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Road Marker Marks You

If you could make a reflective road marker (a "road stud", in the jargon) that contained a small solar cell and battery, you would be able to: A) power a LED at night to provide lit lanes, not just reflection; B) monitor for fog or water on the road surface; C) monitor the temperature to detect ice; D) use infrared ranging and embedded cameras to detect and report the license number of anyone speeding on the road; E) All of the above. If the company can make them cheap enough, they'll be everywhere in a few years.

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  1. One problem: by EMDischarge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Snow plows. Granted, you can embed them in a track in between lanes but that gets expensive over large sections of roadway. Cool idea, though, will probably be most useful in areas that don't get enough snow to warrant plowing.

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  2. Don't ticket me - control my car's max speed by dara · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As I say every time this subject comes up, I'd much rather have my car know the max speed on a given road for a given set of conditions and not be allowed to go over the max speed, than I want fancy electronics to check to see if I go over the max speed, and if I do, take my picture, and send me a ticket. I'd rather pay higher taxes than fund police through tickets (and we wouldn't need as much traffic police either if the cars were smarter).

    I claim that if no one could go over the speed limit, traffic would flow much more smoothly, and if the limit is too low (because you are expected to speed 10 mph), we will all complain loudly enough to get it changed.

    Other aspects of this project sound interesting though.

    Dara Parsavand

    1. Re:Don't ticket me - control my car's max speed by Aero · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The idea of engine governors (in any form) is great until someone gets involved in a side-impact collision that could have been avoided if they'd only been able to stomp on the gas and make the oncoming vehicle (which, engine governor or no, was still moving at more than zero speed) miss. Braking isn't always an option, nor is maneuvering...sometimes the only way to avoid a collision is to go faster.

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    2. Re:Don't ticket me - control my car's max speed by zakezuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd much rather have my car know the max speed on a given road for a given set of conditions and not be allowed to go over the max speed

      There are times when going over the speedlimit not only legal, but done for saftey reasons. Passing another car on a two lane highway is one case where it's perfectly acceptable to go 10 or 15mph over the posted limit depending on the state's local laws. Even smaller towns near where I live who depend on speeding tickets for income when I told the judge I was passing a truck halling rocks, he understood and threw it out.

      I wouldn't object to a system where my car would understand the speed limit and beep at me if i'm going over, nor would I object to a cruse control i'm able to set at that speed, so long as I can override it for passing or other emergencies.

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  3. Won't work in many parts of the North by tyrani · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the upper states (buffalo, etc) and many parts of Canada, they have a great deal of trouble with things like these. Snow plows simply pick anything not level with the road off. Even if they're dug down a bit into the pavement, they still get damaged and eventually get picked out. I don't think that it's going to work to well up here.

    Now, figure out how to do all that in a paint and then you're a kabillionair!

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  5. sorry but... by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    while people will really like these if they do only the 'safety' tasks (illuminated, warnings for fog, standing water, ...), there's no way they wouldn't be vandalized instantly if they were used for speed limit enforcement.

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  6. Re:Article Text by elmegil · · Score: 3, Insightful
    But when their insurance starts going down

    Fat frickin' chance. Price went down for CD manufacturing. Did the price at Best Buy drop any? No. Are the Insurance companies any more ethical than the RIAA? Hell no.

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  7. Re:Just make them cheap enough? by JWW · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They'd have to be durable in northern climates because anything you put on the road has to be able to withstand getting scraped off of the road by a snowplow.

  8. Re:Oh shit by Nuclear+Elephant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Makes you wonder about whether the cost of insurance will rise as a result of this. If you get in an accident and down a street light, they'll send your insurance company a bill for a new street light. If you get in an accident and take out 5 or 6 solar-powered weather computers, your insurance company will be paying out the nose for parts.

  9. The big question is costs.. by Zarquon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Initial costs, reliability, expected lifespans. The conditions are:

    1) Outdoors in extreme temperature ranges,
    2) Very high humidity, and often corrosive atmosphere,
    3) Physically very small,
    4) Reasonably immune to physical damage (salt/sand sludge + snowplows do _nasty_ things to optical windows.)

    Power has to come from batteries at night; what is the battery life under industrial temperatures (-20 to 150F, forex.) Concrete doesn't get quite that hot, but asphault does.

    You can get away with powering LEDs with a supercap and a switcher, should have a better lifespan than a NiCD or SLA, but they're physically larger and not as robust (As well as pricey.) But that won't cut it for cameras or radios. So you have to replace the batteries every few years.

    These are not traditional road studs. 5" wide?? These are huge; the normal installation methods won't work.

    I'd like to see their business case. Almost certainly relies on questionable safety increases or revenue from being a speed trap.

    My state is running a multi-year reliability study on more traditional road studs (including those nifty blue reflectors) on various roads around the area.

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  10. Re:Insurance go down?? by Golias · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Parts that wear out don't impact insurance, just the usable life of the car. Besides, cars already last a lot longer (with a lot less maintenance) than they used to. Just about any new car you buy today, unless it's a total lemon, you can expect to drive 100k before replacing anything beyond fluids, an air filter and maybe your break pads and tires. With a little extra maintenance, most of them will last well beyond 200k.

    So, if you drive 20,000 miles a year, you can expect a 2004 car to get you to 2014 and beyond, by which time the cars coming out then will be so vastly superior you will want another new one anyway, especially since you will be 10 years older and probably in a higher income bracket.

    Car bodies are now designed to give themselves up in high-speed collisions to save the lives of the drivers. I know, because a drunk driver hit my 2003 Nissan pick-up truck head on (off-set front collision... the classic horror story safety testers like to focus on), shattering the entire engine compartment to little pieced. When my ears stopped ringing from the air bag deployment, I noticed that I was not only unharmed, but listening to the music of my CD player, which continued to play through the entire accident!

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  11. Re:Oh shit by billcopc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Falling rates are a fallacious concept. Insurance, Government and other organised criminal associations are already screwing us silly, and there is little we can do against it. They will rise and rise until the common citizen decides it is no longer affordable to play by the rules, and that will result in civil disobedience and/or a really nasty war against The Man.

    Or we might just move to Mexico and give everyone the finger.

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  12. Re:Insurance go down?? by cavebear42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ever think about this?
    Where do we get reports saying that speeding causes more deaths and accidents? Insurance agencies.
    Insurance companies base rate on points.
    Number 1 reason for points, speeding tickets.
    Number 1 lobbyer against repealing speeding laws? insurance agencies.

    Non-insurance agency reports generally say that speeding doesn't make an accident any better or worse.

    We don't like speeding laws but we never get the chance to vote them away based on companies funding campaigns full of biased data. This is a perfect example of a republic failing where a democracy would have succeeded.

    The republic was made because tallying votes from every person wasn't possible so we tallied the votes for an area and let them vote as a block. Now that it is possible (diebold aside) it's time to implement the democracy.