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Gas Plasma Antennas Help Wi-Fi Security

mindless4210 writes "Markland Technologies has developed a new gas plasma antenna technology which could help to secure wireless networks. The technology allows for highly directive and electronically steerable digital data transmission via solid-state semi conductor based plasma generators. A plasma antenna can reposition itself at very high speeds, as well as change it's beamwidth and bandwidth, creating spatial and spectral security features which are not presently available with conventional WiFi antenna technology."

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  1. Now you see it...... by erick99 · · Score: 5, Informative
    This is a very cool technology. This antenna essentially "disappears" when it is not being used, making it fairly "stealthy". And, while a traditional metal rod or dish antenna is "cut" to a specific or very narrow range of frequencies, it would appear that the gas plasma antenna can essentially reconfigure itself to rapidly change frequencies. As a ham radio operator, I can really appreciate how useful that could be.

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    1. Re:Now you see it...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      This antenna essentially "disappears"

      And so will the VC money.

    2. Re:Now you see it...... by nacturation · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Queue up the "bah! security through obscurity never works" posts. :)

      I agree though, this is really fricking cool. With the right controls, you could make it so that the antenna characteristics change over time according to a pattern known only to those posessing the corresponding private key. Interception is harder and, even if it is intercepted, you could theoretically use this as one additional encryption layer.

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    3. Re:Now you see it...... by Bagheera · · Score: 2, Informative

      It certainly seems like a cool technology, but I'm not sure how it would apply to WiFi - or even Ham for that matter. Yes, a tight beam antenna will provide some slight level of added security (while not substituting for encryption) there is the issue of power requirement - you need to create that plasma - fuel requirement - the gas you're ionizing - and the shielding requirements. The first one is a killer for portable devices (the usual application for this technology - if you're running a desktop, wires are dramatically more secure), while the second two add size and weight to the device. Both Bad Things (tm) for a portable device.

      For an amature radio application, I'm not sure where it was frequency agile. Being able to alter the pattern and available bandwidth don't mean it's also changing it's resonant length - which is what we're usually concerned with when setting up a multi-band antenna. 1/4 wavelength at 20M is still a 5M antenna. Plasma or not, it's gonna be fairly big.

      From the pictures in the article, it looked like they were using the plasma to replace the reflector in a conventional antenna, rather than using it as the driven element. That's something the military would probably love (stealthy antennas) but that wouldn't have much practical use for WiFi.

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  2. Sounds great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In fact it sounds too good to be true.

    Oh wait. I see. It's a press release from a startup company. Never mind.

  3. If you reconfigure the modulators by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Funny

    And verify the heisenberg compensators, it could just possibly work. You might need to check out the lateral sensor array though.

    1. Re:If you reconfigure the modulators by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 2, Funny

      Data: "We could in theory recalibrate the sensor array to emit a high yield narrow range transmission of pirated music, and pr0n. All we have to do is phase the output of the array using a plasma mix. This should overload the Romulan's wardriving software."

      Riker: (looks interested but clueless)

      Worf: Sir, there is no honour in this. Let me go over there and rip their PDA's from their little haxor hands.

      Picard: (as clueless as Riker, but forced to make a decision). "No Mr. Worf. We must do this without violence. Mr. Data, proceed with your plan..whatever it is."

      Data: "Aye Sir"

      Worf: "To think I gave up being the Klingon Head Of State, only to come back here and take orders from the bald guy"

      wbs.

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  4. Are We Ready for This? by cupofjoe · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hello, high voltage. It's one thing to put "phased array" antennas on naval vessels, but entirely another to put them in a house. Not to mention the voltage difference needed to generate the plasma.

    Fluorescent bulbs use this sort of principle, too - surely our new gas-plasma antennas aren't to be made of glass?

    Hrm. Perhaps they are.

  5. They forgot the best feature of all by nizo · · Score: 5, Funny

    The entertainment value when someone walks up and says, "hey whats this thing..." followed by screams as their hand disappears after touching the new flashy glowing thingy.

  6. creating spatial and spectral security features by FreeLinux · · Score: 3, Funny

    My BS alarm just tripped and I can't seem to stop it.

    1. Re:creating spatial and spectral security features by pclminion · · Score: 4, Informative
      Just because you don't understand the "big words" doesn't mean they're meaningless.

      Spatial security == the beam goes where you want, as opposed to all over the place.

      Spectral security == the edges of the beam spectrum are very well defined, with very little "spill" into neighboring frequencies.

  7. Access points by kinzillah · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is a great idea if it works. But if its all directional, how would you have an access point serving many clients? Unless the access point used (an) omnidirectional antenna(s), there would need to be multitudes of these to track each client.

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  8. Markland Technologies by metlin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Who the hell are these guys?

    Their other products in the emerging technologies section include Acoustic Core - detecting illicit materials using their acoustic signatures, Vapour Trace - a way to search cargo for contraband materials and Crypto.Com - a double cipher keyless transmission system.

    Thats a lot of cool science and technology for a relatively unheard of company, not to mention their technologies in the Border Security and Chemical Detection systems.

    I had read a while back about the CIA and US Govt investing in startups - I think its quite possible that these guys are probably funded thus :)

    Kinda cool yet spooky.

    1. Re:Markland Technologies by treerex · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I had read a while back about the CIA and US Govt investing in startups - I think its quite possible that these guys are probably funded thus :)

      In-Q-Tel makes no secret of the companies it invests in, though they are very careful with their money and perform a lot of due-diligence before making any investment. And to be pedantic, In-Q-Tel is not a Governmental agency, they just happen to concentrate their activity based on the needs of the Defense-Intelligence community. The company I work for is one of those that In-Q-Tel has invested in.

      There are lots of programs in the Department of Defence that companies can apply to in order to get research money: you just need to know which back to scratch and get yourself noticed.

    2. Re:Markland Technologies by enosys · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thanks for pointing out their other stuff. IMHO it discredits them. The Vapour Trace technology certainly isn't new, and I doubt that Acoustic Core could compete with the scanners that are already out there. As for a keyless cipher, I don't see how you could do cryptography without keys except if it's quantum cryptography or something like that. Security thorough obscurity?

  9. I can see it now by MilkmanIAC · · Score: 5, Funny

    Picture of a wide-eyed 'generic business person" with big print on the billboard that reads "Got Gas? If not, you're wireless network isn't secure."

  10. Lamest security claim of the century? by ChiralSoftware · · Score: 5, Interesting
    What good is a directional beam if it hits some radio-reflective object and bounces somewhere else? Also, even if the beam is 99% directional, sensitive or very close receivers could still pick up the 1% that leaks. A security system that is 99% effective is not much better than a system which is 10% effective. Without solid encryption and authentication built-in to the protocol, directional broadcasting is useless. With solid encryption and authentication built-in to the protocol, directional broadcasting doesn't add anything.

    The one place where this could have some good security uses is for undetectable transmission, which is probably interesting to the military.

    Of course, directional broadcasting has a whole set of real benefits, such as getting more bandwidth by allowing more transmitters in the same region, minimizing interference, minimizing radiation output, etc. But to call this a security feature? I guess the "everything good is a security feature" is the parallel to "everything bad is terrorist" idea which seems popular lately.

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  11. Re:My brain hurts by erick99 · · Score: 5, Informative
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  12. Military applications by Inigo+Soto · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to their site, plasma antennas are interesting for short-pulse applications, such as radar, IFF... Wifi is not mentioned, just a vague "high speed data communications" after a wealth of military applications.

  13. Vaporware by Wise+Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So aside from being, literally, vaporware (laugh here, serious point next.), how does this technology compete with phased array systems such as those by Vivato? I understand the value of phased arrays are that they can focus the output into an extremely narrow beam and send it to just the right place. I Am Not A Physicist, but it seems like solid state electronics are a *little* bit simpler than plasma to work with!

    And safer.

    1. Re:Vaporware by Tlosk · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because of the speed with which they can revert to nonplasma state they can prevent ringing and other artifacts inherent to metal antennae, increasing the fidelity and reliability as well as the signal processing logic on the receiving end.

      There's also the weight and size issue, with the plasma coming in both lighter and smaller to an equivalent conventional one.

      But you're right of course that it will be a while or perhaps never that it will be just as easy or easier to work with plasma. So you might not see one on a $10 walkman, but that's not to say that there aren't a lot of applications where the benefits would afar outweight the difficulty.

  14. I need to get one of those. by Rolo+Tomasi · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just hope it won't interfere with my Vortex Field Generator or detune my Resonance Cascade.

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  15. If it works, why this application? by Animats · · Score: 2, Interesting
    If this thing actually worked, they'd be selling it for applications that really need steerable directionality, like radars and satellite receivers. If they're selling it for "homeland security", it's probably not that good.

    The "war on terror" is turning into a pork program.

  16. would you believe a flame speaker? by ch-chuck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not rf from plasma, but audio

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  17. So how do you steer it??? by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 3, Funny

    If it is steerable, then it needs some idea of the direction to steer to. This could be done in a location-based way (eg. GPS) or by tracking signal strengths etc. But basically it means that to use this you will be giving away some idea of your position. It will be like the finger of God pointing at you: "There's the bloke viewing pron".

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  18. Re:Directional arials... by pclminion · · Score: 3, Informative
    Why do you say "virtual?" The antenna is just as real as a metal wire, the only difference is that the positive charges in a plasma are free to move, whereas in a metal the positive charges are locked in the lattice.

    Just because it's not a solid doesn't make it spooky or virtual...

    virtual radio telescopes could be of practically unlimited size, by this arrangement.

    Not really, since the plasma has to be kept "hot" and at low pressures in order to prevent it from recombining back into "normal" uncharged matter again. A device capable of maintaining such a large plasma would require enormous amounts of power and maintainence.

  19. Is that all? by AaronStJ · · Score: 3, Funny

    Highly directive and electronically steerable digital data transmission via solid-state semi conductor based plasma generators? Is that all? Heck, I've got, like, four or five solid-state semi conductor based plasma generators providing highly directive and electronically steerable digital data transmission in my car. Highly directive and electronically steerable digital data transmission via solid-state semi conductor based plasma generators aren't that big of a deal.

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  20. Re:Directional arials... by Adriax · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With the high speed directional capabilities it claims to have, you could set two of these up at a known distance apart and use them to quickly triangulate every wi-fi client within range.
    That would be one hell of a security measure, alerting security to the exact location of every wi-fi client not in a known approved area.

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  21. solution in search of a problem by hak1du · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We know how to make WiFi secure: with secure protocols and encryption. When the responsible standards bodies don't screw up badly (as they did with 802.11), it works fine. A somewhat directional antenna may or may not increase security slightly, but not at an interesting cost/performance ratio. If you really want additional security at the physical level, use laser or even quantum communications.

    This company has a solution in search of a problem, and they are trying to drum up businesses. Plasma antennas are interesting for 1960's style radio transmissions and stealth, but they have little significance to 21st century wireless communications.

  22. Re:My brain hurts by Adriax · · Score: 2

    It looks like a rack of florescent lights to me...

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  23. Gas Plasma not neccessary. by Dozix007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You can circumvent the use of a Gas Plasma Antenna, and cost by using a simple Parabolic Antenna. It is just as effective with direction reception and broadcasting, which is all a Gas Plasma antenna can do. And being able to alter reception directions quickly does very little for security, possibly a bit of convienience, but I would like to save my money for other things.

  24. I wonder if... by Alien+Being · · Score: 2, Funny

    An SOS message could be sent by igniting three short farts, followed by three long ones, followed by three short ones.

  25. Oil of Snake by sillivalley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While the plasma may disappear when the antenna isn't in use, the housing containing the plasma doesn't. Not too stealthy...

    Another minor issue -- what's a plasma? Ionized gas, right? How do you ionize gas? By passing current through it. That gives you a large plasma arc. Gee, I wonder if just possibly that arc might be generating RF on its own? Any guesses on DC to light (literally -- gas discharge lamps give off quite characteristic spectra)? That arc is a very wideband RF source.

    You're telling me you're going to hook up a sensitive receiver to a gas arc, and it's going to work? Or you're going to hook up a transmitter to a gas arc, and the extra power from the transmitter isn't going to alter the characteristics of the plasma?

    Kind of like playing the violin while sitting atop a foghorn...

  26. Speakers by leighklotz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember reading about making a speaker out of a candle or gas jet, I think in an old ham radio magazine from the 1950's. From what I remember, you stick two wires into the flame and drive it with a high voltage modulated with audio.

  27. Something Similar Exists... by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually they have already done this with a speaker. A gas makes a pretty blue flame, and by inserting electrodes into the base of the flame, and modulating it with a voltage, it causes the shape of the flame to change. This emits sound as it moves the air around the plasma jet.

    Several designs for these have been written up and have even produced comercially in Europe. U.S. Safety laws have prevented them from being sold in Amercia, however some enterprising scientists have built their own for fun.

    If the surface or volume of the plasma ball can conduct, it can be used as a radiator of RF, one that can have its shape dynamically changed by the above technique.

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  28. Errr ... by fullofangst · · Score: 2, Funny

    Gas Plasma antennas? The phrase "Gas Plasma" makes me think of a star trek episode where the enterprise accidentally destroys an ecosystem after venting warp plasma into a planets atmosphere :)

    Anyway, this would be a cool technology. Someone spying on your WiFi network? Send some gas plasma in his direction and watch the fireworks :D

  29. Directional Antennas are the future by cheesedog · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I agree that touting this primarily as a security feature is the wrong approach. Yes, it is a bit "better" than omni, but the real benefit is "getting more bandwidth by allowing more transmitters in the same region, minimizing interference, minimizing radiation output, etc."

    The thing that is exciting about this is the field of research that it opens up. Of course, directional comm antennas have been around for quite some time, but building networks out of them is relatively new. Do a literature search on "active topology formation" and you'll see what I mean -- not a whole lot has been done here, and yet this dramatically changes how you architect networks.

    The exact issues involved are what spurred DARPA to recently proclaim that it was time to revise the 7-layer OSI model into something that appears more like a mesh. And that really is what will be required -- for example, waiting 10s of seconds for OSPF to figure out whether a link is up or down just will not cut it when you can form links on the order of milliseconds.

  30. Re:My brain hurts by pluvia · · Score: 2

    Wow, a +5 informative, and no one clicked the link. I'm impressed.

  31. Re:My brain hurts by pluvia · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dangit, I forgot to correct the link in my previous comment, sorry.

  32. Try again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Having directional or narrow beam capabilities is of tremendous advantage ( not that this capability does not already exist to some extent, but this looks to be an improvement) :

    1. You mentioned the problem of objects in the way, especially reflective ones. For transmission in both cities and non flat terrain, the path of radio signals to the recever frequently travel along paths that include reflections as opposed to straight from the transmitter. This is not changed by the directional signal; the transmitter and receiver will just focus on the best rout. As for people listening in on signals, wireless will never be free from that. If someone is determined to position a receiver to pick up the signal, then it will happen ( Even if the snoop has to park a satellite in a straight line behind the receiver as the US government has been known to do. ) However directional will allow you to cut out a significant portion of the casual snoops. It is far less likely that the small portion of your neighbors with snooping interests and abilities will regularly coincide with where your stray signal is going if you use directional signals.

    2. Most users will not care much about 1, however they will care about the added bandwidth this allows. Directional signals allow for concurrent signals to be sent to different locations with less interference. Your wireless will not interfere as much with your neighbor's. At crowded locations, bandwidth will be divided across smaller areas, perhaps allowing the person a few tables or rows over to get full bandwidth at the same time you are if close enough to the wireless router.