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Child Porn Probe Uses Live Internet Wiretap

rrkap writes "The Sacramento Bee is reporting that Jason Heath Morgan, a suspect in a child porn case was subject to the first 'live internet wiretap.' According to the story, 'Technology used in the surveillance is very similar to a phone tap. Agents attached a monitoring device to Morgan's phone line, then tracked his Internet activity from remote computers.' This packet sniffing was authorized by the PROTECT Act - officially Prosecutorial Remedies and Other Tools to End the Exploitation of Children Today Act, which authorizes such tapping of internet connections."

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  1. For the love of Jehovah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Prosecutorial Remedies and Other Tools to End the Exploitation of Children Today

    Will these forced acronyms never end?

  2. Not .. Exactly by CrankyFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It sounds like when they investigated him the act was not in force yet and they had to actually get a judge to agree to the tap; that makes this not a particularly interesting or scary story -- judges have had the ability to approve taps to compromise our privacy for a long, long time now.

    It looks like PROTECT might make this at the discretion of the prosecutor which is, obviously a Very Bad Thing[tm], but it's not all that relevant in this case, it seems.

  3. Well, this doesn't bother me on privacy-wise by DreadCthulhu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This issue doesn't seem to be a big deal, for the privacy issue - the authorities did have to go to a judge and get a warrant first, just like they would for a phone tap or for an in house search.

    1. Re:Well, this doesn't bother me on privacy-wise by Curtman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not a revolutionary change to the way things are done, it's just a technology being used in a very slightly different way

      I beg to differ. If they present evidence at your trial where they have your voice on tape describing a crime, that's one thing.. But presenting a log of bits with your IP on them as evidence to a non-technical, ill-informed, pedophilia hysterical jury, they might just believe that it necessarily proves that you committed the crime. In this day and age of botnets, and sasser worms, that scares me a bit.

  4. Seriously... by 222 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    you still need a judge to ok something like this, and who *really* wants to bother supporting child porno slime.
    These guys followed the letter of the law, and im glad they caught the guy. Case closed.

  5. Exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not far fetched to assume an overly zealous agent might consider planting evidence on a computer either. They already do this in a variety of other cases. Sometimes they are caught at it, a lot of times they aren't, and you can't tell. And there's a lot of prior cases to prove the point, the miami cops busted planting guns on suspects, trying to clear themselves of murder. the texas prosecutiors and cops who "flaked" (that's the cop slang term for it, it's so common, taken originally from gold mining and planting gold flakes I think to make a mine look better)) hundreds of people in this small town with drugs that weren't drugs, getting convictions, sending people to jail.

    There's just something spooky about it. Child porn is a real problem, but we can't deny government lying isn't a problem as well. It's a serious major problem, ongoing, chronic. Just now on drudge headlines they are investigating a secret service guy for falsifying evidence/perjury in the martha stewart case. And remember the FBI "crime lab" tests scandals of a couple of years ago.

    The bad guys commit crimes, but we have a much harder time exposing the "good guys" who really aren't. Look at all the controversy about iraq now, the weird circumstances around 9-11, prisoner abuse, etc.

    1. Re:Exactly by julesh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gnutella, Freenet, and other file sharing networks are rampant with child pornography. I have yet to see any outrage in particular over this.

      Then you haven't been looking very hard. Most file sharing discussion boards have frequent "what can we do to stop all the child porn... nothing, it's technically impossible to stop this kind of thing" threads. (E.g., this one).

    2. Re:Exactly by julesh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Forgot to comment on this in my previous reply.

      How do we prevent child pornography, how do we report it? I would suggest that plugins be provided to automatically scan for these items and forward significant results to the FBI or the ISP that the user is coming from. At the very least we have a moral responsibility to create software that prevents child pornographers from proliferating on the Internet.

      And how do you propose we do this? All right, a few years ago it might have been vaguely feasible to stick a keyword-scanner plugin that automatically reported anything that looked dodgy, but these days about 50% of the legitimate content (that is, people trying to promote perfectly legal porn sites, just about the only completely legal purpose file sharing networks are regularly put to) has strings of keywords added to the end that don't have anything to do with the content. There are tens of thousands of files out there with either "lolita", "underage sex", "1[23456]yo", "schoolgirl", or some other keyword that might once have meant something, but a very high proportion of these aren't what the keywords suggest, and the filename tends to make this clear. I remember coming across a whole bunch of files that were labeled "not underage porn".

      Until we have working AI that can analyse the content of the files and come to at least a 99% accurate conclusion, there is nothing that can be done on a technical level, as far as I can see.

      Sorry.

  6. Going about it the right way by Chatmag · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm glad to see that the Feds are pursuing predators online by using methods that will stand up in court, rather than the questionable tactics used by the vigilantes of Perverted Justice

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  7. do they ever bust the guys making the porn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do the feds ever actually bust the guys making the porn in the first place i.e. doing the real explotation. Or do they always just bust some sorry shlub who tried to download some old .jpeg and never touched a kid in his life?

  8. Re:Before You People Start Ranting by Tim+C · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes - due process is due process, no matter what a person is accused of.

    People involved in creating kiddie porn are scum, but that's no reason to treat them differently, especially before their guilt has been proved. In fact, if anything given the general attitude towards crimes of this type, even more care should be taken.

    A few years ago here in the UK, there was general outcry after a little girl was abused and murdered; it sparked off a number of demonstrations by people demanding that the public be made aware of the locations of known sex offenders. During this time, a paediatrician was hounded out of her home and forced to move because people incorrectly associated her job title with paedophilia.

    It's a highly emotive issue, and so you have to be very careful. Saying the wrong thing to the wrong person "because it's kiddie porn" may well get innocent people killed.

  9. Who's at the computer? by sam1am · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the advantages (assuming they use it this way) is a real-time wiretap lets them confirm who is actually *at* the computer when something's happening. A log, unless combined with large amounts of surveillance, can not necessarily be correlated back to an individual. But now, they can see illegal activity and go look at who's doing it while it's happening.

    (Hopefully they are, and aren't just assuming the owner of a computer is the one breaking the law..)

  10. Thing is... by demonhold · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the Macarthy (sp) era you only had to point someone and scream "red", "pinko", "commie" and that individual's life was done for. Down the drain for good...

    What tell us that in the near future someone won't cry "pedophile" "child abuser" "terrorist" and your life goes down the drain. And nowadays evidence is soooooo easy to fake, and juries tend to be so damned illitare...

    This is not the whole thing, though, with worms and virus and spywares doing the gods know what to your computer, using your storage for the gods know what purposes, who can assure us that we won't wake up some day to the sound of the police storming our door and the press cameras getting us labeled as "worse than scum" for the rest of our life...

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  11. Very distrubing double think. by twitter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The PROTECT Act - officially Prosecutorial Remedies and Other Tools to End the Exploitation of Children Today - gave authorities the right to tap into a suspect's computer to catch child abusers, including Internet pornographers. ... When Sacramento agents made their request in August 2003, the wiretap provision had not yet been used, and authorities had to convince a federal judge to grant the authority.

    That article is very disturbing. It admits that the old system worked while glorifying the newfound ability of police to wiretap anyone they feel like. It's hard for me to understand how the reporters, Stanton and Walsh, were able to twist their brains into missing the big picture.

    How on Earth can this case be seen a triumph of ghastly new police powers? This creep was caught despite the inconvenience of judicial oversite and due process. The issue is a simply put in the US Bill of Rights, amendment 4 to the Constitution:

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    That is, your house will not be violated unless reasonable evidence presented and sworn too in a public court of law.

    "Terrorism" and kiddie porn are declared serious enough to remove this protection but the removal for some crimes eliminates the protection for everyone. Without that public record and oversight, anyone can be tapped as a "suspect". The potential for abuse is enormous. PROTECT is a perverse name indeed.

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