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Royal Bank of Canada Cashes Out of SCO; SCO Begins Layoffs

jbell99999 is the first one to submit news that the Royal Bank of Canada is divesting itself of SCO stock. They're selling part of their preferred stock to Baystar, which has already indicated that they want to redeem their shares, and converting the rest to regular stock, which they can presumably sell on the open market. In other SCO news, Versicherung writes "The Santa Cruz Sentinel is reporting, SCO is laying off 10 percent of its worldwide workforce. The cuts come less than a month after the company brought on a new chief financial officer and just before the company ended its second fiscal quarter April 30." See also stories at Eweek and Linuxinsider.com.

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  1. So the moral of this story.... by LordPhantom · · Score: 5, Funny

    ....is Canadian shareholders are wiser than the US ones?

  2. Where have you been? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Begins layoffs"? Where have you been, SCO has been laying off staff for months now.

    In Santa Cruz, for example, they sliced their tech staff by like 80% or something.

    1. Re:Where have you been? by SoSueMe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Read the bottom of the "News" item.
      "Source: The SCO Group"

      That's why it began with: "The SCO Group, Inc. ("SCO") (Nasdaq: SCOX - News), a leading provider of UNIX-based solutions and the owner of the UNIX operating system,....

      I almost choked when I read the first line.

    2. Re:Where have you been? by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 5, Funny
      In Santa Cruz, for example, they sliced their tech staff by like 80% or something.

      How will this affect the release schedule for the next minor versions of the Linux 2.4 and 2.6 kernels? I've been anticipating Linux 2.6 settling down a bit before I switch and this news of SCO reducing it's tech staff by such a huge amount causes me to question investing so much of my time and energy into upgrading.

      If SCO ceases to exist, will Linux still be available!? Will they open source the code so that a group of volunteers can saddle up and take the reins from this dedicated staff of SCO developers who have put so much time and effort into making Linux the great operating system that it is? Inquiring minds want to know the answers to these questions damnit.

    3. Re:Where have you been? by Anonym0us+Cow+Herd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know how you come up with 10 pissed off lawyers.

      Last year, in June, but I think even up until October, SCO claimed to have 330 employees.

      When the recent layoffs were announced, they said they were laying off "way less than ten percent" of their 275 employees.

      275? I thought they had 330?

      Since SCO currently has 275 employees, the "way under ten percent" must mean they are laying off 27 people, which would be 9.81%.

      This leaves them with 248. This means they have lost 82 people (330 - 248) or 24.84% ("way under 25%" using SCO speak) of their workforce in less than a year. Perhaps even in just six months.

      Now since SCO didn't have layoffs until now, how do you suppose they dropped from 330 to 275 employees in the meantime? (I won't say anything about rats and sinking ships.)

      Now why do I just bindly assume in SCO speak that "way under 10 percent" actually means 9.81%? Because if it were under nine percent, they would have said "way under nine percent!". So instead of laying off 27, they could have laid off 26 (9.45%) or laid off 5 (9.09%), in which case my above quackulations would need adjustment.

      --
      The price of freedom is eternal litigation.
  3. 10 Percent of their workforce! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Man, that's a lot of attorneys out of work!

  4. Intellectual Property Claims? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He said BayStar had reached "the conclusion that SCO should focus its resources on its most valuable asset: its intellectual property claims."

    I'm sorry, which intellectual property claims were those?

    Does Baystar believe their claims of their source code in Linux are meritable?

  5. Not a Good Stock to Own by jcrash · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ouch - currently, 50% of the total float of SCOX (the SCO Stock) is shorted.

    So, for every person betting it is going to go up, there is someone betting it will go down.

    --
    I do not fear computers. I fear the lack of them. Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
  6. Re:good by DaHat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Say what you want about the policies or politics of SCO, it is always unfortunate when large numbers of people are laid off due to the problems of the company (ie those who made the bad decisions get to keep their cushy jobs).

  7. Oblig. Star Wars reference by 3Cats · · Score: 5, Funny

    Minion to Darl:

    ".. We've analysed their attack sir, and there is a danger. Should I have your ship standing by?"

    3C

  8. I know some of these people ... by JMZorko · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I live in Santa Cruz, and know some of these people who were laid off recently. I don't like what SCO is doing, either ... and I have fond hopes that they fail miserably with regards to their Linux IP litigations. Still, some good friends of mine are now without work, without prescription benefits, and in this jobless recovery, without much hope. I feel very badly for them.

    Regards,

    John, human

    --
    Falling You - beautiful
    1. Re:I know some of these people ... by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Tough Shit. They where working for the devil and they knew it.

  9. SCO Imitates Art by yorgasor · · Score: 5, Funny
    I came across this old Calvin and Hobbes strip and wondered if this is how SCO's planning meeting went

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  10. I can't help feeling... by Phidoux · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... that MS is going to end up buying SCO. Then MS will probably GPL Unix, drop all the IP suits and end up trying to look like the good guys.

  11. To get more customers by Salo2112 · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Stop suing them.
    2. Then start selling an actual product.
    3. Profit.

    I can't wait to see how Laura Didio spins this one as a plus for SCO.

  12. Re:Bre-X by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 5, Interesting
    You got it. Being a Canadian myself I would like to bask in the glory of us as a whole being smarter, better, more educated, more richeous etc., but...

    Although it starts amongst joyous meadows and cheerful flowers, truly great evil this path leads to. Evil bearing names like Abu Gharib and My Lai.

    So just note that it was Royal Bank who against all common sense invested in SCO in the first place. They are just now growing cold feet and preparing to run for the door.

  13. Investment Strategy by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I prefer to own stock in companies that:
    • Have a product
    • that is involved in sales
    • to customers
    • generating revenue
    SCO seems to have none of these things.
    --
    Some mornings it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints to get out of bed.
  14. Re:Thank "The Doors.".. by daeley · · Score: 5, Funny

    People are strange when you're Darl McBride
    Linux looks ugly when you're alone
    IBM seems wicked when you've just sued them
    Wall Street is uneven when your stock is down

    When you're Darl
    Lawyers come out of the rain
    When you're Darl
    No one won't curse your name
    When you're Darl
    When you're Darl
    When you're Darl

    --
    I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
  15. Martyrdom by AndyCap · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I do fear that the next spin on this will be martyrdom, Poor little SCO couldn't get justice before it was forced to its knees by the brutal linux movement sponsored by the behemoth IBM, or something to that effect.
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    1. Re:Martyrdom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You must have been reading the writings of Enderle (the not-so-savvy tech analyst).

      He's been saying pretty much that for a while now. Called Linux users terrorists because he got hatemail for being a moron (well, he had more "justification" than that, but what I just said is pretty much what it boiled down to in the end...) I think they're his favorite scapegoats because they often point out how dumb he is, and that threatens his livelihood of writing BS articles...

      In case you're wondering, why yes, I did spend quite a while researching him to see what his connections to SCO were after he started writing some of this nonsense. My conclusion was that he's not being paid by anyone, he's just a contrarian type who liked generating some controversy, because people calling him stupid reinforces for him the idea that he's smarter than them all, having "seen through" whatever "popular misconception" he's writing about today.

      The best strategy for refuting him is to stick to points of provable, technical error (e.g. those points which do not depend on oppinion at all, however well-founded that oppinion might be) and politely call him on them. Preferably every single time he makes those mistakes (and trust me, there are plenty...). In doing so, CC whoever he's writing for (since he does guest columns and such, mostly), and chide him for not doing better fact-checking.

      In other words, avoid any sort of ad hominem, and stick to the facts. Enough of that might get publications to reconsider his role as an "analyst" ... at least those publications who wish to be accurate (Forbes, etc. need not apply).

  16. Re:Thank "The Doors.".. by pr0c · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I were an employee there I would have been looking for a new job for months and months and months... Not because I hate SCO but because I would consider the job to be too unstable. If they couldn't have the foresight to do the same... screw em.

  17. Well... by QuasiCoLtd · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to Zdnet those being laid off are mostly in the engineering, marketing, and sales depatments. This is very telling for a so-called "tech" company to lay-off those responsible for creating and selling your core product. Of course we all know that SCO is a litigation company and has no need for engineers to improve a product, no marketers to hype the non-existant product, and no salesmen to.... well you get the idea.

  18. Re:10%? by artwells · · Score: 5, Funny

    How do you say "off a short pier" in Chinese?

  19. Gotta Love Layoff Logic by PetoskeyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Managerial Aptitude Test

    Q. Your the captain of a ship commanding 100 sailors. Your carrying valuable cargo you need to sell for the owner of the ship. It appears there is a hole in your ship and water is coming in fast. What's do you do?

    A. Find out what's wrong and fix it
    B. Tell the sailors to start bailing water and sing something happy while they do it
    C. Start looking around for at the other ships pilot since this once hasn't got long
    D. Move the Cargo to your personal dingy and set sail
    E. Tell everyone "This is not happening, everything is normal, the ship cannot be sinking, we take precautions, you know" and remain calm. (Erik the Viking)
    F. Start throwing sailors into the sea until to lighten the load?

  20. A bad thing? by tlambert · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just to add another point of view... this may be a bad thing.

    [usual disclaimers here; I'm a layperson who has to deal with issues related to things like this occasionally]

    The difference between a real company and an intellectual property holding company is that a real company has some skin in the game when it comes to treating patents as trading cards. An IP holding company doesn't.

    As a simple example, consider two companies, "A" and "B", with a patent portfolio of 100 patents each, and real products that they are trying to sell.

    When company A says to company B "you're infringing patent A17", B can use its portfolio defensively, and come back with "yes, but you're infringing patent B34; let's trade licenses".

    If company A is an IP holding company, there's nothing company B can do but pay whatever extortionate price: Company A has no product, and is therefore not infringing any of B's IP. B is pretty much hanging in the wind.

    The only place this isn't true is where B has some IP that A acknowledges is the basis of derivative IP held by A, _and_ A values the ability to continue sublicensing it without B raising sublicense fees for the original work in response to the extortion suit.

    IF SCO is, effectively shedding their vulnerable assets, and IF they really have IP assets, this could be an entrenchment where it could end up being very hard to dig them out for a very long time.

    The only real recourse to this sort of business model is for company B to attack companies that are infringing B's portfolio, and which are owned by the same people who own company A - effectively countering extortion with blackmail.

    Yeah, I'm one of those people who think we need intellectual property law reform.

    -- Terry

  21. Re:Thank "The Doors.".. by el-spectre · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most of us aren't cheering because someone is losing their job, but because the company that is being such a shit is in trouble.

    Kind of like how you might feek bad for telemarketers (the employees), but were happy when the do - not - call list went into effect.

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    "Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
  22. Naturally, Slashdot get's it WRONG. by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 5, Informative

    Good Lord. RBC is not divesting itself of SCO stock. They are converting preferred to common. Whole different thing.

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    "Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
    1. Re:Naturally, Slashdot get's it WRONG. by MyHair · · Score: 5, Informative

      They are converting 1/3 of their preferred stock at an enormous loss (13.50 vs. curent price 5.94) and selling 2/3.

      The prevailing presumption is that they sold the 2/3 at a loss and will strategically dump the common stock. Keeping the common stock after a move like this wouldn't seem to make sense, but there is probably more going on than any of us know.

      So they divested 2/3 of their stock for unknown terms, lost some benefits of the PIPE deal and are holding 1/3 of their original investment at >50% loss over 7 months. They presumably had the option to force redemption like Baystar, and being the majority investor would get their slice of the pie first. Instead they wait to weeks and pull this. Sounds like they're cutting their losses and splitting to me.

      But admittedly that's not certain yet.

      My best guess is that RBC prefered cutting losses and dropping SCOX rather than fighting about redemption, while Baystar has committed to redemption or bullying, and doubling their stock holdings for presumably a nice discount increases their leverage against SCO management and increases their redemption penalty should they win.

      RBC folded, Baystar raised, and SCO is "all in".

  23. Of course, The Simpsons reference is valid by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 5, Funny

    as apparently Mr. Burns is running SCO and has a whole team of Homer Simpsons working for him. :)

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    Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
  24. Re:Thank "The Doors.".. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know that it would be untrue
    You know that I would be a liar
    If I was to say to you
    Torvalds is a thief and a liar

    Gotta stop Linux or I'm fired
    Gotta stop Linux or I'm fired
    Try to set the source on fire

    The time to litigate is through
    No time to wallow in the mire
    Try now we can only lose
    And our company become a funeral pyre

    Gotta stop Linux or I'm fired
    Gotta stop Linux or I'm fired
    Try to set the source on fire, yeah

    The time to litigate is through
    No time to wallow in the mire
    Try now we can only lose
    And our company become a funeral pyre

    Gotta stop Linux or I'm fired
    Gotta stop Linux or I'm fired
    Try to set the source on fire, yeah

    You know that it would be untrue
    You know that I would be a liar
    If I was to say to you
    Girl, our lawyers couldn't get much higher

    Gotta stop Linux or I'm fired
    Gotta stop Linux or I'm fired
    Try to set the source on fire
    Try to set the source on fire
    Try to set the source on fire
    Try to set the source on fire
    Try to set the source on fire

  25. Not HaHa! - This may be a very bad thing. by ErikTheRed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ok, so while there is some short-term negative publicity around one major investor bailing, it leaves Baystar capital with much more power over SCO. It's widely conjectured that Baystar's recent abortive bailing-out was actually just a public slap to SCO to get them to make some executive changes. Now Baystar's leverage is increased substantially. It has occurred to myself and to others that what Baystar may be able to do is effectively "foreclose" on SCO - not in the traditional debt sense, but they'll be able to stick a gun to SCO's head and force them to replace board members under threat of Baystar's pulling out, which would effectively bankrupt SCO. Round one - replace the CFO. Round two - put some of our buddies here on the board to provide you with some sage advice.

    Then we have Baystar (the Microsoft puppet) effectively inheriting all of the IP claims (by proxy, but the result is the same), which they think are meritorious. This could result in a whole new round of litigation run by someone who's not a complete jackass.

    The new litigation may (will)also be a complete pile of bullshit, but it still ties things up in the courts for years. Be afraid, very afraid.

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  26. Even Better... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In A.D. 2003
    War was beginning

    Darl: What happen?
    Blake: Somebody set up us the DDOS.
    Mark: We get signal.
    Darl: What!
    Blake: Main screen turn on.
    Darl: It's You!!
    Linus: How are you gentlemen!!
    Linus: All your IP are belong to us.
    Linus: You are on the way to destruction.
    Darl: What you say!!
    Linus: You have no chance to survive make your time.
    Linus: Ha Ha Ha Ha ....
    Darl: Take off every 'IP claim'!!
    Blake: You know what you doing.
    Darl: Move 'IP claim'.
    Darl: For great injustice.

  27. $80 million? It was $20M before today by McSpew · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Baystar has what, $80 million in SCO?

    What? The original Baystar/RBC investment was $50 million combined, of which, Baystar's part was $20 million. RBC picked up the other $30 million. Today, RBC converted one-third of its investment into SCOX common stock. The remaining two-thirds was sold to Baystar for an undisclosed sum of money, but you can bet it's a helluvalot less than the original $20 million Baystar spent for the same quantity of Series A-1 shares in October.

    To be blunt, RBC took it in the shorts on this investment. Baystar screwed them hard. Baystar hooked RBC up with the original PIPE, and then turned around and flushed the value down the toilet with their notice to SCO that they intended to get their money back. They didn't give any indication to RBC about the grounds they were using to justify their demand for the return of capital, so RBC had to stand by and watch their own deadline for making a similar demand expire.

    Once that deadline passed, Baystar effectively had first-dibs on picking over SCO's carcass in an ensuing fight. RBC would have to wait until after Baystar got its money back (even though Baystar's investment was smaller) before making any attempt to recover its own investment. This forced RBC's hand. They could sit around and watch their entire $30 million get flushed down the drain, or they could sell (at a loss) most of their investment to Baystar and convert the rest to common stock (at a price that's nearly 2.5x the market price for those common stock shares) in the hopes that they'll get something if SCO wins the lottery.

    Unless RBC never expected to make money on this deal for some obscure tax benefit, they got hosed badly. I'd expect to see the idiot at RBC who signed off on this deal resigning very soon to "pursue other opportunities."

    Baystar, meanwhile, doubles their position in SCO's Series A-1 convertible preferred stock for a sum that's almost certainly a lot less than the $20 million they paid for the other 20,000 shares, thus reducing their average share price and giving them an ironclad fist around SCO's throat.

    Baystar's not as stupid as we originally thought. RBC, meanwhile, comes off looking much stupider than we originally thought.

  28. IP by Dieppe · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The company has come under fire in the last year since initiating controversial litigation to protect intellectual property rights on parts of the Linux operating system, source code that had been considered open source or freely exchanged technology. Recently the SCO Group notified companies using the technology in question that they would be sued if they didn't pay up.

    This might be poignant, but at least if I were to murder someone and the news media were reporting on it they would say "...an alleged murderer"... Why can't they say "alleged intellectual property rights" as SCO hasn't proved anything yet and there is still doubt here.

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    SCO... An alleged company with an alleged business plan.