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ExtremeTech Reviews Google's Gmail Beta

JimLynch writes "Gmail, Gmail, Gmail--how do we love thee? Let us count the ways! We finally had a chance to try Google's new e-mail service and we're happy to say that, for the most part, we love it! In this article, we'll give you an overview of what you can expect from Gmail, as well as what we liked and didn't like about it. We'll also tell you what we think needs to be added to make it even better."

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  1. We just want it... by danielrm26 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While write-ups on the merits of Gmail are interesting and all that, the authors of such articles need to realize that few people who read /. actually care how good it is at this point. All we care about is getting the username we want; the notion of *not* getting an account -- regardless of faults -- isn't even fathomable...

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    1. Re:We just want it... by black+mariah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The grandparent's statements are probably only applicable to those of us that only use web-based email and don't care to change to our own servers. The lack of fucking huge Flash and Javascript ads alone are enough to get me switching.

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    2. Re:We just want it... by cmacb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Forget getting a nice short ID, minimum ID is 6 characters, which ruled out most of my standard picks.

      Also spotted an error of sort in the article:

      "Gmail also lacks a built-in virus scanner. This is a must-have feature that should be added as soon as possible. Such a filter already exists on MSN Hotmail and Yahoo Mail. Given the large number of viruses out there, Gmail should provide some protection against them when users receive attachments. A virus scanner might not catch everything but it will catch quite a lot and every little bit of protection helps."

      It could be that this is something that has changed between the time of the review and now (I just got my ID yesterday), but the actually prohibit sending/receiving of executables AT ALL either as an EXE or in any of the popular compression formats.

      I suppose you could eventually figure out a way around this. I also figure that they don't want the liability of keeping up with the latest virus definitions. I don't blame them. I don't run Windows anyway.

    3. Re:We just want it... by Lord+Kano · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You seem to think that we're ALL mindless fanboys.

      I'm a mindless storage hog. I could use a spare billion bytes or two.

      I for one won't be getting a GMAIL account. Unless the featureset somehow is worth the upset, which is probably won't be, I'm not going to bother.

      Free billion bytes of storage. What more do you need to know?

      LK

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  2. Reading through this by leviramsey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...it looks like there's not much doing in gmail, save for the gig of space and a few very minor evolutions on what Opera's had for a while in M2.

    Am I missing anything?

    P.S.: I don't really see a reason to switch from mutt.

    1. Re:Reading through this by ciroknight · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Google's trying to have complete immersion in data, and combine with it the useful metadata people are not accustom to, like the easy conversation tracking that I've read about. It just seems like they're trying to push a more database-like look at our data so that it's quicker, faster, and easier to use. And a great way of pushing to that people is having a great large boat of space (1 Gig, with most emails I send and recieve totalling to 50kb, that's a lifetime's worth of email in one location).

      Just because you're not used to this presentation of metadata, doesn't mean it's not good. Look at Nautilius' new file view. I hate it, everyone else seems to love it. Just goes to show you that the interfaces really are different from person to person. Now if only GNOME would embody that spirit some more and let me move around my toolbars within applications *shakes fists*. Oh well, can't ask for everything.

      p.s. This is my theory on why iTMS is doing so well. You're really not buying a copy of the song , you could pirate that anyways. You're buying a copy of the song with a complete set of metadata, which is really hard to come by over P2P. And it's worth 99c to me to buy a song with completed metadata instead of having to complete it all myself. But once again, iTunes even fails for me, because I need a better way of looking through my artists and songs. I mean the UI is great, but it's just not perfect for me, if you understand that. Just goes to show you how important the presentation of the metadata is (and how Google has always been genius at it; KISSing always (keep it simple shorty ;).

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  3. Re:The review is a bit lacking... by kinzillah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You mean like any application that touches your mail? Like that nice spam filter?

    It isn't as though a person is looking through it. Its just a machine looking through for keywords and puttings ads on the side. It isn't even collecting stats.

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  4. Re:The review is a bit lacking... by augustz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your emails are evaluated by a computer ALREADY as part of almost every single virus and spam filtering process on the market. Most of these processes include word by word scanning to develop effective spam filters.

    Folks have raised a number of interesting privacy issues. However, I think the EFF has done a MUCH better job then many of the other groups who are literally out to lunch on this.

    If you don't trust google with your email, you can always trust it to hotmail, who will do their level best to lock you into their service, cancel your account, including advertising tags in your messages etc etc.

  5. mailing lists by JoshuaDFranklin · · Score: 5, Insightful
    A friend referred me for an account and I love it. He didn't even mention how useful it is with mailing lists. Tired of your email box being filled with 25 messages with the same subject? Gmail puts them all together like

    Linda, Bob, Fred (25) GPL the best?

    Where the first name of the latest reply is in bold. Very cool and very useful for management. I know mutt can already do this with threading, but AFAIK can't open all the messages in the thread together like gmail's conversations. This is a feature that needs to be added to every email client.

  6. Mothers Day by augustz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seeing at it's mothers day a perfect story.

    My folks aren't interest in backing up to a CD (in what format / compatabile with what), installing a piece of software on every machine they want to use email from. Frankly, I'm not either.

    They want a company they can trust, who will provide a nice clean email service with good space, and without tons of ads and menu bars and junk. That is google.

    Volunteer at an old folks home and try to get them to login even to their yahoo email account. The logins and home page are so damn busy that for an older person it is a very real challenge to get to the page they need.

    Ccheck out hotmail, you have to agree to four TOS, sign up for a passport account, check it every 30 days, pay $ for a tiny amount of space etc, they force you to accept members newsletter with product announcements etc etc... and a 140 million folks have accounts with them.

    And you say no one would want Gmail. You are out to lunch. Google is offering a TON more space, a clean interface, from a company folks like.

    They will clean up.

  7. Re:why gmail? by UpLateDrinkingCoffee · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Well, it's a full gigabyte of mail that's available anywhere you can get to a web browser. Oops, on the road and spilled coffee on your laptop the morning of a huge presentation? Well, just grab the powerpoint from the email you sent yourself. You get the idea...

    It's true you can do this with most other webmail accounts, but Google is rasing the bar not just on the total size of your mailbox, but of individual attachments as well. I would suggest encrypting any ground shattering corporate secrets, though.

    Google has also shown a pattern of providing highly usable services without resorting to gaudy "revenue generation" tactics. I like the fact that they actually seem to CARE about the user experience. This might change after they go public, but at least for now I'm looking forward to using my new gmail account.

  8. What I'd like by teslatug · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A couple of features I didn't see mentioned and that I would like:
    1 - ability to save a selection or all my e-mails offline (say a big zip file)
    2 - label contacts, and create e-mail lists (say all friends, all coworkers, etc)
    3 - bigger e-mail attachements, say 50MB (I know this will never happen as it will lead to abuses, but with digital cameras that can support short videos, this would be nice so I wouldn't have to send several messages with split attachements)

  9. Top-posting :( by h3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm depressed to see that gmail appears to use top-posting aka "jeopardy quoting" for replies.

    Maybe there is a setting, but if this is the default, then the option to change it is pointless- no one will.

    I hate getting top-posted emails. I hate trying to wade backwards in time to find out what the hell the cryptic first line refers to. Thank you Outlook for bringing this "feature" to the masses and lazy users who can't be bothered to edit quotes meaningfully for wasting bandwidth and my time. And, now, thank you gmail, for perpetuating it.

    I feel like Don Quixote.

    -h3

    1. Re:Top-posting :( by proxima · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bottom-posting works well in newgroup or mailing list discussions where people might be entering the conversation at any point. However, I've found that top-posting is most convenient in circumstances where all the conversing parties (especially if there are just two parties involved) use top-posting, as there is no need to scroll down to see the newest addition. If someone by chance enters the conversation late, they still have the info, but it's more convenienct for the majority.

      On the other hand, some posts (especially Slashdot comments) work well with inline posting. Unfortunately, this can sometimes lead to a mess and having to keep track of the carets/indenting/whatever to figure out who said what and when...thus, it works best in instances where there are few communications back and forth (again, like Slashdot responses).

      Oh yeah, and being the one person to bottom post in a series of messages is far more annoying that just going with the flow. It's kinda like the mass media using the term "hacker" when we might prefer "cracker", you're swimming upstream and humans aren't very good at being salmon (wow, terribly analogy, I know).

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