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Legend Of Zelda - Evolution Of A Franchise

Thanks to Nintendo Power for its transcript of "Zelda guru" Eiji Aonuma's speech at last month's GDC conference. Aonuma, who's "been doing work related to a game known as Zelda... for roughly eight years", from the N64 through the current GameCube iterations, discusses his pre-Zelda influences ("What kinds of games did suit me? Those would be Text-Based Adventures"), the "three-day system" in N64 title Majora's Mask ("[done] to make the game data more compact while still providing deep gameplay"), and the essence of the series ("Zelda is a game that values REALITY over realism.")

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  1. Re:Zelda is the best game of all time! by Mr.Dippy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I still to this day haven't beaten one Zelda game but I do agree that all of them encompass what a great game should be. Yes, I know, my skills are lame. I remember playing Zelda for the SNES and for the first time being engrossed into a video game plot/story. If Nintendo was smart they would bundle the new Zelda with the Game Cube. I'm sure a lot of people would by the System.

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  2. Re:Zelda is the best game of all time! by mr_jrt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not to mention The Adveneture of Link. Thats one damn hard game. Even gettign to the last palace from where you start is a mini quest in itself thanks to the lava plains and caves. ...and once you're there...unless yo u knwo the trick the grand palace IS, not in actuality, but in perception due to the brilliant design.

    One day I might even be bothered to dust off my NES and visit the bird knights and giant bobs again :)

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  3. Re:Zelda is the best game of all time! by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I have been playing games for about twentyfive years. I have played thousands of games on many platforms. Most of them I don't even remember, some of them I played a lot, and a few I have finished. Having that in mind, finishing Ocarina of Time was the most memorable experience I've ever had playing a game. Actually, I only remember playing that game on my N64 (I somehow missed Goldeneye and I only remember frustrating attempts to jump on a snow stage on Mario 64)...

    One of those days I'll boot up Ocarina on Time on my Gamecube and I'll go through the experience again...

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  4. What about the Cd-i by pnice · · Score: 3, Informative

    Even though Nintendo wasn't involved in the production of these games, you can't forget the craptastic Zelda games for the CD-i. parnasas.com

  5. Re:Zelda is the best game of all time! by CodeMonkey4Hire · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think that one of the successes of the Zelda dynasty is that you can kind of identify with the characters and say, "I would like to have this adventure." How many people ever wanted to be a fat plumber battling mushrooms and turtles (by jumping on them no less)? Give me a sword.

    Zelda seems to have the same staying power as Final Fantasy, except they appeal to different types of fans (with significant overlap mind you). The FF fans are probably the ones that are more likely to play PnP and they probably immerse themselves in many other CRPGs. The Zelda fans (from the NES days) are probably the ones who preferred games like Contra, TMNT, XMen, etc. but were actually interested in a more involving plot mixed in with their action.

    Now that I've said all that, I realize how much some people are going to disagree with what distinguishes Zelda from other games. Personally, I liked the fact that even though you had to go through a certain list of tasks, you could, to a degree, do them out-of-order, and sometimes this made the game a lot more interesting. (It can be especially tricky/frustrating in games where you have to go back and search a low-level dungeon because you couldn't get to a certain room before.)

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  6. Reality over Realism ... by SuperRob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This comment right here is why I love Nintendo's games. Everyone cried foul when Nintendo moved to cel-shading for the Zelda: The Wind Waker, saying that they wanted a more realistic Zelda. Some people are STILL saying that.

    As it turns out, The Wind Waker is probably the most realistic Zelda game I've played. But that has more to do with creating a world with logical rules, and then living by those rules. You can practically feel the wind swirling around you, things in distance fade out of view, but are still there (you can see FOREVER). The game may look cartoony, but it's a "real" world. It feels real, things react exactly as you'd expect.

    The problem with "photorealistic" games is that we know so much about what the real world is like, that anything that doesn't jive with our expectations is JARRING. We all immediately notice when a realistic human character doesn't look or move right. Developers have to become slaves to perfection as opposed to creating art. Complex physics, ultra-detailed textures, flawless motion capture ... it's all required, and VERY expensive!

    The new Zelda was free from those constraints. The only expectations they had to worry about was their own, and as a result, the world feels more realistic than anything I've played before, because I was able to suspend my disbelief and keep it suspended ... a rare feat in gaming today.

    1. Re:Reality over Realism ... by kisrael · · Score: 3, Insightful

      An interesting point, but one thing struck me as jarring: it doesn't escape from feeling like a contrived world, a world that was pretty much assembled just for my gaming pleasure. Almost no island existed just for it's own sake; it held some kind of treasure or dungeon or puzzle. There were no seafarers who were just sailing around for the heck of it. People in town felt like they were pretty much wandering around waiting to be interacted with it. And, just like Metroid, so much is arranged so that I won't run into it until I've sufficiently leveled up with certain gizmos.

      The Grand Theft Auto series are the only games that I've played deeply that shake this. Their cities seem to exist for their own sake, not for the sake of the player--the adventures are overlaid on this (interesting enough to be fun just run around and do random stuff) persistent world. Sure there are some problems, like the way cars disappear when your back is turned, but overall it has a certain type of depth I haven't seen in any Nintendo game.

      I think being set in a "real world" helps with that...it's easier than making a consistent universe from scratch, and then my own preconceptions help round out the missing details. I don't know if the "realism" of the graphics (i.e. straightforward and not particularly stylized or artsy) aids that as well.

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    2. Re:Reality over Realism ... by MilenCent · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, I loved Wind Waker too. Boat travel felt epic. And say what you want about the time it took to go places. Here's the secret: The Great Sea is much less monotonous than Hyrule Field..

      It's true. Wind Waker's overworld has more monsters, more places to visit, more secrets (including at least one significant treasure in every sector), and nifty little mini-games to do like hit barrels for rupees, feeding the fish to get your map filled in, and just checking out each sector's island.

      Hyrule field is smaller, but there's much less happening in it. It's probably Ocarina of Time's biggest flaw, unless you're in Young Link's time at night the monsters are barely worth discussing. Peahats can be scary opponents if you only have three hearts, unless you just stay the hell away from them that is. And say what you want about Ganondorf -- he cleared the Peahats and Stalchildren out of Hyrule Field. The Evil part of his alignment is regrettable, but the Lawful part has its advantages.

  7. Re:Zelda is the best game of all time! by Mighty+LoPan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I always found it hard to pin the Zelda games into a genre. A good way to test it is to try to find another game right after you finish playing a Zelda. If you're thinking "I want another game like that"...well, good luck to you. The closest you can get is probably Metroid (which is every bit as good, IMO). It's common now to have a growing toolset/powerset throughout a game - you could even say that about getting bigger guns playing through an FPS. But most games either go full RPG, like Final Fantasy, or very heavy on the action, like Metroid Prime. It's a fine line that Zelda walks, and I can only imagine how hard it must be to design a game like that.

  8. Re:Collector's Disc by Colazar · · Score: 3, Informative
    I got a brand-new shrink-wrapped one for $25 (including shipping) on half.com just a couple of weeks ago.

    You can get them for less if you're willing to go used.

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  9. N64 by bckrispi · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "been doing work related to a game known as Zelda... for roughly eight years", from the N64 through the current GameCube iterations.

    Wow!! Does anyone else feel old when they read this?? It hadn't hit me that N64 was released almost 8 years ago. My experience with Zelda is limited to the Original (1987?) and Adventure of Link (1989). I'd solved both numerous times and kept coming back to them. Even after knowing all the secrets, the replay value was still there. To this day, I can still hear the theme music playing...

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