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Essay: Perspectives of African FOSS developers

philipp_at_bridges_dot_org writes "Bridges.org has just released an essay about FOSS issues in Africa, Straight from the Source: Perspectives from the African Free and Open Source Software Movement. It highlights a perspective that is often overlooked in the discussion of how FOSS can benefit developing countries: that of software developers themselves. The essay describes the conditions African FOSS developers work in and the difficulties they face, mostly letting quotes and personal impressions speak for themselves. The issues are very different from what I am reading in the typical slashdot discussions. It maybe an interesting perspective for your audience to see what others, who share the believe in freedom of source code are struggling with - hopefully to encourage thinking around solutions for these problems."

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  1. Zimbabwe by crossconnects · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a friend in Zimbabwe who does web development, but has to pay for internet access by the minute, partly because he has to pay for phone service by the minute.

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    1. Re:Zimbabwe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WOW! That's incredible. Pay-per-minute Internet access?

      I know people in a variety of continents that have that.

    2. Re:Zimbabwe by tiger99 · · Score: 3, Informative
      I guess you live in the US, where you seem to have had free, or at least fixed-price, unlimited time local calls since you had telephones (well maybe not quite...). Most of the world actually pays by the minute, in the UK, BT and the useless cable company NTL charge by the minute for telephone calls, however many ISPs have an 0800 number which gives you free calls to them, that is paid for out of your monthly fee to the ISP instead. However, only serious internet users pay for their ISP, most have a "free" ISP and pay for the phone call, on a 0845 number, the ISP then gets paid a small amount by the phone company.

      I would prefer the US model, but would like it even more if NTL, who have been ripping me off with a digital cable TV box for several years now, would finally deliver their promise of broadband. Now, that would be somewhat more expensive, but not timed, although they have been rumoured to be capping the monthly download.

      None of us has a perfect system, but I do feel sorry for these guys in Zimbabwe, with a useless, malevolent dictator like Mugabe, who is at least as evil as Saddam, they are not likely to get their internet arrangements improved any time soon.

      I hope someone discovers oil in Zimbabwe, so the cretin Dubya and his puppet Tony B. Liar have an excuse to rid the world of him, preferably with a single bullet, without involving the country in a war. The people of Zimbabwe deserve to have the same human rights as anyone else, they should be able to rely on someone to rid them of that monster. Now, we say the other day that in Lithuania, internet access is regarded as a basic human right.....

    3. Re:Zimbabwe by flooded-bretzel · · Score: 2, Funny
      Quote:

      "I hope someone discovers oil in Zimbabwe, so the cretin Dubya and his puppet Tony B. Liar have an excuse to rid the world of him, preferably with a single bullet, without involving the country in a war"

      God it feels so good to see that people actually think GWB is a cretin !

    4. Re:Zimbabwe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful



      MOD PARENT UP, YOU COCKS!

      Africa's a third-world dirthole because at the end of the day, we *and* our government find it all too easy to write off a whole continent than look at the ugly truth about what's going on over there. We got our asses handed to us in Somalia and ever since then it's been "see no evil, hear no evil" towards ANYTHING that happens in Africa as long as it's south of Libya. How many people were killed in the Hutu/Tutsi conflict? A fucking MILLION? And what did we do for them? Hell, we had *press access* to the slaughter and didn't do a goddamned thing. All we had was third-hand stories about Saddam's atrocities and look what we did to stop them. CNN had fucking *film* of people hatcheting each other to death over there, and at the end of the day they got an *apology* from the UN. An *APOLOGY* over a million dead Africans. We should be ashamed, our government should be ashamed, and so-called "African-American" leaders like Maxine Waters and Jesse Jackson should be double-plus-ultra-fucking-ashamed at sitting idly by while all this happened. We wear the "African-American" badge with pride, but if we're so fucking African then where were *we* when all that went down, huh? Give it up, my brothers. From now on, I'm just going to be an " -American," because at the end of the day, being African is just too goddamned hard.

      Mod me down because I've earned it. Mod me up because I speak the fucking truth. As a nation, we're pissing on the promise that this country once had.

      End rant.

    5. Re:Zimbabwe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what? It was just niggers killing niggers. Hey what do you call a million dead niggers? A good start..

    6. Re:Zimbabwe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally different. A million dead American fat, lazy niggers might be a good start, but when it's African-Africans, who are being killed by oppresive dictators far more evil than Saddam ever dreamed to be, it begs a huge question of "WTF are we doing in Iraq, when we could bring goodness to far more people in Africa??"

      I'm white, somewhat racist, but even I am able to see the difference and think we should do some "regime change" in Africa rather than Iraq.

    7. Re:Zimbabwe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Africa's a third-world dirthole because at the end of the day, we *and* our government find it all too easy to write off a whole continent than look at the ugly truth about what's going on over there."

      Yes, and USA and Europe both have both fsckd up African people. When you look at the powerty and dictatorship stemming from power vacuum left by the European colonialists, lack of interest (except from the oil) and denial, you essentially get a 3rd world continent created by you. I think it's about time we take some responsibility of our wrong-doings. What the western "civilized" countries are doing is deprivating African people from their *own* natural resources, denying them from the prosperity that belongs to *them*. Well, I'll just have another cup of cheap coffee and STFU.

    8. Re:Zimbabwe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, right.

      All the bad choices of these individual human beings with all the same ability as you have to make these determinations don't mean squat. It's all whitey's fault, right?

      Those dictators don't HAVE to pull the trigger. The perpetrators of those genocides don't HAVE to kill people. It's their fuckign choice, not that of some Belgian colonist 200 years ago.

  2. Issues not limited to FOSS by Raindance · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some of the issues the article raises (little money to purchase home equipment for software development) hit FOSS developers harder, but the majority of the article seems really applicable to all of the African software industry, especially small-scale software developers using any software license.

    Slightly misleading spin, but very interesting information.

    RD

    1. Re:Issues not limited to FOSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is there always an assumption that FOSS developers actually know how to develop professional quality software? If there is such little money to purchase equipment, how do they even afford an education in computer science? How can a developer with little to no education produce anything worthwhile?

    2. Re:Issues not limited to FOSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there is such little money to purchase equipment, how do they even afford an education in computer science?

      You learn by studying. Just like in an educational settings. Even if you cannot afford schools and a degree, you can still learn. Especially in this day.

      Some people have a passion to learn and study.

      I'm also not attempting to downplay the real advantages of going to school.

    3. Re:Issues not limited to FOSS by JLavezzo · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't, personally, call it spin. The point is that FLOSS has the greatest potential to affect change, vs. commercial licenses. Because they're not selling their software, it is more able to affect change, but for the same reason, they don't have some of the resources other developers do to overcome the chalanges listed.

      A for profit small scale software shop could theoretically get a loan that would be paid off through sales.

      However, a well organized team of FLOSS developers could apply for grants that aren't available to a commercial business. But these are hard to come by without experience.

    4. Re:Issues not limited to FOSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not denying the passion, I am just questioning the quality of work that comes from developers who do not have an education in computer science.

    5. Re:Issues not limited to FOSS by KlomDark · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh get the fuck out of here. Most of the best programmers I know do not have a shitty-assed CompSci degree, or even a degree. It's the guys who have were hacking on their Apple ][s and C64s when they were kids who grew up to be 30 year old programmers with 20 years coding experience. Far better than the jock-type who didn't touch a computer until college, and is only in it for the money.

      I will always consider a self-made programmer before I consider some fuck with a degree.

    6. Re:Issues not limited to FOSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dont be pissed because you failed out.

    7. Re:Issues not limited to FOSS by yomegaman · · Score: 2, Funny

      All this proves is that you don't actually know anyone who studied CS in college. That's understandable, I didn't know any when I was 13 either.

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    8. Re:Issues not limited to FOSS by KlomDark · · Score: 1

      Um, OK, a 13 year old that knows about Apple IIs and C64s, and uses Eddie Murphy terms like "Get the fuck out of here..."

      But yah, your response WAS funny anyway :)

  3. Summary by CodeMonkey4Hire · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is a copy of the summary from http://www.bridges.org/africasource/summary.html


    Straight from the Source: Perspectives from the African Free and Open Source Software Movement
    A bridges.org article in collaboration with the Tactical Technology Collective.

    For a software developer working in Africa, Philip Mbogo's problem is as basic as it gets: "I don't have a computer," he said. "I have to go for unpaid work in order just to get on a computer." Internet access is also an expensive rarity, so he counts himself fortunate to work as an intern at an Internet service provider where he takes as much advantage of the bandwidth as he can. "Anything I can get I download. I even got [a Linux distribution called] Debian, which takes two days [to download]."

    African software developers face many obstacles as they struggle to work in this field. But these "coders", as a group, form a community marked less by their frustration and isolation than by their perseverance and resolve. This theme dominated AfricaSource, a workshop held in Namibia in March 2004 and organised by the Tactical Technology Collective, AllAfrica Foundation and SchoolNet Namibia. The meeting in the small town of Okahandja of 40 software developers from 25 countries was for many the first chance to collaborate and compare notes.

    Lack of access to the means and tools of production is the issue African programmers most commonly identify as the greatest barrier to success in their work. But at this event, coders got a chance to share the innovative ways they work around the problem. "We buy computer parts bit by bit. In the space of three or four months we have a computer," says Ayeni Samuel Olaoluwa, a web developer from Nigeria, who saves up to 50% this way. Another method he has devised is keeping his freelance clients' work on computers he uses as part of his day job. "I am able to hide stuff on the server, but when I leave the company I'm in trouble."

    The prohibitive costs of bandwidth and hardware are an obstruction most programmers face, but it affects coders most seriously at the time they are preparing to enter the job market. Without the opportunity to earn salaries that would help them afford equipment of their own, ambitious market entrants eager for work face the prospect of successive, often unpaid, internships just to prove their skills.

    This predicament is widespread across Africa, says Ghanaian Guido Sohne, "There are not enough projects available to work on to employ the available talent.... In most African countries IT is not part of the economic production process. It's actually more expensive to computerise your accounting system than to hire more people to do it manually." So when programmers do find jobs, a large percentage tend to find themselves ushered into system administration and technical roles, where they are overworked and their skills are underutilised.

    This situation might be a consequence of the fact that a coder's skill is not accorded the value it deserves. Isaiah Makwakwa finds himself in this bind. When the computer science graduate first joined SDNP Malawi, the UN's sustainable development program, his work stimulated him. He automated a billing system for the administration of the .mw domain and maintained the webserver and mail systems. However, over time and as budgets became tighter, managers added client support to his job description. "User support grew to be the biggest part of my job," he says.

    The flood of work helping people solve problems on their desktops gradually overshadowed his programming duties, but Makwakwa's manager failed to implement a plan that would have protected and leveraged the value of Makwakwa's skills, which are rarer and far less transferable than the troubleshooting talent he was being called upon to use.

    Makwakwa's case is not unique, and it certainly is not exclusive to Africa. As the number of computerised workpl

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  4. Whoa by nizo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From the article:


    - They buy computers in pieces over a 3-4 month timespan.


    - Internet access is hard to find, though one happy guys states he got Debian, "after a two day download".


    I will never complain about my computer or net access ever again.

    1. Re:Whoa by WormholeFiend · · Score: 3, Interesting

      and with Cuba cracking down on internet access, make sure you bring a few copies of various Linux distros inside your "music" CD holder when you visit.

    2. Re:Whoa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      and with Cuba cracking down on internet access, make sure you bring a few copies of various Linux distros inside your "music" CD holder when you visit.

      Too bad that people from "the land of the free" aren't allowed to visit Cuba.

    3. Re:Whoa by WormholeFiend · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Too bad that people from "the land of the free" aren't allowed to visit Cuba"

      lots of Canadians go to Cuba each year, and last I heard, a lot of Americans go too, but they have to pretend they're going to Mexico instead. Alternatively, if said Americans are from States that border Canada, they can come here to catch a flight to Cuba.

      Cuban customs officer routinely avoid stamping US passports so Americans wont get in trouble with their own government for visiting Cuba and bringing in much needed US currency there.

      And if you bring software CDs there, make sure you "forget" them in a place they're likely to be found by people who will appreciate them.

    4. Re:Whoa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cuba has the most advance biomedical research capabilities in Latin America, they aren't some backwards place with huts made out of sticks.

      "Free" countries like Guatamala or Dominican Republic or Haiti need technology a lot more than Cuba does!

    5. Re:Whoa by illusion_2K · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's so true.

      Back when I was working in Zambia on a development project with a government agency, the internet access was awful. I'd say that they're probably about ten years behind north america in terms of bandwidth availibility down there.

      As for two days spent downloading Debian - that sounds very reasonable. At the place I was working, we had a microwave link with a local ISP who were OK. DSL links were about $1000USD/Month - way out of the budget of most organizations there. As to buying in pieces, I never really had to deal with that. All the computers that were bought where I was working were done with aid money so they all came together. Still, issues with the power system and so on did undermine the full potential of IT.

    6. Re:Whoa by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      I was talking about Linux distros and internet access here... not lack of doctors and medicine.

    7. Re:Whoa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Uh, no one is banned from bringing software to Cuba.

      It is your government that blocks business and technology transfer with Cuba.

      People use Linux in Cuba, They teach it at university, use it work and for research.

      Do you think more people in Haiti use Linux? Dominican Republic? No.

      Cuba has the highest literacy of any of those countries. If you can't even read you definitely can't use Linux.

      You need to stop your silly anti-communist sterotypes.

      Actually they are having Stallman give a speech on free software via videoconference to a symposium on free software next week. I'm sure Stallman would have gone in person if his government hadn't restricted his freedom of travel.

    8. Re:Whoa by DaZedAdAm · · Score: 1

      > They buy computers in pieces over a 3-4 month timespan.

      That isn't so strange really, I've been buying my computers in the same manner for about six years now. Every three or four months I buy a piece of hardware and put it in my machine, and sooner or later I end up with enough "old" parts that I have another computer. You could argue that I am just upgrading my current computer, but by the time I've upgraded everything in it I've bought a new one, right?

    9. Re:Whoa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm, actually Cuba never carried out that policy.

      Of course American news obviously wouldn't report that the law was never enacted...

      Why would you "smuggle" in some Linux CDs when Linux is perfectly legal?

      You can bring a box of 5,000 CDs and walk around handing them out, no one gives a shit, oh wait, the American government would probably throw you in jail when you got home. Hopefully you won't get in a jail run by one of those perveted guys who tortured the Iraqis since most of those guys are reserve soldiers who normally serve as cops and prison guards when they aren't called up for duty...

    10. Re:Whoa by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3425425.stm

      Cuba law tightens internet access

      Stephen Gibbs
      BBC News, Havana

      The Cuban Government is tightening its control over internet access.
      A new law coming into force on Saturday makes it impossible for many Cubans to dial up the internet from their home telephone lines.

      The move has been criticised by the human rights group Amnesty International.

      Cuba says that, given its limited resources, it needs to ensure that the internet is primarily used for the social good.

      Dollar access

      The move clamps down on the thousands of Cubans who illegally access the internet from their homes.

      From now on, it will not be possible to dial up the main government server from most domestic phone lines.

      Only lines which are paid for in dollars will have direct access. These are usually restricted to foreigners.

      Amnesty International says this is an attempt to shield Cubans from alternative views.

      All news media in Cuba is rigorously state-controlled and supportive of Fidel Castro's government.

      'For the common good'

      But the Cuban government has reacted angrily to suggestions that the change amounts to censorship.

      It says it is doing nothing more than preventing overused internet connections being clogged up by people borrowing, or selling each other passwords.

      The internet should be for the common good, it says, pointing out that it will still be available in schools and workplaces.

      Dissident groups have expressed doubt that the authorities here can control the internet as much as they might wish.

      It is true that whenever a new law comes into effect here, Cubans - who are famed for their inventiveness - tend to find a way around it.

    11. Re:Whoa by N1KO · · Score: 1

      They're also not allowed to fund the Taliban. Your point?

    12. Re:Whoa by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      I guess, you weren't around 10 to 15 years ago.

    13. Re:Whoa by LordNimon · · Score: 1
      The Taliban are (were) bad people. The Cubans aren't. There are other countries with regimes much more oppressive than Castro's, but Americans can visit them.

      All hell will break loose when Castro dies. The U.S. should take steps now to ease the transition, rather than pretend the Bay of Pigs was recent history.

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    14. Re:Whoa by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      Damn. It takes me a week to download a ISO.

    15. Re:Whoa by nizo · · Score: 1

      True, but just imagine having no computer when you started the buying process :-( Whoohoo, bought a used video card today, now all I need is the rest of the machine, which I will have in 3-4 months.....

    16. Re:Whoa by Hognoxious · · Score: 0
      Back when I was working in Zambia on a development project with a government agency, the internet access was awful.
      The bottleneck is probably the TCP/IP - bongo bridge; it tends to slow down when the drummer's arms get tired.
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  5. Nice Quote by mopslik · · Score: 5, Funny

    "They don't ask if you can program. They ask, 'do you know (Microsoft) Visual Basic?'"

    Good to see they differentiate between the two there as well.

    1. Re:Nice Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Joel Spolsky, the guy whose opinions every slashbot likes to parrot and pass off as their own, uses Visual Basic. How do the slashbots handle the cognitive dissonance!

    2. Re:Nice Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's a fucking moron whose sole achievement in life is owning a company that wrote a shitty BugZilla knock-off. Why do people take him seriously? What the fuck has he ever done?

      God, what a fucking loser. The ESR of the Microsoft world.

  6. Don't want to hear it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Methinks there are a lot of people in the mainstream developer community that don't want to hear from the likes of these people. The mainstream FOSS developer community is blazing, full-steam ahead, writing resource-intensive software that requires relatively rich hardware to run decently. They don't want to hear about the exigencies of people that don't have the advantage of being able to afford nice hardware. Such people just get in the way, with their talk of writing code that doesn't require inordinate resources to function well.

    1. Re:Don't want to hear it. by CreatureComfort · · Score: 3, Insightful


      But that is the great thing about OSS, both sides can get (and give) what they want. The resource-hog, include-every-last-imaginable-feature crew can program what they want, and the I-only-have-this-solar-powered-TRS-80 can take the parts they need and recompile.

      The ones that really do not want to hear from these people are the closed source, make-a-buck-from-every-line-of-code companies.

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    2. Re:Don't want to hear it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The mainstream FOSS developer community is blazing, full-steam ahead, writing resource-intensive software that requires relatively rich hardware to run decently.

      Whoops. You have a small mistake. Let me correct it for you.

      The mainstream commercial developer community is blazing, full-steam ahead, writing resource-intensive software that requires relatively rich hardware to run decently.

      There we go. I'm sure that's what you meant to say. Linux still works just fine on a 486, after all.

  7. South Africa by Phidoux · · Score: 1

    From a fellow African. Guys I know how it feels but keep up the good work!

  8. Mod parent troll by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1, Insightful

    We can do without shit like that here.

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    1. Re:Mod parent troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's good, coming from someone named after IRA supporters.

  9. Hopefully the government can take a cue from India by foidulus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    By investing heavily in things like broadband infrastructure etc. Large parts of Africa doesn't even have electricity or running water, much like India used to. Now India has a thriving, if not overly large IT sector(and they actually do produce stuff to help out the poor etc, though most of the /.ers focus on outsourcing).
    It's not exactly an identical situation though. The problems facing Africa are different from those facing India. Decades of civil wars, the devastation of AIDS, and inability to gather wealth from their vast raw materials, and a poor education system in large parts of the continent(people cannot even read their own language, let alone English) have left Africa the poorest area on earth.
    Hopefully with a bit of investment in broadband, electr and some donations of usable hardware, the Africans can use FOSS to help mitigate some of the problems facing their continent.

  10. Preventing atrocities? by PurifyYourMind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We've all heard about Rwanda, the civil war in Congo/Zaire, and the like. Is there any way that wireless networking + FOSS programs (e.g. weblogging tools) could be used to transmit live reports of need for aid, etc.? Throwing GPS into the mix couldn't hurt either. I wonder if wireless is cheap enough for this purpose yet, though.

    1. Re:Preventing atrocities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be cheaper and much more useful for a journalist to be there and report back to a US location by phone. The trick is to get the people on the US side to publish the information in the right location. True journalism beats a guy with a blog and a webcam any day. Assuming the journalist's work gets published in a visible place.

    2. Re:Preventing atrocities? by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Sadly enough, everyone knows who needs aid, and where they need it. The problem are political issues both in those countries, and in the first world countries who could actually offer help.

    3. Re:Preventing atrocities? by dustmite · · Score: 1

      As someone pointed out, the problems are not that we don't know 'who needs aid where' or where problems are flaring up. We have that information. The problem is not technological, it's sociological - people just do not give a f*(k. The developed world doesn't care, and it's time to stop this annoying pretense that we really care, because we don't. The world was full well aware of what was happening in Rwanda 10 years ago, and did nothing anyway. And this was not an isolated incident, it's endemic, and occurs even when the problems are caused by developed countries (e.g. Portugal pulling all infrastructure out of Mozambique, or cold war countries (US and Soviet Union) funding civil wars in the region). We know what's happening in places like Zimbabwe but we more or less look the other way. This applies everywhere in fact, for example we know about human rights violations in China but we look the other way as long as it benefits us economically. We looked the other way most of apartheid, especially when SA was effectively "helping the US" in fighting Soviet invasions in the region.

      You don't need wireless networking + FOSS programs to know where trouble spots are, you just need to open news.google.com. If you really cared, you would be doing this already. I'm not trying to flame you, but let's face it, this just is the way things are. If you really cared, you'd have done more than five minutes reading about problems in Rwanda, you'd be spending some time studying the problems and figuring out solutions. It's not a case of "hey let's just chuck some technology in there and it'll solve these problems that we don't actually know anything about". I'm also not saying that you should feel obligated (out of some stupid sense of guilt) to even want to help. I'm just asking for some honesty. If you want to help, help, if you don't want to, just admit it. Because the common empty "promises" of aid from the developed world do more harm than good, just serving to keep poor people dependently waiting for the aid rather than taking their future into their own hands. Ultimately Africa is slowly improving, and slowly beginning to grow, and to work together to solve it's own problems ... and quite frankly, it's no thanks to the developed world. The change is driven from within. So if you want to help, sure, come over and help, you'll be welcomed with open arms. But don't sit in an armchair in a comfortable secure home surrounded by material luxuries while feigning deep concern about the problems.

  11. Slashdot needs more articles like this by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The last time the IT business in Africa was mentioned, this place was bombarded by ignorant and short-sighted comments about how sustenance was a more pressing priority and that the west should concentrate on sending food aid rather than stimulating growth in industries like this. A bit like the clueless anti-globalisation protestors:
    Members of Jubilee 2000 burned a laptop computer on a beach here in Okinawa to show their disappointment with G8's failure to fulfill last year's promise to cancel up to $100 billion in Third World debt. So far, just nine countries have qualified for debt relief of up to $15 billion. Jubilee 2000 says debt relief is the first step to ending the cycle of poverty, since poor countries are spend- ing more money to pay back debt than on basic needs. "You can't eat a laptop," said Barrett. "It's a crisis, it's an emergency, and it's something that they've failed to deal with this weekend."
    Don't get me wrong, canceling debt can be a good thing, but it's good that African economies can develop intellectual property for export if natural resources are not abundant.
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    1. Re:Slashdot needs more articles like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Africa does have a lot of natural resources, gold and diamonds being among the most prominent. However, a lot of corporations have manipulated the governments(including giving money for arms in some of the brutal civil wars) to ensure that most African people do not benefit very much from those resources.

    2. Re:Slashdot needs more articles like this by sisukapalli1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They have excellent natural resources. That has become the curse. Nigeria, for example, has large oil/natural gas supplies, but the local people cannot afford oil.

      The tale of natural resources in poor countries is similar to the tales of evil kings... In those tales, the parents with beautiful children suffer (the children suffer too) because the local king takes fancy to them and makes them concubines.

      Things will not be very different if the economies develop "intellectual property" too. Property is easily stolen and can be restricted (for example, the patenting of turmeric and basmati rice). A well educated population with diverse skill set is a way forward because then the local people themselves are the assets, and multinational corporations have a vested interest in aiding peace in such regions. If it's just a matter of resources, multinational companies benefit more if there is poverty and bloodshed -- if the local people kill themselves, the corporation can just keep the resources to themselves!

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    3. Re:Slashdot needs more articles like this by aborchers · · Score: 1
      it's good that African economies can develop intellectual property for export if natural resources are not abundant


      Too bad your otherwise insightful post will be shouted down because you dared to use the words "intellectual property". ;-)

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    4. Re:Slashdot needs more articles like this by X_Bones · · Score: 1

      How will you feed, house, deliver basic utilities to, and do the hundred other things that this new workforce needs to do their jobs? What happens in five, ten, twenty years when the equipment they've invested in is hopelessly obsolete and these countries are once again on the brink of disaster? How will new handouts be paid for? And who says they're even going to be interested in doing IT in the first place? No, I think that's one of the worst ways to go about helping Africa.

      The first step for Third World recovery is to write off the debts as they stand right now. Next, instead of subsidizing Midwest farmers to grow weeds instead of food, have them grow actual food and ship it overseas; the destination countries only pay transportation costs (a way to collect even just a little on the previous debts). Then take any funds earmarked for high-tech investment and put them towards basic sanitation facilities instead and you'd have a good start.

    5. Re:Slashdot needs more articles like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The last time the IT business in Africa was mentioned, this place was bombarded by ignorant and short-sighted comments about how sustenance was a more pressing priority and that the west should concentrate on sending food aid rather than stimulating growth in industries like this.

      I'm a bit surprised this wasn't modded as flamebait. Although focusing only on short term issues like food is not in fact a good idea, I don't see any argument here for why promoting the IT business is so great either.

      Perhaps you mean that investments which might help promote jobs and support other services (e.g. hospitals), such as reliable electricity and reliable telephone service, might be more helpful to the peoples' survival in the long run?

      I'm not sure where globalization or debt-cancelling comes into play in this argument. Globalization is arguably great for people in poorer countries -- they get jobs. They might also get lots of pollution and human rights abuses too, of course. As for debt cancellation, obviously that's good for the countries which are having their debts cancelled. Some people have argued that the IMF makes loans with terms which make payback practically impossible, so arguably it's the lender's fault, which is why those debts should be cancelled. Nothing wrong with all that, but I don't see how it's relevant.

    6. Re:Slashdot needs more articles like this by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

      What I'm saying is that they have towns, roads, electricity and a middle class in Africa too. Some people post here as if the entire continent is a disease-ridden refugee camp.

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    7. Re:Slashdot needs more articles like this by Nurf · · Score: 4, Insightful


      How will you feed, house, deliver basic utilities to, and do the hundred other things that this new workforce needs to do their jobs? What happens in five, ten, twenty years when the equipment they've invested in is hopelessly obsolete and these countries are once again on the brink of disaster? How will new handouts be paid for? And who says they're even going to be interested in doing IT in the first place? No, I think that's one of the worst ways to go about helping Africa.

      The first step for Third World recovery is to write off the debts as they stand right now. Next, instead of subsidizing Midwest farmers to grow weeds instead of food, have them grow actual food and ship it overseas; the destination countries only pay transportation costs (a way to collect even just a little on the previous debts). Then take any funds earmarked for high-tech investment and put them towards basic sanitation facilities instead and you'd have a good start.


      Eeek. I was born in Zimbabwe and have lived there and South Africa. Please whatever you do, DONT do what you suggest above.

      One of the MAJOR things holding back Africa is foreign aid. The two strongest economies in Southern Africa were at their peak during sanctions. The problem boils down to the following:

      1) Forgiving debt wont make any difference, because any spare cash will be stolen by corrupt government officials. They will waste any money available and demand you forgive their debt again.

      2) Foreign aid is encouraged by African government officials because the checks and balances on stealing that aid for personal gain are much lower. This is exacerbated by aid people holding the opinion "that as long as something gets through, we're helping". This is not the case.

      3) The best way to ensure that local farmers will not grow food is to ship them food, and by so doing, completely destroy local market prices for that food.

      4) Much foreign aid is provided through organisations that benefit from skimming a small amount of the aid for "operating costs". Those organisations do not want to help people - they want people to be dependent on them, so they can ship more aid next year. "Give a man a fish a day for a week, and he'll forget how to fish"

      Your suggestion of rerouting aid for high tech investment to sanitation is an awful idea. Africa needs investment, not aid. Investment of real money by people that expect real returns, meaning that kleptocrats will not be tolerated. The people that die for lack of sanitation often do so for culteral reasons, not lack of facilities.

      One of the problems in Africa is that modern health care guarantees a low death rate amongst children. Coupled with a third world cultural outlook on children, this results in an explosion of young people, which strains education systems. The only real solution to this is to bring the standard of living up to a point where people decide they would rather have a few well-educated children rather than many children to till farmland.

      Those children will be there regardless. If they are somehow drawn in real industry instead of subsistance farming, their children and their country benefits. Don't forget that they can support themselves and their families for a year on a hundredth of your salary.

      Africa does not need people destroying their markets, and paying their officials to be corrupt and cling to power. It needs:

      a) A cessation of foreign aid, unless it is foreign aid with extremely harsh strings attached, and it is provided in such a way that it does not damage local economies, or prop up corrupt governments.

      b) Strong investment in countries that make strong attempts to rein in kleptocrats. Hopefully this should end a positive feedback loop.

      c) Nothing for nothing and nothing for free, coupled with very harsh criticism and diplomatic pressure when an official is caught embezzling. Put strings on everything.

      d) Very strong international criticism of non-democratic govern

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    8. Re:Slashdot needs more articles like this by X_Bones · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Thanks for an extremely informative and well thought-out reply. But wouldn't drastically reducing foreign aid like you suggest lead to a greater percentage of any remaining resources being embezzled by whoever is in charge? If government officials are as corrupt as you've wrote, I'm assuming they won't care about breaking contracts and won't pay attention to international sanctions.

      In addition, won't what you suggest only help countries which already have the basic facilities to support foreign investment? IT requires quite a large infrastructure behind it, and I had assumed that the discussion here was supposed to discuss only the poorest of African countries. For example, the only country mentioned in the article (Uganda) qualified for Highly Indebted Poor Countries relief; South Africa and Nigeria (the only African countries I can think of off the top of my head with a sizable telecom base, sorry) are not in nearly as bad a shape. Admittedly I don't know a whole lot about African socioeconomics, but wouldn't basic necessities take precedence over things like Internet presence?

    9. Re:Slashdot needs more articles like this by Nurf · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thanks for an extremely informative and well thought-out reply. But wouldn't drastically reducing foreign aid like you suggest lead to a greater percentage of any remaining resources being embezzled by whoever is in charge? If government officials are as corrupt as you've wrote, I'm assuming they won't care about breaking contracts and won't pay attention to international sanctions.

      Thanks for your reply. Well, a reasonable estimate of the percentage of aid that gets diverted is around 90 - 95 %. This is from what I have seen, and from members of family that have done work for NGOs. There's not much more for them to steal; if you cut aid by more than 5% they would feel it. Many of those officials only have power because of the resources they steal. The others wouldn't be there if there weren't so much low-hanging fruit.

      The government officials we are talking about regularly break contracts because they know there is no downside. Tomorrow they can fleece another aid program.

      It's true that they would ignore international criticism, but at least it would get the word out to the rest of the world about what should and should not be tolerated.

      It is true that no one thing I have suggested will help. Things have to happen in concert.

      In addition, won't what you suggest only help countries which already have the basic facilities to support foreign investment? IT requires quite a large infrastructure behind it, and I had assumed that the discussion here was supposed to discuss only the poorest of African countries. For example, the only country mentioned in the article (Uganda) qualified for Highly Indebted Poor Countries relief; South Africa and Nigeria (the only African countries I can think of off the top of my head with a sizable telecom base, sorry) are not in nearly as bad a shape. Admittedly I don't know a whole lot about African socioeconomics, but wouldn't basic necessities take precedence over things like Internet presence?

      The only facility required for foreign investment is someone honest to manage the money locally, and a some form of negative feedback for malefactors. I speak as someone who knows people that have done business in Africa by smuggling American dollars across African borders, and make deals on a handshake.

      It's true that investment in High Tech alone will not help, but you suggested diverting the money from such investment into basic sanitation facilities, which I think is a bad idea.

      My experience is that if you build such facilities for people in Africa that need them, they won't use them, because they don't believe they need them. If they thought they needed them, they would have made the effort themselves. You can only tempt them with wealth given in exchange for honest work, and help them help themselves.

      It is not for you or me to decide what they consider their basic necessities. Their choices would surprise us both. Plus, I don't see how you could arrange for them to get these necessities without giving them to them, and that is a well trodden path to disaster, as I have already shown.

      I think in the end all you can do is offer honest money in exchange for honest effort, in a system geared to reward those who provide value, and punish those who attempt to steal. Such investment would happen wherever there would be money to be made by investors, which I think would cover the entire spectrum of goods and services.

      I make no claim to be the mystical purveyor of a perfect solution, but I think the points I outlined in the post you replied to are a vast improvement over the status quo.

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    10. Re:Slashdot needs more articles like this by pluvia · · Score: 1
      sustenance was a more pressing priority
      Of course, it is; but that is true anywhere, even in the US. They are not mutually exclusive. I can only see it as a positive for the African countries that they are advancing technologically.
      that the west should concentrate on sending food aid
      IMHO, if "the west" wants to help, they should concentrate on helping them grow their own food. Teach a man to fish.
      A bit like the clueless anti-globalisation protestors
      Perhaps I am clueless, but I can't help but think that certain African countries would have been better off with isolationist policies. Becoming in debt and dependent upon external goods has caused them to essentially be under the control and mercy of foreign governments, corporations, the World Bank, etc.

      Of course, corruption (which plagues all nations of the world) is probably a key underlying cause which must also be somehow obviated.
      Don't get me wrong, canceling debt can be a good thing, but it's good that African economies can develop intellectual property for export if natural resources are not abundant.
      Sounds like you're arguing against FOSS, which is best supported by ancillary funding rather than on direct lease or sale of IP.
    11. Re:Slashdot needs more articles like this by Hognoxious · · Score: 0
      Thanks for an extremely informative and well thought-out reply.
      I second that.
      But wouldn't drastically reducing foreign aid like you suggest lead to a greater percentage of any remaining resources being embezzled by whoever is in charge?
      Not necessarily, but even if it did, a greater percentage isn't necessarily more; 100% of nothing is nothing.
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  12. I hate the acronym FOSS by h00pla · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I'm sorry, but I just had to say it. I often wonder why everything needs to be converted into an acronym. FOSS is one of the most annoying ones.

    Man 1: What do you do?
    Man 2: I'm a FOSS developer
    Man 1: Yeh... that, um, well... great.

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    1. Re:I hate the acronym FOSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Acronyms are optional. You *do* know that you don't have to use them, right?

      On the other hand, I'm more than happy when 8-10 letter acronyms stand in for ungodly-lengthed department titles.

    2. Re:I hate the acronym FOSS by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1
      FOSS is one of the most annoying ones.

      It makes guys who develop non-commercial obscure and buggy software in their basement feel "important."

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    3. Re:I hate the acronym FOSS by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      Not anywhere near as irritating as FLOSS though. I prefer "free software developer" but 99.9% of people get the wrong idea from that, so I just say "open source" and suck it the semantic fuzziness :)

  13. Relevant Wired Article by MisterLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative
    It's interesting to see another, more skeptical, perspective on Africa and open source:

    Though it may take years for any software platform in a Third World continent -- whether open source or proprietary -- to become commercially viable on the same scale as in the United States and European markets, some of the factors that have impeded the fast adoption of Linux will make Africa an interesting battleground for the open-source movement.

  14. Re:Zimbabwe/Uganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That is also true for Uganda, but in its case, the ISP over there dedicated a special number to use in connecting to the Internet at a special low rate. When I was there, I setup a wireless Internet service for some government organization with a Red Hat box acting as a gateway/mail server. To my surprise, the service provider charged US$275 (yes, two hundred seventy-five US dollars) for a dedicated 4K bandwidth! His reasoning was that he has to sign an agreement with a provider from whom he buys the bandwidth, that he has to purchase a certain amount no matter what conditions the market dictates. Here in Canada, I pay US$32 for a 1Mb which sometimes could shoot up to 3Mb/s. Africans are being screwed. I must admit though, that most of the leaders I met did not even understand what the Internet can do for them. One official who had been attacked by a virus told me "Officer, my computer now does not have Microsoft!". It took me long to understand what he meant. Do not get me wrong....the technology is there but it's very expensive for most individuals. As an example, a tea girl at that organization was being paid a salary of US$80 per month and the System Admin's salary was US$420.

    Cb..

  15. Carry it out a little farther by Neil+Blender · · Score: 4, Funny

    Man 1: What do you do?
    Man 2: I'm a FOSS developer
    Man 1: Yeh... that, um, well... great.


    Man 2: Got any spare change?

  16. Can we help them get started? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean... we are a worldwide community after all.

  17. Mandatory South Park Reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    "So Mr. Clik-Clik-Dirk, we understand you're working on some open source software... Care to comment on that?"

  18. Do you know Visual Basic? by Spoing · · Score: 3, Funny
    1. "They don't ask if you can program. They ask, 'do you know (Microsoft) Visual Basic?'"

    I feel African already.

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  19. Re:Zimbabwe/Uganda by be951 · · Score: 1
    Africans are being screwed.

    Perhaps, but keep in mind that they don't have the telecom infrastructure you do in N. America or most of Europe and Asia. There is substantial cost involved in developing and maintaining that infrastructure. Plus, there is less population (particularly in terms of users) density to offset those higher costs.

  20. Africa and America: Much in Common by handy_vandal · · Score: 1

    [the] predicament is widespread across Africa, says Ghanaian Guido Sohne, "There are not enough projects available to work on to employ the available talent..."

    Same problem in America: not enough projects to employ the available talent.

    -kgj

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  21. IQ by theantix · · Score: 1

    Right wing racist idiots like you ought to take a look at this before making claims about the importance of IQ.

    Guess what? IQ doesn't mean shit, except that you can do IQ tests really well.

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    1. Re:IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you read IQ and the Wealth of Nations, you'd see that IQ is much more than shit, it is the #1 factor influencing a nations prosperity. That this is even a question on a place like Slashdot is amazing.

      On the whole, smart people make more money than poor people, and this applies to nations as well.

      Your link to state IQs admits it has no source for the information; it is meaningless.

    2. Re:IQ by theantix · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, not enlightening to me. But this quote from your link might have some relevance to the subject at hand:

      "If chocolate-eating and acne were strongly correlated across cultures, and remained strongly correlated for decades or centuries, it probably is not a coincidence. In that case, the fallacy ignores the possibility that there is a common cause of eating chocolate and having acne."

      I think thousands of years of African history, when compared to thousands of years of White or Asian history, does quite a nice job of meeting the 'not a coincidence' test. And in that case, the common cause is genetic inheritance. Or going further, the common factor is climate; the living is too easy in Africa, while Whites and Asians had to develop the intelligence necessary to survive tougher winters and less fruitful terrains.

  22. Re:That sort of free thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    > Generally when you've been chained to a wall naked for three days you just aren't in the mood to give head!

    Aah, Catholic school. The memories...

  23. Whoa! by nametaken · · Score: 1

    Get out... they released the source for 419 lead generators?

  24. Re:Hopefully the government can take a cue from In by News+for+nerds · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What makes India today as a large IT outsourcing destination is their secondary official language which is English, and their inherent strength in math. For salary-wise Africa is superior, but considering other difficulties you can't expect growth of Africa in the IT sector so soon.

  25. Re:New category, please by tiger99 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It is because of nasty, evil, self-opinionated, racist morons like you, whom I suspect of being white, and other nasty, evil, self-opinionated, racist morons like Mugabe, who as we know is black, that the problems of Africa continue. Cut it out now, this blatant racism has gone far enough. There is no need to hate people of a different colour, or in Mugabe's case, same colour, different tribe. It achieves nothing except death and destruction in the end.

    It is far too late to stop the perceived problems spreading to Europe, in fact many of the problems of Africa came from Europe in the first place. And don't use the word "nigger", you can face prosecution for doing so, certainly in the UK.

    And before you ask, I am white, not that it should matter, any decent person would feel the same about your vile attitude.

    Someone please moderate this imbecile into oblivion.

    If we need a new category it should be "Vile Scumbags" and you should be sent there at once.

  26. Re:New category, please by RealAlaskan · · Score: 1
    It is because of nasty, evil, self-opinionated, racist morons like you, whom I suspect of being white ...

    That's an interesting suspicion. The only people whom I have ever heard use the term ``nigger'' were American blacks, so I might have suspected something else.

    You're right that the original post was a nasty troll, but not just for the racism. I'd say that the second paragraph ``Africa is lost. Build an electric fence around the entire continent ... is really more hateful than the first.

  27. Re:Hopefully the government can take a cue from In by tiger99 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    There are organisations who collect old PCs (often not very old, certainly even 500MHz machines are being chucked out by large organisations who are upgrading) and ship them out to Africa etc. Now, maybe someone should organise the software side a bit better. No point burdening the non-existent economy with the cost of a windoze licence.

    A standard configuration of Linux with OpenOffice, Mozilla, and other useful things could be put together quite easily, volunteers could copy a few CDs to help the effort.....

    Give them network cards and they can learn about networking, even if they don't have a decent link to the outside world, the local community can still have its own web server. It would have educational use, particularly health education. I don't think that there are all that many developers yet in Africa, but give them the tools and in a few years the next generation will be. But first, or in parallel with this, they need to be rid of murderous scumbags like Mugabe, they need reliable supplies of water and food, etc.

    It would not actually cost the western world very much to set the ball rolling in these areas. The African continent is fully capable of being self-sufficient if it was allowed to be, with a bit of guidance along the way. They have the potential for producing food, energy and vital raw materials.

  28. Re:That sort of free thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since you seem to equate rape with homosexuality I think it is YOU that has issues with homosexuality.

  29. Re:That sort of free thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, there aren't such clubs? It is typical of you homophobes to attack your accuser instead of addressing your problem.

  30. Re:New category, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody is to prosecute anyone, not even if they say 'nigger'!

  31. Re:Free Open Source Software Independent Laborator by tiger99 · · Score: 1
    I don't think that the pernicious evil of communism has anything to do with this, but a lot more to do with the state extracting as much work as possible, and then a bit more, from each individual, while providing as little reward as possible, lots of compulsion but no incentives. That is why the industry in communist countries was a bad joke, the output was trash.... (Actually that reminds me of an organisation in Redmond, I wonder if Sir B. is a latent communist, the company output is certainly trash, as usually is his own verbal output...) FOSS works because individuals do what they want, when they want, to make it work, with no compulsion whatsoever (except for the few paid developers, who are not actually necessary to the process, although it helps that people like IBM do pay developers...). Most of these guys have another job, often a fairly well paid one, because they are of above average ability. they develop software in their own time, often because they have a need than canot be filled by the junk products of a rotten industry controlled by a single Criminal Monopoly of very low technical ability.

    FOSS will be around long after Microtrash is forgotten.

  32. Re:Morocco by Khalid · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is a growing open source community in Morocco, there is even a Moroccan Linux distribution, we have also have a local Lug and we organize install fests and some compagnies are begining to specialize in open source support and installation, specific Moroccan programs are begining to appear, although they are still few and far between.

    Oh and by the way I am surfing on a DSL connection, we have DSL since the begining of 2004. 128 kbs/s costs 30$ without any in volume limitation

    Alas Microsoft is very very strong here, and 99% of the people still believe that Bill Gates invented the Internet. MS is very strong in goverenement too and they have recently offered bargain prices to install Linux in schools.

    But overall things are not that bad, and I see a very bright future for Linux and open source here, as MS Office price nearly equals a middle wage here.

  33. Re:Morocco by Khalid · · Score: 1

    they have recently offered bargain prices to install Linux in schools

    I reply to myslef sorry ! of course, read to install Windows in schools

  34. Re:Hopefully the government can take a cue from In by foidulus · · Score: 1

    I wasn't suggesting that they export their way out of trouble, that is not the only way to economic advantages from software. An investment in infrastructure could lead to a FOSS movement that would address local problems. A good infrastructure can inspire economic benefits in other ways than selling code. African factories are not exactly the beacon of quality of efficiency. With a good boost of knowledge transfer from outside, once again along with infrastructure(that involves OSS), they could make their factories produce higher quality goods with local materials for local consumption. FOSS and a good infrastructure can also be used to help educate children, to help out with the water supply, etc.
    Selling software is not the *only* way to get economic benefits from software.

  35. Progress in South Africa by evil+ai · · Score: 1
    Wired has a few interesting articles about the issues affecting technology's progress in South Africa:

    Racism Holds South Africa Back
    South Africa Struggles to Rebuild

    1. Re:Progress in South Africa by dustmite · · Score: 1

      Some rather overly negative (sensation to grab readers?) article headlines there. The articles themselves are a bit more rational though.

  36. The best thing - You don't have to start from zero by DescData · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would think the best thing about FOSS is that each project doesn't have to start from zero.

    It sounds like most of their projects are marginal as far a revenue. Having something close from to start from would be big plus.

    Second point. Do the developers realy need a go between to connect them with users? Maybe they need tech fairs for getting the geeks and the non-geeks togeather.

    Third point. If there is little money for anything in thier market, all the more reason for promoting respect for IP. The way to stay alive may not be fat contracts but decent residuals.

  37. Internet access is the key by Rico_za · · Score: 5, Informative

    The lack of cheap internet access is holding back Africa in a big way. Take South Africa as example (because I'm from SA and can speak from experience). Only recently (about a year ago) did the telephone company Telkom (a monopoly, without any competition, because the government is taking YEARS just to award a second network operator license) start rolling out ADSL. They charge a ridiculous amount of money for it. Currently they charge the equivalent of about $130 per month for it, and remember, it's even higher than it sounds compared to average wages. On top of that they put a 3 gig monthly cap on international traffic! Phone calls are expensive, and you pay per minute even for local calls. Basically the government needs to realize that if we can get proper, cheap internet access, it WILL do the economy good. South Africa has many engineers and programmers educated at world class universities (also talking from experience, I'm currently working at a U.K. university that's regarded as pretty good, and the education I got in SA was of a very high standard compared to this), but to compete in the global market as an entrepreneur, you need to be able to communicate cheaply. If it wasn't for the law protecting Telkom, it would be sooooo easy to start a decent phone company and run them out of business. I get so frustrated thinking and talking about this, I could blow a fuse!

    If someone in the Department of Communication reads this: Stop over regulating communications. Set it free and let it thrive, PLEASE.

    1. Re:Internet access is the key by dustmite · · Score: 1

      You're right, Telkom is putting something of 'handbrake' on the South African economy with their monopoly pricing, terrible and slow service roll-out, and artificially created bandwidth scarcity (they have a lot of international bandwidth on an undersea fiber cable that is literally unused because they heavily limit ISPs access to the bandwidth in order to drive up prices). But:

      If someone in the Department of Communication reads this: Stop over regulating communications.

      Writing on /. is not going to help. I can almost certainly assure you that Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri is not reading slashdot. If you want change, rather write well-written formal pleas to the cabinet, in writing, and CC'd to the press. If enough SAn individuals and businesses who cared got together and lobbied the government and placed pressure on government to speed up telecomms regulation reform, we'll at least have a better chance.

      Note that a new provider has recently appeared providing always-on Internet access at notably cheaper rates than Telkom using wireless 3G technology: the Sentech MyWireless product. I'm using it to write this, it works pretty well. But it's not at the level that it should be. And certainly, the legal restrictions on carrying of voice data must be done away with.

  38. Re:New category, please by tiger99 · · Score: 1
    True, but I overlooked that, maybe I thought he meant the sort of non-lethal electric fence you use to keep animals in part of a field, but on closer examination he probably means a lethal fence, Not a nice guy at all. I once had the displeasure of working beside someone like that, he was full of criticism of the way certain ethnic minorities behaved in some South London ghettos at the time (this was before the Brixton riots, may have been about 1977). Then he went and behaved exactly the same way..... Such hatred, and sheer hypocrisy, he was fairly useless at his job, with a totally irresponsible attitude (we were doing safety-critical work, he did not care how badly he did things), full of hatred and malice.....

    I see some sensible person has modded him down.

    The good thing is that if someone like that opened his mouth at work nowadays, and ethnic minorities were present, as they usually are in a moderate-sized company, he would have to be fired immediately, or the company could be in very serious legal trouble for racism. But that type still air their views elsewhere, simply stirring up mistrust, hatred and offence where none need exist.

    Most places I have worked since have been singularly free of that sort of attitude, I am glad to say, and, being Scottish, I don't get as much abuse from the English as was common once upon a time. Some things are improving, but not sadly in certain parts of the world, where they still revile each over over petty differences of ethnic origin, or even less.

    But I still say that the UK, with or without the US or the UN, ought to get rid of Mugabe, to protect the general public in Zimbabwe. Actually we have a prison in the UK that could hold the guy, a real luxury apartment, AFAIK they built two super deluxe cells for the Lockerbie bombers and only one was found guilty, or maybe that cell is reserved for Saddam? But only oil money matters to our elected rulers, not morality, public safety or human rights. Sad..... A bit of fair and impartial justice would work wonders in Africa, it would help pave the way for things we are discussing here such as better internet access.

  39. Another diss for FOSS documentation volunteers. by KevinDumpsCore · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > From the article: "Documentation is mostly done by geeks and testers, yet... it's useless... [The task of] documentation must be given to professionals."

    One question... Where are all of these paid Open Source documentation jobs?

    The road to better Open Source documentation begins with respect for the volunteers. Just replace "documentation" with "software" in the quoted text and see how you like it!

  40. Microsoft vs Open Source by tupambao · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I had posted a comment on another site as a contribution as to why I think Microsofts products will be the leading choice in Africa for at least another 5-10 years if not longer. Here are some points why I think this will be so. To create Open Source products some things have to be in place.

    1.Broadband internet connection. Anything else is too cumbersome and time consuming if not expensive. In Africa broadband still has a long way to go. If its there its terribly expensive. The use of wireless connections could help bridge this gap but it is still not as fast as DSL. Although of late 100MB wireless cards have been introduced to the market and have to be adapted in Africa.

    2. Knowledge. With this I mean that there are very few people in Africa who have a true inner working knowledge of Open Source products like Linux. There are quite a number of Linux users (mostly ISPs and maybe a few Universities) but few real hackers who mess with the source code. In short Africa needs guys with good knowledge in C and Cplusplus.

    3.Education. If you check most computer colleges and schools in Africa, they all offer lessons on Microsoft products but none in Open Source products. There are hardly any computer books to be bought in Africa and when you get them they are terriblly shallow, outdated and expensive. There are some efforts to donate books where corruption and government policy comes in creating difficulties so that in the end there is no real solution, the price has to be paid! Open Source development depends on many people who educate themselves, which means they pick up books and learn the tricks themselves and through mentors over the internet.

    4. Brands. Most Africans are brand conscious! This will surprise alot of people but that is the fact when it comes to IT issues. People go for known names like IBM, DELL, HP and such and naturally Microsoft for most software solutions. Its not easy to get people to migrate to Open Office even though its free for example.

    This are the real hurdles that I think Africa is facing in the adaptation of Open Source products.

  41. I'm disappointed by BillsPetMonkey · · Score: 1

    Africa is where Linux can make a real difference.

    I've been informed that corruption is inherent in some countries (Nigeria was specifically mentioned by an ex-resident) and believe it or not, this is the "front line" for market share with pirated Windows 2000 and Linux boxes. But 46 posts at a +2 threshold? That's low.

    Is that it? Slashbots are happy to whinge that C# isn't as crap as they hoped yet they're not willing to post about Linux's future mindshare?

    This is why I post less on Slashdot than I used to. People post like they're fighting a higher cause but they're actually just whoring.

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  42. Mod Parent Up by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

    Best argued post I've read all day.

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  43. Priorities... by sashang · · Score: 1

    Slashdot, phat bandwidth, internet gaming, ecommerce ... these are the things the people of Africa need. Food, water, shelter and stable government are relatively unimportant.

  44. Re:Morocco by Morosoph · · Score: 1

    What you're saying renders Microsoft's actions with regard to the discussion of open source in developing countries especially egregious.

  45. Re:New category, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    But only oil money matters to our elected rulers, not morality, public safety or human rights.

    You had me up till there, commie.

  46. Kunta Kinte by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1
    Hmmm... The Kunta Kinte of software development.

    For those of you too young to know/remember, there was a marvelous miniseries on television back in the 70's about Kunta Kinte, showing his life in Africa, how he got caught and brought to America to be a slave, etc. That was the show that started Levar Burton's success as an actor.

    Funny, I was just thinking about that today.

  47. Re:Nigger category, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Correction - it IS illegal in the U.S. already, in some places. People are sitting in jail for this right now.

    So much for freedom of speech.