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A Running Shoe For Agent 86?

manganese4 writes "The New York Times (free reg. req.) is reporting on a new shoe from Adidas that contains a ~10KHz chip capable of changing the shoe's characteristics to meet the runner's need. From the article: 'Adidas executives say the shoe is no gadget-dependent gimmick... Each second, a sensor in the heel can take up to 20,000 readings and the embedded electronic brain can make 10,000 calculations, directing a tiny electric motor to change the shoe. The goal is to make the shoe adjust to changing conditions and the runner's particular style while in use. The shoes will have push-button controls, light-emitting diodes to display settings and an instruction manual on a CD-ROM that will advise wearers on, among other things, how to change the battery after every 100 hours of use.' I wonder if the CPU can be overclocked?"

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  1. Imagine... by Unipuma · · Score: 5, Funny

    .. the stench of a Beowulf cluster of these things....

    1. Re:Imagine... by Excen · · Score: 4, Funny

      Forget about the smell, imagine the chaos you could cause at the Boston Marathon with a good virus!

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  2. What, no Bluetooth connection to the wristwatch? by Animats · · Score: 4, Funny

    You can't tune the thing while running? That is so lame.

  3. Durability over Lifetime? by AlaskanUnderachiever · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Wow! The durability of a computer in a shoe!

    Does anyone else thing it's a bad idea to throw these sorts of components into something that's going to take a few hundred thousand 100kg (or more depending on speed/weight/height) impacts?

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  4. Crazy runners... by sn0wcrash · · Score: 5, Funny

    These running fanatics have a screw loose. They spend a fortune on these fancy shoes looking to improve their perfomance. Yet they always get beaten by some guy from Africa that's never even owned a pair of shoes.

    1. Re:Crazy runners... by nacturation · · Score: 4, Funny

      Reminds me of a Jack Handey:

      Once I wept for I had no shoes. Then I came across a man who had no feet, so I took his shoes. I mean, it's not like he really needed them.

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    2. Re:Crazy runners... by tuxette · · Score: 4, Informative
      I don't think very many serious runners would buy these shoes. A lot of people I know who are serious runners (marathon etc.) have a hard enough time detaching themselves from their old worn down shoes. When they do buy new shoes, they know what they need for their feet and terrain; they don't need a chip to tell them what they already know.

      These high-tech shoes seem like something that would appeal more to the wannabes. It's their money, so...

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    3. Re:Crazy runners... by antic · · Score: 5, Funny


      Never criticise a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. Then, you'll be a mile away, and you'll have his shoes! ;)

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  5. Sport Legality? by Renraku · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In things like track competitions or marathons, should such 'active' measures be allowed? I mean, what if I had a pair of smart shoes that were attached to a motorcycle...

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    1. Re:Sport Legality? by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 4, Funny
      ...what if I had a pair of smart shoes that were attached to a motorcycle...

      Then you'd probably be dragged to your death.

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  6. Human feet by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Human feet have thousands upon thousands of sensor sites and they feed back information to the brain which can process all the information in parallel and recognize even the slightest change in environment and adjust accordingly.

    So bare feet are better than these new shoes.

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    1. Re:Human feet by beeplet · · Score: 4, Funny

      Quite true, but given the choice between having my shoes adjust to stepping on a rock or having my feet do it the old-fashioned way by sending thousands of pain signals to my brain, I think I'll go with the shoe...

    2. Re:Human feet by tuxette · · Score: 4, Informative
      You're in on something there. There are quite a few elite runners who train/compete barefoot. For example, Abebe Bikila won his first Olympic marathon running barefoot, and broke the world record.

      Here's another interesting site regarding barefoot running/marathoning.

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  7. When it's hacked. by fuqqer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Rather than kids tying another's laces together, well have them hacking in and turning someone soles rock hard for the day.

  8. A battery on a running shoe. Think about this... by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Couldnt they have talked to Swatch or something? Why the hell should a running shoe need a battery? I mean, that's the whole point.. you RUN in them! Kinetic energy, right there! FREE for the taking!

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  9. Google link. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  10. what a gimmick by kaltkalt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please. I mean, this is like saying the Reebok Pump was "analog technology capable of generating an infinite number of support positions." GIMMICK. Nothing more. But get a famous basketball player to endorse it, charge $200 for it, and it'll fly off the shelves.

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    1. Re:what a gimmick by glaHHg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Tell me about it. Here's all the detailed info on what it actually does, straight out of the article:

      alters its physical properties
      would change to your different needs
      change
      adjust
      changes its characteristics
      adapts its cushioning

      Hmmm so wtf does it actually do?? Looks like the same thing the pump does but without the pump.

  11. Sport Legal? by Intocabile · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've only ever seen passive electronics in sports equipment; this shoe won't be legal in most professional sports.

  12. Crash? by BigZaphod · · Score: 4, Funny

    So if it crashes, do you trip and fall? Boy, that'd suck on stairs...

  13. Good for astroturf use by nacturation · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So... a 10KHz chip can make 10,000 calculations per second? Sure, as long as all those calculations take only 1 clock cycle each. And what good is a sensor that can take 20,000 samples per second if the CPU isn't powerful enough to even make use of all of them?

    Honestly, what's the point? If the goal is to change the shoe characteristics, why not include a little adjustable screw so the wearer can manually change various tensions? This sounds like a lousy solution in search of a problem, and a badly marketed one at that.

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  14. login stuff by Errtu76 · · Score: 4, Informative

    for all who don't/can't register:
    u/p: nytslashdot

  15. It's just another imbedded system by Trespass · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Make it solid state and durable. You should have no problems with something that amounts to little more than a processor, battery, some flash memory and some sensors.

    There are far more stressful environments for computers in military and industrial settings.

    1. Re:It's just another imbedded system by AlaskanUnderachiever · · Score: 5, Insightful
      They make solid state dc motors these days? Where was I?

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  16. Yeah sure by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you're running forward!

    No one's going to buy a shoe you can't walk backwards in.

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    1. Re:Yeah sure by cammoblammo · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you're running forward!

      No one's going to buy a shoe you can't walk backwards in.

      I take it this means that they wouldn't be backward compatible? I wonder what sort of boot process they have.

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  17. Re:A battery on a running shoe. Think about this.. by Krashed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I totally agree with this. Think of the ways they could have produced power from this. piezo-electric with the vibrations and stomping on the ground (which would probably absorb some of the shock anyway), stirling (or whatever creates changes energy between the heat difference) due to the foot getting hot (which may cool it down some), the swatch thing (a swinging weight with attached magnet to charge a capacitor).
    You know what really would have been badass. If they added bluetooth capability between it and a pda so you can track your workouts wirelessly. Then create a bluetooth heart rate monitor with a watch that would intergrate the entire system. You could modify your step and check your heart rate at the same time. I should start working on the patent...

  18. yeah but by schroet · · Score: 4, Funny

    how long before you have to PATCH them?

    shameless, I know :p

  19. wrong icon by chrispy666 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Geez, the ONE time the foot icon would actually make sense, it is not even used by /. editors...
    I guess I know where to stick my foot next time...

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  20. Crashed by antic · · Score: 5, Funny


    Wait up guys! My shoes have crashed...

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  21. Just wait for convergence to take hold by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 4, Funny

    Once they start coming with a built in camera!Things will be looking up!

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  22. The Wrong Shoes? The Wrong Trousers? by kc8jhs · · Score: 5, Funny

    Didn't we learn anything from Wallace and Grommit in The Wrong Trousers,?

    -Mikey P

  23. Re:A battery on a running shoe. Think about this.. by btempleton · · Score: 4, Informative

    Any shoe that's not a perfect device is taking power from your stride, compressing and expanding the rubber etc.

    The only issue is whether you can get some electricity, rather than just heat, from this work. And not increase the total work in a way that would be noticed.

    There were some projects to make battery chargers in shoes I recall, but they couldn't actually get as much power as they had hoped from pezio. Springs probably would be noticed.

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  24. Re:Yeah by b4k4 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's not x86 processors the title is referring to. Agent 86 was Maxwell Smart (played by Don Adams) in the '60s TV series "Get Smart."

    You know, ther guy with the phone in his shoe?

  25. So now you have to RTFM to get some exercise by Masa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "an instruction manual on a CD-ROM that will advise wearers on, among other things, how to change the battery"

    So, does these shoes have a CD-ROM-drive built-in or how one is going to use the manual on the road? Because, it would suck quite royally ass if the BSOD strikes while running at the woods and you have to try to figure out, how to reboot your shoes. And what if the batteries run out? The only thing you can do with the manual is to wave it and hope someone equipped with pair of AAA-batteries (or whatever the shoes are using) and a laptop would see you (a laptop is required because the manual contains the instructions, how to change batteries).

    These shoes will bring us to a totally new level of complexity of having some exercise.

  26. Re:Yeah by misof · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know, this actually could be the first time some device would run Linux...

  27. Re:Yeah by MrIrwin · · Score: 4, Funny
    " You know, this actually could be the first time some device would run Linux..."

    Not to mention boot it ;-)

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  28. Running barefoot by pkplex · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IMO the best way to run is in bare feet, ie, no shoes. That probably sounds stupid to most people, but when your feet are bare, you get lots of feedback and built in reflexes from the nerves in your feet.

    One importaint peice of feedback you get, is to NOT LAND ON YOUR HEELS. Your legs and feet are not designed for you land on your heels ( but shoe companys and podaitrists would like you to think so ). Instead, bare feet teaches you to land on the your forefoot ( eg, the area around the balls of your feet, just behind your toes ).

    A forefoot strike has advantages over a heel strike, In breif;

    Much less chance of injury ( eg shin splints, runners knee, etc ). However, during the first two weeks of learning to run with a proper forefoot strike style, I had sore calf musles. This was the 'numb, lactic acid, ive done more than I am used to' type soreness. This is something your calfs get used to quickly, just like how your biceps grow if you do bicep curls. The main reason for less inury is because the energy absorbed from each foot landing is stored/absorbed into muscles, rather than being driven up thru your bones and joints ( eg, ankle, knee, hip, and back ) as the case with heel strikes.

    It stores energy form the landing, and releases it as your body moves over your foot plant.

    It allows you to run with minimal vertial motion in the torso area, if your knees are bent when your foot touches the ground. As the body goes over the footplant, the leg straigtens, which keeps the torso in the same vertial position.

    And as a result, you end up running very efficently. One obvious thing about running properly ( with a forefoot strike ) is that you become very very quiet, eg, almost completely silent in the feet department, quite the opposite of the comparitive racket most runners make with the enourmous heel striking boots.

    Anyway, I think that the best running shoe is one which is simply like a protective layer of skin over your foot, IE, as close to running in bare feet as possible.

    And the best way to run is in bare feet, but in rare cases ( or when your just starting out ), bare feet is not always practical ( eg, sharp gravel, areas that are likely to have hidden sharp things ), but 80% of places I find I can run barefoot with no problems.

    If you have injurys / problems with running, then perhaps have a look at www.runningbarefoot.org or www.posetech.com, and learn how to run properly ( with a forefoot strike style ), and do not rely on shoes to do the running for you.