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Gartner: Linux Servers Booming

Tarantolato writes "According to a recent Gartner report, low-end Linux server shipments grew significantly in the first quarter of 2004. Part of this may be due to the comeback of the relational database market in 2003, where Linux growth was especially strong, while Windows growth was weaker. There is mixed news for Sun, who saw growing shipments but declining revenues in Q1 of 2004."

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  1. Meh, statistics by stratjakt · · Score: 1, Insightful

    To say linux server sales are up 27% means little if the volume is low.

    If I sold one last year, and three this year then I can talk about 300% growth, but that number is meaningless.

    Yeah, linux is gaining ground, but has a long way to go.

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    1. Re:Meh, statistics by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wonder what sort of increase the MacOS server market showed? It also means little if servers are being shipped with XP or even no OS, and being loaded with Debian after delivery. I doubt it takes into account systems built in-house either. Statistics show only what gatherer wants them to show.

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    2. Re:Meh, statistics by jbplou · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What moron would by a system to be a database that comes with XP lets be realistic if you are shopping for server hardware you can buy it without an OS and also the MS OS would be Windows Server 2003 or 2000 possibly. Database servers aren't run on desktop pcs.

    3. Re:Meh, statistics by Vengeful+weenie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You really haven't seen much if you think that all data is housed only on enterprise class servers. I often have the distinct impression that most data is stored on old dekstop machines that never get backed up, and rarely get patched.

    4. Re:Meh, statistics by topdogqqq · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Statistics can be misleading, but I know at our University many of us no longer order servers with windows. Just this week we are ordering 3 servers with no OS that will get Debian installed. When I look around I see many others going this way too. It's not at critical mass yet but it is substantial and I see the writing on the wall, Microsoft will be slammed hard. They won't die by any means but they will be humbled to the level they deserve within a few short years. Every server I buy without a Microsoft product helps and I have no doubt that they feel it. Just their FUD based marketing against linux shows that they are already being impacted. It's real hard for a server salesman to sell MS Windows servers when the customer says, "But, I can get Linux for free and it's better". Rock on

  2. Great news, but is there a typo? by coupland · · Score: 4, Insightful

    According to Gartner, revenue of Linux-based server hardware rose 57.3 percent over the first quarter, while commercial Unix server revenue fell 2.3 percent.

    Is it just me or does 57.3 percent growth genuinely impress you as well? I can only assume the article contains a mistake since it claims 57.3 percent revenue growth for linux-based servers over the first quarter which means "in three months". This strikes me as unlikely, unless Linux is actually destroying everything in its path. Shouldn't this read year over year in which case the 57.3 percent growth happened in 12 months, not 3. Can anyone confirm for sure? Regardless this is fantastic news, it's been a many, many years since we've seen genuine competition in the OS market.

    1. Re:Great news, but is there a typo? by 0racle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Percent increase isn't impressive without hard numbers. Were there 100 or 50,000 shipments of linux servers the year before? Shipping an extra 57 this year isn't much, but an extra 28,650 is. So try not to wet yourself over this, there are no actual numbers, just some nice sounding percentages.

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    2. Re:Great news, but is there a typo? by j0hndoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Regardless this is fantastic news, it's been a many, many years since we've seen genuine competition in the OS market.

      Really? I've been reading articles for YEARS about how Linux was Microsoft's biggest threat. Starting with those insane "Linux IPOs" in 1999/2000. And Microsoft pointed at Linux in the anti-trust trial. (ok, that was self-serving, but it ended up being true anyway). This isn't really anything new at this point. The numbers are just confirming it.

  3. Oracle versus SQL Server by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This isn't Linux versus Windows -- it's SQL Server versus Oracle. Shops are choosing Oracle and then choosing Linux as the platform (given that it's largely irrelevant what platform it runs on). The submission implies that it was a toss up between Windows and Linux, and after choosing Linux they started looking around for a RDBMS.

    1. Re:Oracle versus SQL Server by sloanster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      it's largely irrelevant what platform it runs on

      um, Oracle would beg to differ with you on that one - and speaking for myself as a customer, I am keenly interested in what platform it runs on...

    2. Re:Oracle versus SQL Server by flinxmeister · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wish my company would do this. They chose Oracle on Linux a couple years back with a single (mediocre at best) developer as the admin. The resulting and expected crappy experience resulted in a decision to go with Sun.

      But instead of going with serious Sun hardware we now have a whole slew of entry level sun servers that routinely sweat under even moderate loads. Even then, they just incrementally buy small servers for *every* function. (It's like NT shops used to be, except twice as expensive).

      The server admins have, at this point, kind of a glazed humorous look in their eyes. If we'd made an intelligent choice between Linux and Solaris (even if it resulted in a hybrid situation), we could have saved thousands and thousands of dollars and have a managable situation. Instead, it's insanity.

      Word to the wise: Don't believe the hype and TEST THE SETUP WITH COMPETENT ENGINEERS!. You'd think this would be common sense...but alas...we seem to be made to suffer. It's our lot in life.

    3. Re:Oracle versus SQL Server by iabervon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It doesn't matter to most customers. Most customers don't plan to interact much with the OS on their database servers, and want to use whatever Oracle says will be best. They just want the best-supported configuration, which means that they'll use exactly what Oracle installs (or has Red Hat install), and won't change anything. Of course, it's a significant milestone therefore that Oracle is pushing Linux (and moving to it internally), because that means that it actually has the best TCO for that kind of system, because Oracle knows that they get all the money that doesn't go into the customer's TCO on the database.

    4. Re:Oracle versus SQL Server by fritz1968 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most customers don't plan to interact much with the OS on their database servers, and want to use whatever Oracle says will be best.

      I believe that there is another reason that Oracle is "recommending" the linux platform and I am a little surprised that no one has yet to metion it: Oracle CEO Larry Ellison.

      I thought that it was common knowledge that Ellison hates MS. Or at the very least, he wants his company to be better than MS. If that is the case, then why would Oracle want to "recommend" that their customers use the Windows platform to run oracle? That is just more money into MS's pockets. By "recommending" linux, then there is less money going to Microsoft.

      Another thought is that by keeping MS out of the picture and recommending Linux, the less likely that their client will be stolen away by MS in favor of the MS SQL server. I wonder how many times (if any) that Oracle lost a client to MS SQL server because the consultant who setup the server suggested SQL Server?

      just a thought...

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    5. Re:Oracle versus SQL Server by Mr.+Piddle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (given that it's largely irrelevant what platform it runs on)

      Apparently, you never experienced the joys of Oracle 8.1.5 on Windows NT. Oracle really is at home on UNIX/VMS; Windows is just window dressing for Oracle.

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  4. Is because competitors are not free market by argoff · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Copyrights have nothing to do with free market property rights, but are rather like government regulations about what people can do with information. But the GPL, has found a 'loophole' in these restrictions - and is far more accountable to free market forces. People who have closed software are going to continue to pay huge opportunity costs as the market takes off again.

  5. Re:zeitgeist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I think the parent makes a valid point, double figure percentage increases in the server market mean little when your OS counts for a mere fraction of the desktop market. You may try and modbomb this away, but in the end Slashdot is not the world, googles zeitgeist however, is.
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  6. Re:zeitgeist by 1lus10n · · Score: 3, Insightful

    thats desktop, not server. More importantly that number cannot be accurate since just about every method of checking that can be modified. (and in many cases it is)

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  7. Re:Gartner by NonSequor · · Score: 4, Insightful

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  8. What is a low end linux server? by cft_128 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder what they qualify as a 'Low End Server'? Only uniprocessor? Quad Xeon with an ultra320 hardware RAID? Any x86 Linux box?

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  9. I have 2 servers that were stripped of Windows. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They were initially purchased to run Windows apps. When the Windows servers were upgraded, I grabbed these two and put Linux on them.

    So, four sales for Windows (two initial servers and the two replacement servers)
    -and-
    No sales for Linux
    -but-
    Actual deployment is 2 servers for Windows and 2 for Linux.

    (That isn't 50% of our servers. We have almost 20 Windows servers because the apps don't play well with each other.) I expect there are a lot more installations like mine out there. The sales percentages (particularly the $$$) will not tell you the real picture.

  10. Re:What was Microsoft's server growth? by Canberra+Bob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you had read the article, Linux isnt kicking MS in the slightest. MS sales were UP, and their market share stayed the same.

    Linux market share increased, but certainly not at the expense of MS.

  11. Re:zeitgeist by ry0n · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have 5 computers running (or almost running) at the moment. Only two of them ever visit websites / use google. Oh, and I'm not a business. All of these machines are for my entertainment and/or utility. If I understand the zeitgeist correctly, those computers don't exist. Or, more simply - who surfs the web on a headless database server?

  12. The problem with Gartner reports and Linux by Glamdrlng · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sometime last year I set up a linux snort server at work. Certainly a low-end server, by most standards. Did Gartner take this into account? I certainly didn't tell them, and I doubt they monitored me as I downloaded the iso's.

    If gartner's stats are strictly based on data from redhat, IBM, etc, how can they possibly account for all of the "other" installs? I certainly hope these stats won't be used to calculate market share...

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  13. Wrong. by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: 0, Insightful

    If I sold one last year, and three this year then I can talk about 300% growth, but that number is meaningless.

    What makes that number particularly meaningless is that that would actually be 200% growth.

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  14. Re:More Servers with Less Money Spent by Keeper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Skipping the Linux v. Windows v. Sun debates. The main gist of the article is that there are more servers being thrown up at a significantly less cost.

    You've obviously never seen how much it costs to purchase an Oracle license...