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Apple Releases iTunes SDK for Windows

amichalo writes "Apple's recent release of an iTunes SDK for Windows provides the ability for third party programs, such as WinAmp and Windows Media Player, to support the AAC file format. Ars Technica has additional commentary. The SDK uses the COM interface and supports iTunes 4.5 only."

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  1. I know it won't happen... by AvantLegion · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ... but I wish iTunes would support WMA.

    Not that I have any myself, but there are a ton of radio stations that broadcast in WMA that I can't import into iTunes (you can add new stations into iTunes by copying any station into a playlist, and then editing the URL of the copy in the playlist. The new station only shows up in a playlist, instead of the Radio area, but good enough!).

    1. Re:I know it won't happen... by LordSah · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There exists a Windows Media Player SDK. Nothing stopping Apple from using it in iTunes.

    2. Re:I know it won't happen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ... but I wish iTunes would support WMA.

      I second this. About a year ago, I converted my entire CD collection to 256 Kbps VBR WMA files, because it seemed like the best format at the time for quality versus space. Now I've discovered iTunes and love how it organizes music. But I can't play my music collection in there directly; if I drag them in, it offers to convert my files to AAC or MP3 format for me. Well, if it is able to convert them, surely it would be able to just play them instead!

  2. So when are we going to see some new formats? by DaedalusLogic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So when is iTunes going to support ogg, flac, and shn thanks to or without the use of this of this SDK?
    I started using it last month over Winamp and kinda miss those capabilities... and where do you let it allow songs to flow into one another without pause? Is that option in the program?

    1. Re:So when are we going to see some new formats? by ender81b · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There is an ogg control that works double plus good for playing Ogg vorbis files under iTunes (at least on the mac and with 4.5).

      Clicky.

      I, personally, wish to god somebody would write some sort of plugin that would sort mp3's in some sane way. iTunes is absolutely horrible at handling mp3's and their various tags (or lack thereof) something winamp perfected years ago.

    2. Re:So when are we going to see some new formats? by Wildfire+Darkstar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Ogg Vorbis QT plugin has improved noticably with the most recent version. When I first tried it out, the delay in switching formats was such that it was basically unusable on a regular basis. The newest version, however, seems to work without any noticable lag at all on my Athlon XP 2200+. I can't speak for slower processors/other systems, but I was impressed enough that I actually imported my Ogg collection into my iTunes library for the first time. Truly a classy piece of work. Now if we could only get the iPod to support it, I might actually be able to justify buying one....

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  3. I don't think this does what you think it does. by Temporal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First of all, there is already an iTMS input plugin for Winamp. It has been around for some time. It uses the existing QuickTime SDK to play the music.

    This new SDK has nothing to do with that. Now, I haven't exactly had much time to review it, so I could be wrong, but what this new SDK looks like is scripting support for manipulating the iTunes interface. For instance, you can write scripts which build playlists, tag files, etc. Basically, this allows you to automate tasks that you might otherwise perform through the iTunes UI.

    On Mac OSX, such functionality has been available via AppleScript for some time. In fact, many OSX programs expose functionality like this via AppleScript -- a practice I wish were more widespread on other systems.

    Of course, Windows doesn't have AppleScript, but it does have COM, which I guess can be used in vaguely similar ways. So, they have exposed all this functionality via COM instead. The download includes some example scripts written in Javascript for creating playlists, removing dead files, etc. Of course, since it's COM, you can use pretty much any language you want to access it (including C/C++, though I wouldn't recommend it for this sort of thing).

    Kudos to Apple for doing this. They could have been snotty and kept the scripting abilities exclusive to OSX, but they instead chose to support both platforms equally.

    But, no, I don't think Winamp or WMP have anything to gain from this. Sorry.

    1. Re:I don't think this does what you think it does. by irokitt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Something I think I'd like to see is for someone to creat a Mozilla sidebar that plays/streams using iTunes. So I can surf using FireSomething and listen to my playlists at the same time. Could be good stuff. But the thing I would really like to see is a simple, easy solution to playing .aac format files in Linux, and getting iTMS to work in said platform. It'll happen, sooner or later, but I guess I'm impatient.

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    2. Re:I don't think this does what you think it does. by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Practically every KDE app has DCOP support.. while under Gnome, very few use Corba, probably due to the real/percieved slowness of it

      Actually a good ORB (such as ORBit) walks all over DCOP for RPC speed, the main reason CORBA never took off for desktop scripting is because it's API is a pain in the ass.

  4. Re:minor nag by foniksonik · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hmmm.... while you are correct, I believe that Apple knows that real developers will understand exactly how to use this SDK.

    They also know that this news will get published internationally and be a major PR move for them... so, they use a dumbed down version that more laymen and would-be technology editors and reviewers can understand so as to get the most bang for their PR buck.

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  5. misleading quote by G�tz · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Apple's recent release of an iTunes SDK for Windows provides the ability for third party programs, such as WinAmp and Windows Media Player, to support the AAC file format.
    They mean the DRMed AAC format by apple, there have been winamp plugins for the AAC format of the MPEG standards for a long time, even open source (but patented).
    1. Re:misleading quote by Temporal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There have been Winamp plugins to support the DRM'd iTMS AAC's for some time as well.

  6. Hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Has anyone downloaded the SDK?

    It consists of just two files, plus documentation and samples.

    The two files are a 4KB .C file, and a 406KB .H file.

    Yes, 406KB. Good lord, that's one big header! :-) Is anything in iTunes not scriptable?

    1. Re:Hilarious by Ilgaz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ever seen Applescript applications? They even sell some of those commercially (shareware coders)! Its virtually possible to code a little game with applescript even.

      http://www.apple.com/applescript/

      The hilarious thing is IMHO, the Windows Scripting Language caused nothing but trouble on windows. I remember back in my windows days the first thing I did was disabling it after I do fresh install.

      For example, I use Applescript built in mail.app to check my IMAP box limits..

  7. So... by Ilgaz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Realnetworks wish has come true? This SDK is good for streaming too?

    Real was speaking about moving to Dolby formats from Sony Atrac3 (I bet Sony itself too).

  8. Re:Thinking of posting about AAC performance.? by Ilgaz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In fact, even I like the idea of pure opensource, license free codec, I stay away from Ogg for "psychological" reasons.

    I got real, real tired of Ogg showing up on every single Real,Quicktime story and people being fanatical evangelists for Ogg format. I bet the authors doesn't like it too.

    Also with a little plugin on OSX, I can make iTunes use Ogg instead of AAC on my ripped cds... Well, I prefer AAC myself. Sounds more natural, especially on bass part.

  9. Re:Finally by lotsofno · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A lot of Windows users have done pretty good without the SDK so far, in terms of iPod connectivity. If you need any proof, just look at ml_ipod, the open source iPod plug-in for Winamp. It integrates itself seamlessly into Winamp's media library and even has a couple hidden features you might not see with iTunes or even in other 3rd party applications like Ephpod. I know more than a few people who've already switched to Winamp for better iPod connectivity, including myself.

    Strangely enough, I've actually heard developers say they won't even touch the SDK: "The .h file is 10k lines. iTunes' bloat is infectious."

  10. Re:Thinking of posting about AAC performance.? by RoderickMcDougall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You've linked a listening test. Its extremely debatable whether frequency based tests are better than listening tests. Apples and oranges.

    For one thing the frequency tests show quite well the relative rolloff at the end of the audible spectrum which is a very key factor in the sound sounding crisp. (128 to me is easy to spot)

    Furthermore the variety in the quality of the listeners ability to discern detail in audio will completely skewer the results - many people cannot even tell between 128 and CD let alone discern between relative codecs.

  11. Re:minor nag by LordSah · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You can get away with packaging everything up into one nice executable for college projects and applications of limited scope (perhaps apps to serve html from servers). Client applications need to reuse code, dynamically link libraries to save on code size (page faults will kill you way more than loose loops), and interoperate with binaries made by different people (it helps if they're allowed to use languages to suit their needs). COM is a very nice way to accomplish all that.

    Realize that COM is, for programmers, a means to define a strict interface to an object. People can re-implement that object, improve it, fix bugs and swap it out with the existing one without having to send you a new .cpp file, .lib or even a recompile. It's the benefit of abstraction with a .h file, with none of the pain.

  12. Finally! by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now I can create an icon for the taskbar that will make it easy to control iTunes. This is how their icon should work now, but doesn't:

    Single-click: toggle play/pause (update icon when paused).

    Double-click: next song in playlist.

    Right-click: context sensitive menu (same as now).

    Hover: Display tooltip with album artwork and other information, including info on next track in list.

    Obviously these should be user-configurable actions, but those defaults would be nice.

    Then if they'd let me hide the program in the taskbar when minimized, I'd be all set.

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  13. Shameless Plug by nukey56 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I cooked up a script that converts all iTunes playlists to M3U playlists to import into Winamp in the case of a migration attempt.

    Hopefully this doesn't cause too much of a karma burn seeing that iTunes appears to be the preferred player around here.

  14. SlimServer Support? by theroterts · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder if this will allow the Slim Devices' Slim Server to have the necessary hooks to stream DRMed iTunes songs? Their FAQ states that Apple has not provided hooks to stream protected files. Slim Server was developed for their Sqeezebox, but the server software is open source and will stream just about anything you throw at it. Good stuff.

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