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UPN Renews 'Star Trek: Enterprise'

Posted by CmdrTaco on from the not-sure-if-thats-good-news-or-bad dept.

Tycoon Guy writes "TrekToday reports that 'Enterprise' has been renewed for a fourth season. UPN will make the official announcement on Thursday, but production executives already told the SaveEnterprise.com fan campaign the show will be back, and the show's actors have been ordered back to work. The only snag? It looks like 'Enterprise' might be moved to Fridays next year, and Firefly fans can tell you what a great place that is..."

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  1. Good news... by jrj102 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, this is good news. Enterprise is not my favorite flavor of Trek, but it's better than nothing. Besides, there have been a couple good episodes this season.

    I'm sure some people would have revelled in an Enterprise cancellation... to them, I'd like to pose a question which always bugged me: if you don't like a show, you don't watch it, right? If you don't watch it why would it matter to you whether or not it is cancelled? It just seems so mean-spirited to wish for a show's cancellation-- over a hundred people lose their jobs as a result, and I'm not talking about high-paid actors, I'm talking about camera men, editors, janitors-- normal people. It's not fun losing a job, folks.

    Anyway... on with the flame fest.

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    1. Re:Good news... by digitalsushi · · Score: 5, Funny

      To boldly go ... and then stop briefly ... and then boldly go again, where no one has gone before!

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    2. Re:Good news... by yndrd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Because some of us remember when Star Trek wasn't just an excuse to sell toys and keep "camera men, editors, and janitors" in jobs.

      Sure, it's always been a profit thing, but once there seemed to be some soul behind it, and watching the juggernaut limping into entropy is just depressing to those of us who had any emotional connection to previous incarnations of the show.

    3. Re:Good news... by DrEldarion · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's the same with the people who wish episodes 1 and 2 (and probably 3, when it comes out) of Star Wars weren't made because they think George Lucas "ruined" the series with them. Or people who wish that any Final Fantasy game past 6 was not made (even though 7 was the second best in the series after 1, you bastards).

      Many people (myself not included) would rather have nothing at all than something they don't like when it comes to their favorite TV shows / movies / etc.

    4. Re:Good news... by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Agreed, it's become the thing to do to take pot shots at Enterprise around here. That's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinions. Here's mine: Enterprise is getting better. Traditionally, Trek series hit their prime in season three, and this is no exception.

      As for Friday nights, well, that's what TiVo is for, right?

    5. Re:Good news... by DrEldarion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

      If you don't like it, don't watch it. There are obviously plenty of people who DO like it, otherwise it wouldn't still be on the air. I, personally, don't care for 'Enterprise', but I don't whine about it - I just don't watch it. If other people do like it then hey, that's grand, they can watch it all they want. Their opinion is no less valid than mine.

    6. Re:Good news... by RatBastard · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not that Lucas "ruined" anything. It's that Episode 1 and 2 were crap! They were badly acted (from actors we KNOW can do better!), badly written, badly directed and badly concieved. The only good thing about Star Trek were the special effects, but SFX are a dime a dozen. Good stories are much harder to find.

      And yes, I'd rather not have to wade through pools of drek and offal when I want to indulge my craving for science fiction. I would rather have a few well crafted diamonds than a mountain of coal.

      That mountain of coal exists because there are some people, myself NOT included) who will tolerate anything, no matter how badly made, just because it is science fiction.

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    7. Re:Good news... by LoadStar · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Well, this is good news. Enterprise is not my favorite flavor of Trek, but it's better than nothing. Besides, there have been a couple good episodes this season.

      I'm sure some people would have revelled in an Enterprise cancellation... to them, I'd like to pose a question which always bugged me: if you don't like a show, you don't watch it, right? If you don't watch it why would it matter to you whether or not it is cancelled? It just seems so mean-spirited to wish for a show's cancellation-- over a hundred people lose their jobs as a result, and I'm not talking about high-paid actors, I'm talking about camera men, editors, janitors-- normal people. It's not fun losing a job, folks.

      Is it really better than nothing? The fact is, a bad series can have an impact on the entire franchise. The fact that Enterprise has garnered lackluster ratings - at best - and has had very few really good episodes from a creative aspect makes the chances of more Star Trek (whether it be TV or movie) less attractive to both viewers and Hollywood executives.

      To pull the argument that cancelling the series puts people out of work is rather pathetic actually. Does that mean that we should keep trash on the air, just because people worked on the series? Imagine a schedule full of shows like "The Mullets" just because people didn't want to cancel the series because it would put people out of work... *shudder*

    8. Re:Good news... by platos_beard · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, it may be worse than nothing, but its better than Voyager.

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    9. Re:Good news... by jrj102 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      News flash: If Enterprise gets cancelled the money is more likely to be funnelled into "Who wants to marry a one-legged garbage man with a severe flattulence problem" than another sci-fi show.

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    10. Re:Good news... by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only good thing about Star Trek were the special effects

      I strongly disagree with that statement. I wish I could search my history and find the previous lengthy post I made about TNG (it was a gem) but I let my /. subscription expire.

      In any case, how can you say the only good thing was the effects when you had moral issue based episodes like these (off the top of my head in 5 minutes at the office):

      • Measure of a Man (TNG - Individual Rights)
      • Symbiosis (TNG - Drug Addiction)
      • The Drumhead (TNG - Kangaroo Court run amok - scary when you consider what's going on nowadays)
      • Who Watches the Watchers (TNG - Religion)
      • The Hunted (TNG - Veterans Rights)
      • The High Ground (TNG - Terrorism)
      • Devil's Due (TNG - Religion/myth busting again)
      • The Masterpiece Society (TNG - Genetic enhancement/engineering)

      I'd also point out the good storyline based episodes:

      • Yesterday's Enterprise (TNG - Federation at the height of a losing war -- probably the model that DS9 used for the last two years of it's run)
      • Sarek (TNG - Picard has to absorb the emotions of Sarak -- a great acting performance by Stewart)
      • Family (TNG - Followup to Picard's trauma inflicted by the Borg - no reset button like Voyager)
      • The Wounded (TNG - Mission to stop another Federation officer who lost his family from getting revenge)
      • Darmok (TNG - Attempt to communicate with an alien race - probably my favorite episode of Trek ever made)
      • The Inner Light (TNG - Picard lives a lifetime as a member of another race - probably the second best episode of Trek ever)
      • Relics (TNG - Scottie's comeback!)
      • Chain of Command (TNG - Picard is captured and tortured by Cardassians - another fine performance by Stewart)
      • All Good Things (TNG - Humanity's limitless potential is revealed - what better way to end the series?)

      Those are just the TNG episodes that I can name off the top of my head (yes I'm a Geek -- but I don't know the stardates anymore). DS9 had quite a few standout episodes too -- though I think TNG tackled the moral issues more often.

      Star Trek under Gene Roddenberry was always about the story. Under Paramount it's about T&A and appealing to the unwashed 16-24 male demographic.

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    11. Re:Good news... by Daemonik · · Score: 4, Funny

      Shaaka - When the warp core breached.
      Shaaka - When he soiled himself.

    12. Re:Good news... by Kanon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm guessing that people would rather the money spent on a show they didn't like was being spent on something they did like. A good Star Trek show for instance.

    13. Re:Good news... by barawn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Their language supposedly consists of referring to historical events, but you're using standard language symantics to do the referring.

      I don't think they were really using standard language semantics - I think that was the Universal Translator recognizing certain language constructs. One can draw a parallel to people with aphasia (... in Wernicke's area? Broca's produces gibberish, wheras Wernicke's produces sentences that have word structure, but no grammatical meaning), with recognizing the form, but not the function.

      Their own language semantics would probably have been made highly efficient for describing metaphors (like a suffix for possession, etc.).

      If everything is stated in terms of historical reference, then you're recursing infinitely; you have to use a historical reference to say what a wall is, and what the action "to fall" is, and so on.

      Not really - what humans do is use functional representation in vocabulary - we create poor representation of thought in words, and use those words to describe things. In other words, we feel the emotion of failure, and create the word "failure" - this isn't a perfect thing, though, because there are an almost uncountable number of variations of the emotion of "failure", and so you'd need an uncountable number of words to represent all of those. Or you just accept that it's a poor representation, to limit it to a finite number. Note that I'm not describing a grammatical structure here - I'm describing a vocabulary.

      So, as cultures evolve, their vocabulary grows and grows, far past what's necessary for basic grammatical structure. We use words to expand our vocabulary (English, in particular, has an absolutely huge amount of words that most people never use, but which are very important if you want to express subtle nuances in language) - in that example, they used metaphors. So they still might have some basic grammatical structure, and a very basic language, but the complicated subtleties are expressed metaphorically.

      It's not crazy, though some would say that it's unnecessarily complicated, which is probably true. But some could also argue that Kanji - Oriental pictographs - are also unnecessarily complicated compared to an alphabet, but they survived as well.

  2. Theme Song by crapnutassneck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please tell me they are leaving that dreadful theme song behind.

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    1. Re:Theme Song by Skater · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm gonna go out on a limb: I think the theme song is the best theme song ever written for any series. It captures the mood of the series perfectly. The first time I heard it I didn't like it, but then as I watched the opening sequence again I realized what they were trying to do and how well the song fit.

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    2. Re:Theme Song by Paulrothrock · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It's a valid complaint. TNG, DS9 and Voyager had wonderful symphonic themes, that were themes for the rest of the musical score in the show. Enterprise has horrible music. Rod Stewart has as much to do with Star Trek as Snoop Doggy Dogg.

      Dammit, now Gin and Juice will be the theme for the next series.

      DAMN YOU BERMAN!!!

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    3. Re:Theme Song by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 4, Insightful

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    4. Re:Theme Song by DrEldarion · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dammit, now Gin and Juice will be the theme for the next series.

      These are the voyages of the starship Escalade...

    5. Re:Theme Song by chfriley · · Score: 5, Informative

      >the theme song is the best theme song ever written for any series

      I agree it is good, but it wasn't written for the series. ;-)

      It was on the Patch Adams soundtrack in 1998. (They re-recorded it for Enterprise and I like the re-recording better than the Rod Stewart version).

    6. Re:Theme Song by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...its five year mission, to style and profile, to seek out new sources of bitches and money, to boldly go where no pimp has gone before. /cue visual FX of "The Star Ship Enterprizzle," newly pimped out by West Coast Customs (drop down LCD screen!), as it slowly cruises past a planet. Snoop blasts from the racks of interstellar subs mounted on the rear decks, and the neon mounted on the underside of the ship casts a funky purple glow across the planet's surface.

    7. Re:Theme Song by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Please tell me they are leaving that dreadful theme song behind."

      There's an FAQ out there for the cartoon series Transformers. If you read the FAQ, there's a question about an acronym (the term of it escapes me at the moment) that defined an argument that would never disappear. There were two characters that were physically very similar, just different colors. (Rumble and ... Frenzy I think? The little tape dude whose arms turned into smashy things...) In the cartoon, the blue one was Rumble, and the black one was the other dude whose name I can't recall. In the comic book, the colors were reversed. The comic book people thought they were right, the cartoon people thought they were right. Result? A never-ending argument that just wound people up for no good reason.

      Every time somebody mentions the Enterprise theme-song, I think of that FAQ. Why? Because the color of that particular Decepticon doesn't mean a damn thing to the show or the comic book. Everybody's right, yet it still goes absolutely nowhere. It's just some point for people to butt heads on.

    8. Re:Theme Song by GrouchoMarx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm gonna go out on a limb: I think the theme song is the best theme song ever written for any series. It captures the mood of the series perfectly. The first time I heard it I didn't like it, but then as I watched the opening sequence again I realized what they were trying to do and how well the song fit.

      I'll admit I loathe it less than I did when the show first started. However, it's still a dumb song, and it actually got WORSE with season 3. Not because of the "jazzing up" of the music, but because they changed the premise of the show!

      The musical style doesn't fit Trek. The video sequence, however, fits perfectly. That's good. The first half or so of the lyrics do sort of fit the idea for the first two seasons. (Vulcans won't stop us from getting out in to space like my daddy wanted me to, yee haw! --John Archer) The second half ("faith of the heart" repeated over and over again) is just plain dumb, and also doesn't fit Trek.

      But then Berman decided that exploring and defying the Vulcans by being all exploration-like "wasn't big enough". So instead, let's throw in a terrorist plot (it's the in thing) and then rip off a 1980s computer game (no one will remember it) after wasting a third of season 2 building up the Klingons and doing nothing with it (because it's like, we can say Duras a lot, Trekkies know that name, right?). And then we keep the theme music that no longer is even tangentially related to the overall plot arc of season 3!

      That makes about as much sense as anything else Berman has done. That is to say, none. Fire Berman and his team and hire some REAL writers (DC Fontana, Diane Duane, Diane Carey, Peter David, all old Trek hands who "got it"), and maybe Trek will start not-sucking again.

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    9. Re:Theme Song by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Funny
      that dreadful theme song
      I think the theme song is the best theme song ever written for any series. It captures the mood of the series perfectly.

      Yes, the dreadfull theme song does indeed capture the mood of the series perfectly ;-)
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  3. Friday night? What are they, crazy? by The+I+Shing · · Score: 5, Funny

    We just know how Star Trek fans are all out paintin' the town red on Friday nights.

    What UPN should do is just send small cheap TV sets to every collectible card shop in the country, so fans of the series can watch the show while playing Magic: The Gathering in the back.

    While they're at it, they should send some Red Bull and Cheetos, too.

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  4. why? by untermensch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do they always try to drop shows when they reach their peak?
    I'll be the first to admit that Enterprise doesn't live up to the standards of TNG or DS9 but IMHO Season 3 has been much better than the first 2 seasons.

    1. Re:why? by red+floyd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Did DS9 have a babe in a skin tight suit?

      Four Words:

      Jadzia Dax
      Kira Nerys

      (or alternatively)

      Terry Farrell
      Nana Visitor

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  5. Friday isn't the worst of their troubles by proverbialcow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They should be more worried about being on UPN. Buffy fans can tell Enterprise fans what that's like.

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  6. UPN has holes on Friday night... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fridays are definitely a death slot on the UPN network. Many UPN affiliates, even some the network owns, have Friday-heavy packages to air games from the local MLB team. Stations affected include...

    Boston's WSBK "UPN 38" which airs "Friday Night Baseball" Red Sox Games nearly every Friday night in the season.
    Connecticut's WCTX "UPN 8" is part of the Mets broadcast network.
    Seattle's KSTW "UPN 11" is the flagship of the Mariners broadcast network.

    In short, it's hard to get anything to work on UPN Fridays during the start of the TV station because about a quarter of the network just plain falls apart on any given Friday night due to baseball coverage when its in season.

  7. Incredibly common with Star Trek by Killswitch1968 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This happens all the time with Star Trek for some reason; they never start out well. The first season of TNG was particularly terrible. The most infamous example being "The Naked Now", where the crew (with their standard Star Fleet issue miniskirts) became 'drunk' from an anomaly and Data had sex with Tasha Yar.
    Conflicts with the Romulans and the Borg didn't heat up until about season 2 or 3, although Q did have his fair share in the beginning.

    DS9 had a more successful start, but didn't get really interesting until Season 3 when The Dominion were introduced.

    In every Star Trek series there seems to be a counter-evil they perpetual battle, ie.
    Star Trek TOS - Klingons
    Star Trek TNG - Romulans
    Star Trek DS9 - The Dominion
    Star Trek Voyager - The Borg

    And with Enterprise it's the Xindi, but you start to feel the redundancy. Trying to out-evil Cardassians or the Borg is going to prove challenging.

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  8. However, in an attempt to "UPN it up..." by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...the ship's comm officer will now be played by Mo'Nique, who will bring her distinctive brand of head-swiveling, big booty jokes, and "You go girl!" onboard to make the Enterprise the funkiest space trip ever! Also joining the cast will be Erik-Michael Estrada of the smash pop group O-Town. The jokes will be 'out of this world' as Erik-Michael asks the captain if they can put hydraulics on the ship or at least get a "La Raza" license plate frame. The new captain of the ship will be played by the whitest man alive - Al Gore. He can't dance and his slang is busted, but he can get them through all the interstellar police stops!

    Come join the cerebral fun on UPN!

    1. Re:However, in an attempt to "UPN it up..." by dr_dank · · Score: 5, Funny

      To boldizzly goizzle wherizzle no mizzle hizzle goizzle befizzle.

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  9. The real answer is simple... by Torgo's+Pizza · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Renew Enterprise. Cancel Berman and Braga.

  10. Sci-fi fans in general... by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can never be happy. Stay with me on this one before you hit that mod button :). Basically either you have shows people liked that get cancelled in their prime, thus to be lauded forever as the best show ever if only it had been able to reach its potential...

    OR

    You have them where they go on too long and thus should have been cancelled long ago. Thus you have purists that only recognize seasons 2,3,5, but not 4 where they went to that alternate dimension, what were they thinking!.

    I guess this can be said for most shows, but it seems to apply more to scifi for some reasons. I think really only Babylon 5 went out on the perfect note, mainly because thats when it was supposed to happen.

    1. Re:Sci-fi fans in general... by HeghmoH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have two things to say to that one.

      First, there are shows which seem to avoid the problem. DS9, for example, was great. It started out ok, got better as it went along, and ended right. It wasn't too early, but it didn't drag on. Farscape was pretty much the same, from what I gather (I stopped watching it regularly around the end of season 2).

      Second, since I stopped watching TV, I'm a much happier SF fan. Bad books and movies are much easier to ignore, and much easier to find. Good movies are hard to find, but you can substitute good books until the next Minority Report, or whatever floats your boat, comes along. Neither one has to be, for lack of a better word, subscribed to the way TV shows have to be, so it's a much better experience overall. DS9 and Farscape were good, but the pain of the medium just isn't worth the chance of finding something equally good in the future for me.

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  11. Damn by RoderickMcDougall · · Score: 5, Funny

    There goes my hopes for the return of Quantum Leap :)

  12. hey, good timing! by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Informative

    Since both Andromeda & Mutant X have been cancelled, Enterprise can hire those excellent writers to improve the show. Perfect. (I kid! :)

    Oh, plus Enterprise should hire more babes - the babes of those two shows (especially Lexa Doig, the hacker 'Cowgirl' herself!) would certainly improve ratings.

    When the 'new Trek' concept was being worked on, it was apparently down to two concepts - the 'pre-Federation' concept (which we got), and a more military-themed one about a Starfleet strike force of some type, with lots of fighting. Let me tell ya - Enterprise got a lot better right after they added more fighting (and a military team aboard Enterprise, which they've totally wasted so far). It seems obvious that they chose the wrong concept.

    Though I do like what they've been doing with T'Pol, but they've basically eliminated Hoshi and others this season, which is too bad. I certainly like this collection of characters more than those of any of the other Treks, as a whole. DS9 had a _really_ annoying cast of characters. (Okay, I loved Ezri just too damned much!)

  13. Swell by GrouchoMarx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    More opportunity for Rick Berman to urinate on Roddenberry's vision.

    I know it's cool to knock Enterprise, but I've been knocking Berman since long before it was cool. :-) The man just doesn't understand what Roddenberry created, and now he's trying to compete head on with other Sci Fi or with the memory of Babylon 5. Is it any wonder Star Trek has been in a downward spiral for the past 10 years?

    Enterprise's ratings weren't good enough "just exploring" (and as they were doing a poor job of it I'm not surprised), so instead they spent a third of season 2 building up a relationship with the Klingons only to drop it at the last second to run off on a blatant 9/11-inspired warmed over mini-epic. (And stolen from a 1980s Star Trek computer game for the Commodore 64 called "Star Trek: Rebel Universe".) Everything about it is predictable, from the plot right down to the characters involved. And of course there's no tension, because we all know (since it's a prequel) that Earth isn't going to be destroyed.

    Of course, Berman isn't pitching to people who know Star Trek, he's pitching to 20-somethings that the beancounters like to pitch to. Of course, those people don't watch Star Trek BECAUSE it's Star Trek. Don't alienate your existing fan base to go after a new one that doesn't want you.

    Of course, after this season's finale, then what? Go back to exploring? Yeah, that will help ratings now that they've said that exploring "isn't big enough". Throw in another huge season-long pseudo-epic plot thread to further destroy the timeline? I don't know what they're going to do.

    On the one hand, it's Trek, yay, there will be more. On the other, this isn't the Trek I grew up on (TNG and reruns of TOS), and I wouldn't greatly miss it.

    Although moving the show to Friday night means that it won't be lasting much longer. That is how NBC killed the original series, after all.

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  14. Try merge the storyline with the TOS timeline. by wongqc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What I would love to see next season, is more on the Klingons, the Romulans....the Vulcans. How the war between the humans and the Klingons came about....The formation of the federation, Invention of tractor beams, shields....

    In short, try to channel the story to the TOS timeline.

  15. Not just Firefly fans by Our+Man+In+Redmond · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Those of us who were around for Star Trek: The Original Series remember that, after NBC was forced to renew ST:TOS thanks to the massive letter-writing campaign, they moved the show from its original 8:30 time slot (Thursdays the first season, Fridays the second) to Fridays at 10 PM, thereby ensuring that the show would never make it to a fourth season because that time slot was a ratings graveyard.

    Today with VCRs and TiVos abounding fans of the show will probably be able to catch it no matter when it airs, but still, couldn't they have found a better time slot? Seems to me it's sort of like being in a half-empty movie theater and choosing to sit in the worst seat possible.

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  16. renewal by WP+Mayhew · · Score: 4, Interesting


    I for one am glad that Enterprise will be renewed. I've never owned any ST merchandise much less been to a convention, but I have watched all the Star Trek series and I liked having them around.

    I agree that Enterprise is not perfect, but show me a Star Trek series that was?

    TOS had more than a few god-awful episodes (e.g. And the Children shall lead, Miri, Charlie X (title?).

    TNG started out very shakily IMHO as the actors/writers settled into the characters (e.g. Picard wasn't quite yet his reserved and commanding self, and Worf just snarled at everything); and for the length of the series you had many fans screaming about any episode which Troi or Wesley starred in.

    DS9 was pretty good, though I think the situation is somewhat comparable with Enterprise in that the show, IMHO, has a stronger and more interesting supporting cast than the 'starring' captain.

    Voyager had a lot of well-known problems.

    Perfect shows are rare - enjoy your favorite parts of this one and hope the other parts get better.

  17. Temporal Cold War? by tbmaddux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anyone remember that? The Suliban and all that? What happened to it?

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  18. The ST series I want to see. by soldeed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Personally, I find the usual format of star trek (one captain/crew/ship) limiting. After all there is supposed to be an entire FLEET of ships zooming around the galaxy, but it seems there is ever only ONE ship having interesting adventures. I would like to see a anthology ST series, sort of like the old Police stories series where you feature a different ship/crew every week (or two). You could use the premise of history lessons at starfleet academy to set up each episode and tie the series together. It could be called 'Star fleet chronicles' or some such. Of course, whatever type of series they make, they need better, more imaginative scripts, that aren't retreads of the same old tired themes. (time travel, alien possesion, ect.) That and I wish they paid more attention to continuity. I don't read Star Trek novels, because they have nothing to do with series or movie cannon.

  19. My gripe with Enterprise by leereyno · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My gripe with this show is that it seems to be little more than a vehicle for leftist propaganda. It only makes a half-hearted attempt at being subtle in this regard. I was greatly concerned the first time I saw captain Archer whine at the Klingons. Playing the pussy diplomat may be consistent with modern euro-centric left-wing political ideology, but it just doesn't work in the real world, unless of course you're trying to get someone to attack you. The episode about AIDS, disguised as a vulcan mind disease, was particularly insulting. I don't know about you, but I've been fully aware of the AIDS epidemic for about 20 years now. I really don't need a TV show to preach to me about it.

    What Enterprise needs to do is hire some of the writers from Farscape and wrest control away from the ideologues who think the show is there so they can propagandize.

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