Apple camp exists in a silo, as usual. Music purchased at the iTunes Music Store is only playable in iTunes, and only natively transfers to an iPod family portible.
    iTunes Music Service M4P's will play in any application that can play QuickTime files. Maybe you should email the WinAmp developers and tell them to use the QuickTime API instead of pissing and moaning about how no apps besides iTunes support them (oh, except for VLC, but you were too busy complaining to research that). What do you want Apple to do? Write 4 other MP3 players? They've given Windows developers the tools to do it.
  18. Re:Microsoft offering a competitive environment? by Fuzzle · · Score: 2, Informative

    Audiolunchbox offers non-DRM mp3s or OGG. It's mostly independent music though.

  19. DRM, Linux, Mac, and Windows... by Goonie · · Score: 3, Informative
    Your argument rests on the false assumption that Windows and Mac provide a safe environment for DRM systems. The only difference between DRM for Linux and DRM for closed-source platforms is that there is at least an illusion for closed source platforms that DRM will work.

    In practice, this is complete BS. Aside from Playfair, there are innumerable programs out there that provide "virtual sound cards", so you can rip the output of any sound player straight to your hard drive.

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  20. Re:CD Baby - the word from the backend by linuxbaby · · Score: 3, Informative
    Just out of curiosity, who gives out 256K AAC?
    Rhapsody doesn't distribute it but does use it as their in-house archive format for future transcoding.
  21. Re:Microsoft offering a competitive environment? by jimmyharris · · Score: 4, Informative

    Microsoft is only entering the game as a software provider? No Microsoft music store? Did you think Microsoft could really resist leaving any pie untouched?

    http://news.com.com/2100-1027-5176411.html

    Microsoft said Friday that the second half of the year will see the launch of its online music store, a long-expected entry into an increasingly crowded business dominated by Apple Computer's iTunes.

    The software giant this week began offering sneak peaks of the service to independent record labels at the South by Southwest trade show in Austin, Texas. Though Microsoft remains mum about specific details, this week's dog and pony show signals the company's heightened ambitions to enter the world of online music sales with a bang.

  22. Re:Microsoft offering a competitive environment? by allgood2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Really, how much can you respect a group of people who state their primary purpose is to support the artist, but advocate downloading songs and sending artist a dime or more for their efforts. Downhillbattle is a silly protest group, who hasn't decided who they should protest.

    If you want to support independent artist at least get your stats from the Future of Music Coalition--independent artist who support and organize independent artist. You'll actually see muscians who want to stay independent, who aren't seeking the Big 5 for a quick fame, but working hard and living off their music. Go visit http://www.futureofmusic.org/

  23. Re:There are customers outside US also by jimmyharris · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are at least two online music stores for Australians to use. http://bigpondmusic.com/home.asp and http://www.destramusic.com/.

    Sure, they are both Windows only (and they both suck), but they are there. Personally I use www.allofmp3.com in Russia. See today's Age newspaper for more details.

  24. Re:Janus vs. AAC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    AAC is open; WinAMP will rip CD's in AAC format.

    Now the FairPlay system is proprietary, but then so is WMA's DRM. In fact, of all the music services, Apple's comes closest.

    But you knew of this, right?

  25. Re:There are customers outside US also by Xenex · · Score: 3, Informative
    "im in australia and we get jipped on everything - we dont even have any online music stores"
    Yes we do. BigPond Music is selling tracks for $AU0.99, right now.

    I wouldn't actually use it, though.
  26. Re:Microsoft offering a competitive environment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't want to be offensive, but you should read and understand the posts before you reply to them (specially if you are going to quote them).

    The 10-copy limit applies only to burning a playlist to CD. And, as the other posted said, once you reach that limit, it is trivial to restart the counter (by rearranging or recreating the playlist).

    So, in practice, the 10-copy limit is irrelevant to the regular end user. It's only intended to slow down the pirates who want to burn dozens of copies of the same list.

  27. Re:Microsoft offering a competitive environment? by laird · · Score: 2, Informative

    "While you're happy to have the choice made for you now, that might not be the case in the future. Could be tricky moving your entire music collection over to another format."

    For iTMS, converting to another format is quite easy -- burn to CD (or virtual CD) and RIP into other format.

    Yes, converting between lossy formats does cost you some sound quality, but:

    - you can't hear it under normal listening conditions, and
    - there are hacks that let you strip the DRM and leave music in AAC, and

  28. Re:Microsoft offering a competitive environment? by kylemonger · · Score: 2, Informative

    Everyone should keep in mind that what Apple says right now might not be what Apple says in the future. The rules may change and the changes can apply retroactively to music you've already purchased. If you're prudent, you will immediately burn any music you download from the iTunes music store to non-DRMed media and hang on to that copy.

  29. Re:Microsoft offering a competitive environment? by dr.badass · · Score: 4, Informative

    Once it's on an ISO CD format, it's fair game. Just make a binary copy of that CD as many times as you want.

    Sure, you can do the same thing with CDs made from iTunes, except you don't need to.

    I consider it a point against WMA-based services that you need additional 3rd-party software to do something that iTunes has no problem with in the first place.

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  30. The Record business will kill this anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    iTunes 'could cost $2.49 per song'

    http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/main_news.cfm?New sI D=8493

  31. Re:Microsoft offering a competitive environment? by BasilBrush · · Score: 2, Informative
    You have it wrong. The 10 limit is only on burning a playlist to CD. You can move your songs from computer to computer an unlimited number of times. It's just that you are limited to having your music authorised to play on three computers at any one time. Equally you can replace or update your iPod as many times as you like - it's just that an iPod will be tied to just one computer at any one time. You don't ever "run out" in either scenario.

    Can you play your iTunes music on your non-iPod MP3 player without someone getting around the DRM? Can you play the music on your computer with a non-apple player? Can you play it in an OS that isn't made be Apple or Microsoft?

    If your music isn't an iPod, or your OS isn't a Mac or Windows, then iTunes isn't aimed at you. It's also not aimed at you if you aren't American (so far). That means that I, (like you?) can't use it. That doesn't mean it's bad for the people that can.

  32. Re:iTunes does not work behind our firewall. by amichalo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't try too hard - Apple appears to have a fix posted inconsicuously at apple.com/support - the bastards!

    If that doesn't work, and I have no idea how technical you are or if you are interested in making this work but this guy looks to have had the same issue - can do everthing but buy music via his firewall. (Start at bottom of page and read up.)

    Lastly, try a Google search for 'itunes firewall 443' and see what pops up!

    It isn't that difficult to figure this stuff out man. And just for comparrison, try talking to someone live about your issues with other freeware (iTMS is free) and see how far you get.

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  33. Re:Mac + Windows = Success by Bricklets · · Score: 2, Informative

    Some Mac supporters fear that this may change someday to increasing the number of iPod users out there. It seems that there is an increasing difference between being a Mac supporter and an Apple Inc. supporter.

    Interesting, though in my case the iPod had a huge direct influence over my decision to get an iBook over other PC laptops. I would tend to believe that iPod sales and Apple computer sales are not completely mutually exclusive.

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  34. Re:I find the numbers most interesting by gerardrj · · Score: 2, Informative

    You are misinterpreting the numbers. These are subscriber/member numbers and have nothing to do with downloaded tracks, albums or revenue generated.

    For all we know WalMart as 2.7 million members, but only several thousand have purchased music.

    For example. we know that iTMS has sold at least 50 million tracks, but has less than 5 million accounts.

    The latest numbers I'd seen released showed iTMS with something like 70% of all legal music downloads, that means that iTMS is selling more than all the other services combined.

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  35. Re:Microsoft offering a competitive environment? by laird · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, when there's a will, there's a way. You can use QTConvert to batch convert between any two known QuickTime formats, including from Protected AAC to AAC, Ogg Vorbis, etc. And it comes with scripts that run from within iTunes so that you can select tracks within iTunes and convert them.