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Berners-Lee on the TLD Explosion

kmccammon writes "Tim Berners-Lee recently released a white paper outlining a number of justifications for stalling (at least temporarily) the expansion of the top-level domains. Among the reasons cited: bad economics. As evidenced by the .biz and .info debacle, more top-levels does not necessarily mean more domain name availability. All it really means is that every .com/.net owner now needs to rush out and buy the same name under each new TLD. Thus, the 'value of one's original registration drops. At the same time, the cost of protecting one's brand goes up.'"

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  1. There are only a few that matter by MacFury · · Score: 5, Insightful

    .com .net and .org are really all that matter. The average joe equates .com with the internet.

    1. Re:There are only a few that matter by surreal-maitland · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and don't forget .edu . . .

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    2. Re:There are only a few that matter by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But why does Sony want sony.org? .org was supposed to designate a not-for-profit group. Seems to me that if registrars only registered domains as per the orginal vision: .com for commercial, .org for not-for-profit, .net for network admin, etc. everything would work out pretty well.

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  2. I'm sorry... by ericspinder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    but I don't believe that one needs to snap up every version of domains saying apple, home, or even localhost. More TDL's give more people the right to a short easy to remember name.

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    1. Re:I'm sorry... by Carnildo · · Score: 4, Insightful
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    2. Re:I'm sorry... by Scott+Robinson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Each of which is a different website. This just supports the parent's statement.

      What was your point?

    3. Re:I'm sorry... by SnappleMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      DNS needs a hierarchical name structure so that the data can be delegated in a what that keeps load somewhat manageable.

      A flat namespace would be pretty much impossible unless you did something very different. But it you could easily dream up ways to make it work, e.g. you could run some arbitrary hash function over a flat name to assign it to a "TLD" for resolution purposes.

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  3. Stop and think by Nakito · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Forget domain names for a moment. Think generally. What stops anyone from choosing a business name that unlawfully incorporates another company's name? What stops anyone from creating the "Kodak Cafe" or the "Microsoft Bar and Grill"? The answer is: trademark law. Why isn't this enough? Why make such a big deal about trying to solve a problem that's already solved? Create all the TLDs that you want. I guarantee that if someone other than Kodak tries to register Kodak.blah, the registrant of Kodak.blah will be shut down. It's a non-issue.

    1. Re:Stop and think by LPrime · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not for small companies. Its hard to enforce copyright law when you are a small buisness.

      Most of the sites that use the new TLDs are
      A) Scams
      B) Squaters
      or C) Fakes

    2. Re:Stop and think by lycono · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What about those that don't have the money or time to sue? Individuals, small companies, etc?

      Plus, I think you've proven one of the points made in the article:

      At the same time, the cost of protecting one's brand goes up.

      Lawsuits cost money....

  4. Re:Relative failure of new TLD's by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All mail from .biz domains goes straight into the dumpster 'round here.

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  5. Yeah yeah yeah. Though maybe he'll be listened to. by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My rant on the subject:

    http://www.archeus.plus.com/colin/dns/

    Again...

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  6. The problem with new tlds is by Roland+Piquepaille · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Traditional TLDs have passed into everyday english. When you phone someone and say "hey here's my email: xyz at something dot com". People on the other end kind of expect a "dot com" to end the email. They can tolerate a "dot net" or "dot org" because they're very common (less so for emails). National TLDs are common too, for the nationals concerned, and other people in the world who see them regularly.

    But "john at cia dot info"? "robert at shackled dot mobi"? these extensions are so uncommon nobody wants them in their emails, or FQDNs, because almost invariably people go "uh?" hearing them. They just don't stick.

    New TLDs are a catch-22 problem: people won't use them because they sound alien, and they sound alien because people don't use them.

  7. The concept of TLDs by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is rather outdated to me. I agree with the idea that the tree structure doesn't fit the net anymore. I'd say we should open it wide- with the new hard drives coming out, all top level DNS servers should have 10 TB of space- and anybody who wants to can start a new TLD company. That way, the price of registration will fall until registering any domain name is trivial- and we'll get human language based domain names as a big plus. Of course, I'm already doing this in the framework- my company, Information-R-Us (link not included in hopes of avoiding slashdoting, my DSL line can't take it) has a domain name that is just a rearrangement of the punctuation- in the .us TLD of course.

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    1. Re:The concept of TLDs by CyberKnet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd say we should open it wide- with the new hard drives coming out, all top level DNS servers should have 10 TB of space- and anybody who wants to can start a new TLD company

      - Hard drives still cost money.
      - High performance computers still cost money.
      - Colocation and bandwidth still cost money.
      - Admins still cost money.
      - Redundant backup schemes still cost money.
      - 24x7x365.25 high availability still costs money.

      Why should another company finance this for you?

      The tree structure does work. It just doesn't work when:
      a) You do not want to pay for it
      or
      b) When someone else has the name you want.

      And in those cases, you are just sweet out of luck. Try convincing your local office space rental to let you have an office and signage for free because there is so much office space around, and it really doesn't cost that much anyway. If you get free office space for life let me know, I obviously need to move my own business headquarters.

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    2. Re:The concept of TLDs by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, it sounds outdated to you because you have no idea what you're talking about. Fashionable is it?

      Oooh, look information-r.us isn't registered. Should I? Should I? Direct it to a porn site? Maybe you should register that one quickly, before someone else does. Oh, and you might want to get information-r-us.com/net/org as well.

      Get a clue. In a completely flat namespace, which is what you are suggesting, you're going to have to register pretty much every combination you can. Just like now.

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  8. Re:Use IP Addressing again? by Ianoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1. Take a web address (e.g. http://www.slashdot.org/)
    2. Look up the IP address (e.g. 66.35.250.151)
    3. Convert to Hex (42.23.FA.97)
    4. Concatenate (4223FA97)
    5. Convert resultant integer to decimal (1109654167)
    6. Go to http://1109654167/ in Mozilla

    Voila. This only works if virtual hosting isn't being used, and doesn't work in IE. Google is on http://3639556963/, useful if your DNS servers go down.

  9. Re:You forgot one very important TLD! by GammaTau · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For those who live in a geographical area other than the US, the local TLDs can be very important e.g. .de for Germans, .fr for the French etc.

  10. When ".tv" was being promoted... by callipygian-showsyst · · Score: 2, Insightful
    When the ".tv" folks were heavily promiting their domain, I was working at a Big Media Company.

    The general consensus among us was that "the war was over, and .com won." It wasn't even worth registering these "new" domains. And if someone else used BigMediaCompany.tv in a way that infringed on our trademark, we'd just sue their pants off.

    It was almost like extortion. They could keep creating .TLDs and large corporations would be scared into registering their names in the new domain. It's a guaranteed source of revenue for TLD owners.

    Sometimes I wish they kept the original distinctions between corporate, education, networks, non-profits, etcs. I'd say that most .net owners don't confirm to the original spirit of .net.

  11. a side issue by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    what ever happened to the whole "all internet porn has to end in .xxx" or ".sex", etc.

    seemed like a good idea to me then and still does now

    seems easy to enforce... if you distribute porn and you register a .com, you are opening yourself up to legal action

    and then it is trivial to keep kids away from it without having to play tread water to keep your lists of porn sties up to date

    and no, there is no slippery slope (pardon the pun): sites on breast examination for breast cancer, etc., seem pretty straightforwardly NOT prone to confusion... if you registered someone as a .com site, and someone challenged you, they would lose

    so what gives? how come this idea seemed to have disappeared?

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  12. Why this wo't work by rs79 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Placing unrealistic obstacles in the way of eveyrbody is not the Internet way. That's the ISO way and look how stunningly successful THAT was.

    NSI tried to enforce .net registrations. What they found was dishonest people were able to get .net domregs and honest people were inconvenienced at best and denied at worst.

    As to verifying identity this is at odds with the greater consumer demand for low cost registration. Just how much work are YOU willing to do for six bucks? How often will you reverify the name? While it's possible to verify some US identities with existing services for under a buck this all falls apart once you say "outside the US".

    Whois is a convenince, not a technical requirement. At the end of the day the DNS is a system for naming computers on a network, the additional whims and desires various humans put on top of that are the subject of great disagreement.

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  13. Unrestricted TLDs would destablize the Net. by mbauser2 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If anyone was (easily and accessibly) able to create their own TLD and sell (or give away) names underneath them on their own terms, it would reduce the motivation for businesses to go and snap up every single variation of their name under every TLD.


    Instead, it would encourage every lunatic and his brother to "create" as many TLDs as they can think of, in case they think of that accidentally becomes valuable. It would just move domain-speculation up the TLD level. We'd have TLDs being created nearly at random, not used, poorly managed, and dropped when "the registry" loses interest. Try to picture an Internet where an entire TLD can become nonresponsive just because the "anyone" who created it doesn't want the job anymore.

    The Internet would not be served well by TLDs becoming as undependable as the average domain. While I'm not convinced that ICANN is perfect, I am pretty sure that we need some vetting and regulation of new TLDs to make sure that TLD registries are serious proposals, and not fly-by-night operations.
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