The Security Risk of Keyboard Clicks
Gudlyf writes "First the blinking LED security issue, now this: listening to tell-tale keyboard clicks to decipher from afar what a person is typing. This isn't limited to just computer keyboards -- ATM's, telephone keypads, security doors, etc. Apparently with $200 worth of sound equipment and software, these keyboard clicks can be translated to within 80% accuracy. Of course, a whole lot of this is just theory."
Now we just need some covering noise while logging in. Time for a kernel patch?
You won't believe this, I know, but it's still a fact that I know a guy who - after couple of guesses - knows what you typed on your keyboard just by listening to your keyboard clicks.
It's pretty amazing when he demonstrates that.
Nah. Think about it: pressing different spots of your screen is like pressing down a guitar string at different points. You will cause the screen to resonate with a multitude of frequencies with distinct audio "fingerprints" for different points on the screen, which can also be picked up by very sensitive equipment.
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There was a story a bit back (on Ars?) about how the government has been doing this since the 80's.
OTOH if all you want is a 6-character password, and it's typed a couple of times a day, then listening with 80% accuracy for a day may well be enough.
Maybe I am remembering wrong, but I think old ATMs used to have slightly different tones for the different buttons, which is dumb, but sounds like something some engineer would do without thinking.
This also got me thinking, I used to have an old MAC IIe, when you selected menu items (from that top mac tool bar) different pitches were emitted from the pc, they were quiet and possible actually created from the guns in the tube itself, but this type of thing could be used to figure out what ppl are doing... idontevenknow....
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This seems like this could be a new method of supporting wireless keyboards. No battery required!
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Well, while hitting the keys harder or softer may make little difference (note that the frequency is captured), doing weird tricks like
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Anyhow, the coordinator of the group would report the status of the group to the outside via computer. However there was only one computer and she typed on the keyboard by setting her hands under a shelf that masked the users typing. There was no screen. She simply made her notes, requests, etc by typing blindly on that keyboard.
At an old networking facility I worked at we had a similar system in place to enter the server room, there was a keypad set into the wall next to the door and in order to enter your code for entry you had to place your hand inside the little 4X4 box that masked/overlayed the keypad. Add in the background noise from the HVAC systems outside the room and we pretty much had/have a secured system.
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The problem can be solved easy enough with a numeric keypad. Place seven-segment displays under the keys that are randomly orientated, like
7 5 2
4 3 1
0 9 6
8
This solves the problem for ATMs. If you dim the LEDs and polarize the light, you would make it more difficult for a camera to find the password also. Obviously this only applies to a numeric keypad (for ATMs and the like) since it would be a pain in the ass to change the lettering dynamically on a keyboard (at least for the user). The solutions for those using keyboards could be as simple as using a smartcard with a PIN number (which you enter on the randomized 10 digit display). The sooner we get rid of the biggest security risk on computers IMHO (guessable passwords) the better.
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I had this teacher who also did some network consulting. He told us of a case where he knew somebody was logging on at a client's site using his password, but he couldn't figure out how his password was being hacked. He noticed that whenever he was logging in, a particular secretary used to hang around. He confronted her and she confessed to using his account. She was an experienced typist and claimed that she could figure out what he was typing by listening to the keystrokes a few times.
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As IT pros, this should have a significant impact on how you think about your IT security policies. Strong password policies are still important, but this further exaggerates the need for strong physical security for all your terminals and surrounding areas.
For many years, navy submarines have been able to identify surface ships by the sounds of their props. Not just the type, but the exact ship. Why couldn't this be applied to keyboards, especially if you monitor the particular typist for a while?
Of course you could just have the software randomize the location of the numbers each time.
I came across this type of device when entering a bank building. You had to enter a 6-digit code into a keypad to unlock the door. Each key was a tiny LCD display and the location of each digit was randomized for each use.
why not ?, whether the signal is analogic or digital, there is a signal going through a wire that, no matter the quality of shielding, is an antenna.
Today's keyboard, telephone keypads, ATM machines and even door locks have a rubber membrane underneath the keys.
"This membrane acts like a drum, and each key hits the drum in a different location and produces a unique frequency or sound that the neural networking software can decipher," said Asonov
All you have to do is stand by the ATM and press each key a few times to find out which one is making which noise.
I don't think that's true. With a guitar string, you are changing the 'boundary condition' (ie, the length of the string); with touch screen, all you are changing is the point of initial exitation. This will change the relative amplitudes of certain harmonics, but not the fundamental frequency.
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I'm afraid you're incorrect to say playing background noise would help. General background noise - even completely randomised white noise - won't be a problem for an incredibly sensitive microphone. Decent (OK, incredibly expensive) rifle mics are exceedingly directional, eliminating any noise from the sides.
If you were to train a rifle mic direct at a keyboard from say, 20 metres away in a very busy work environment you could easily pick it up. You can also use a basic 32 band EQ to remove most noise outside of the keyboard clicking frequency.
Background noise isn't really a problem - it's truly amazing what you can do with the correct equipment. For example, the USSR bugged a US embassy by donating an wall mounted American seal. It was sweeped for bugs, and nothing found. This was because there wasn't actually a bug in there - just a simple thin wire, that would vibrate with speech. The USSR then used a highly directional microphone across the street trained at the seal. They were then able to take the vibrations of the wire, and enhance them into speech.
And that was around 20 years ago, long before the sound digital enhancement techniques of today.
So I'll sleep well, but in the knowledge that background noise ain't going to help me that much. To stop keyboard noises the noise would have to be so loud you probably wouldn't be able to work anyway.
About ten years ago, I worked at a defense contractor. We had a project to identify aircraft based on the microphone clicks from their transmissions. As it turns out, radios from the same make and model have unique RF ramp up and cut off patterns. This allows you to identify a particular transmitter based on its transients.
The details of the project were classified, but I will say that, even ten years ago, the results were impressive.
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This directly brings up a question I've been pondering for a while now...
Why in the hell is it that people are willing to pay hundreds of dollars extra to quiet the noise of the fans in their computers, yet many still want noisy keyboards?
It's as if a construction worker, who is jack-hammering outside your house, comes over and asks you to turn down your stereo... It really just makes no sense to me...
Personally, I've spent time, effort, and a moderate ammount of money to quiet the noise of the fans in my computers, but I've also spent money on getting much smaller, softer, faster and quieter keyboards. The noise of a keyboard doesn't appeal to me, any more than the noise of a loud fan does.
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Nah, let's keep the clicky-clicky mechanical keyboard but add a gadget which emits random clicks not connected with any keypresses. Don't hide the data; poison them to death.
Different pairs of keys have different timings, so just looking at the timing difference gives you quite a bit of information. There's even a paper about this phenomenon which gives some numbers. It focuses on sniffing the network traffic, but the results should also apply for data that is gather accoustically.