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Blimps... In... Space...

LandGator writes "MSNBC reports a California company with an alternate launch site in Texas, JP Aerospace, is on their third test of a blimp system specifically designed to fly to space. Blimps. To Space. At payload costs around a dollar a ton to LEO. Their concept, first unveiled at the Space Access '04 conference in Phoenix last month (with a blog report here, include the Ascender, a ground-to-near-space blimp, which docks to a helium-inflated two-mile-long station at the edge of space, over 20 miles up. Another ship, also a blimp but specifically designed to reach orbit, takes the payload from there to LEO, using well-proven electric propulsion (AKA 'ion drive'). That trip to LEO would take up to nine days, but that's a good thing; for, what goes up fast, must come down fast, and speed is energy which must be bled off by either massive amounts of expensive and explosive rocket fuel, or through ablative heat transfer which has its own problems (as we have seen before). JP Aerospace has flown many PongSats -- micropayloads the size of a ping-pong ball -- for balloon or rocket-launch. Over 1,500 PongSats have flown to date, which demonstrates a track record in near-space few of the X-Prize contenders can approach. Oh, yes, the Air Force is interested."

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  1. Re:Potential for a disaster by apraetor · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Hindenburg was filled with hydrogen, not helium. Hydrogen burns, helium does not. Besides, the Hindenburg was painted with some rather flammable compounds..

  2. Re:Couple of things... by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, let's work it out. Assuming an ion Drive can produce a net thrust of 0.01g (.0931 m/s). LEO is around 7600m/s. That gives 81362 seconds, or 22 hours. Obviously they're planning on much lower accelerations than even that, but low forces build up over time.

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  3. Re:Altitude != orbit -- The beginning of the end by stripe · · Score: 5, Informative

    That is what the ion engine is for. They calculate it will take 9 days to acclerate the craft to 8km/s.

  4. Re:Crap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is stupid, I swear noone has any vision.

    First, they're talking about 20 miles up for this two-mile 'lily-pad'. At 20 miles, we still have atmosphere, so we still have buoyant(sp) forces acting. Since there's a buyoant(sp) force at work, orbital mechanics can be damned. Your airship doesn't fall back to Earth because it's lighter than air.

    Are you with me, then? You have a lovely two-mile long launch platform. From here, you launch another, smaller balloon with even less density and a few ion engines. This smaller balloon floats up as high as the remaining atmosphere allows. At this point, we'll say that the balloon is 'floating' on the very top of the Earth's atmosphere. It won't go down (buyoant[sp] force) and it won't go up (gravity). At this point, as long as the ion engines can beat the force of gravity, you have acceleration.

    Acceleration, even small amounts of it, mean a lot in a vaccum. Give it a couple weeks and you'll find yourself speeding along at 8 km/s. Let go of the object you want in orbit and use the same ion engines to slow down. Physics being what they are, you should wind up back where you started with the same amount of velocity as when you left. At which point, you'll be 'floating' on the top of the Earth's atmosphere and you can manipulate your airship to get back down to the 20-mile-high 'lily-pad'.