"such as, well, the right to have property in the first place, and not have it taken away by someone stronger and with a bigger gun!"
No, in this country the government will take it for them and claim its "for the betterment of the public". Which means that theory is a load of shit.
"your libertarian ideals are indeed better (good luck with that...)"
The majority of people who have it explained to them come to understand rather quickly that it is indeed a better way. However most people - nay almost all people in this country believe that they only have two choices. Thats a fallacy put forth by people like you who are afraid of having to actually earn what you have.
Your argument about africa has nothing to do with a free market or libertarian society. Matter of fact most of those governments are less corrupt than ours - they just dont have the power and influence to screw everyone over. Thats left to the drug dealers and slave owners. No different than it was in the western world 600 years ago - just more modern weaponry.
(and if you believe the reason we are where we are right now is governmental interference in day to day life I suggest you remove your head from your ass and start reading about the events in the world in the late 1700's - and not just the ones in this country)
Because powerful people fear freedom for the masses.
Even in the ancient Greek and Roman societies that started this mess known as democracy - the powerful and influential were a level above the commoners. No different than here in the USA today. (If you think otherwise consider that although we have moved past some of the barbaric attitudes held in ancient times we still treat the "upper class" as if they are special or somehow more worthy than the commoners, this is amusing and sad considering the vast majority of them inherited their wealth.)
Who stands to gain the most in a Libertarian society ? The common man. Who stands to lose the most ? Those in power. Who gets to control the decision ? Those in power.
It is not lost on most educated people that the reason we are the only major developed country in the world with a two party system is because our country is young, naive and lazy. Countries who have been through this song and dance before know better than to have the government control every aspect of daily life. The most recent attempt at running a major country like that was Soviet Russia - that worked out splendidly.
Libertarianism is not a political party - its an altruistic goal that any person can hold regardless of party. The act of being a politician or being involved in politics is one of balancing what you believe with what is attainable. As Obama's fanboys will soon be reminded of.
The 20th century belonged to the united states because Europe spent the better portion of it blowing itself to hell, rebuilding and then doing it again.
The US never really suffered from the effects of WWI and WWII like Europe did. Add into that the fact that the US sold weapons and materials to the parties involved and *bam* you have a 60+ year domination.
You will however note that the past 30 years have seen the US becoming less and less dominant, and losing its edge in critical fields (Math & Science are only the beginning). Add into that the fact that we've spent the last decade being a bunch of head in the sand religious nuts and you'll quickly start to realize that the bailout, these wars, social security etc etc are all one massive failure - namely the pending failure of our entire system. Based on the government doing what it was never intended to do.
Thats what the supreme court is supposed to be for. Checks and Balances lest we forget. Even if they go that route its not unimaginable for the court to stop them.
I'd go so far as to say that if the politicians in office are going this far to subvert the fundamental principles of this country then we really are screwed - and heading for a Soviet style collapse.
"I do think the voters are getting what we want on average"
No, they are not. Thats specifically why things keep failing. The president thats leaving office, the economy, our rights etc etc.
Thankfully we cant easily muck about with the Constitution - now if only people would start paying attention and remember that their trivial needs at this moment are NOT as important as the principle of this country (and by extension the long term health of this country).
If you believe the government does it better than private companies your a fool. Pick up a history book.
The fact that there is no choice to using the interstate doesnt change that fact.
I do not use the post office, I dont even know when the last time I mailed a letter was. I ship things via carriers with modern tracking systems - UPS and FedEx. Not surprisingly the private companies are light years ahead of the Gov't.
Government run internet ? Get ready to fill out forms du jour, stand inline, get an "internet license", and have content regulated and commercialized to death - just like everything else they got their greedy hands into. (See: TV, Radio etc)
Politicians are (and always have been) far far more greedy than business's -- and they dont even provide you with anything in return.
The reality is there almost always needs to be a "person in charge" - even if its only a benevolent dictator.
Find people who want some relative independence (less hours or less politics) and who are responsible to partner with. Even if they only have average skills they are invaluable.
EMC is actually doing quite well, and Netapp is kicking ass as well. The only shops that actually look at cost/GB as a measuring stick are small shops, or shops with very specific needs.
Large corporations, government and high tech companies are usually more concerned with management costs, retention, migration and so forth.
Not to mention getting into things like actual storage utilization - often thin provisioning and deduplication (see: Netapp) cuts your utilization so far down that you can purchase systems two or three models below what you were looking at before hand.
I cannot imagine managing multiple sites with multiple TB of data inside of just a Linux or Solaris box. Talk about a nightmare.
Like most things in your post thats wrong. Stop believing in the Obama campaign as the source of all your financial info. The correct statements would be pick one:
My retirement fund is now worth half what it was
This recession has actually caused my retirement fund to shrink
Or my personal fave: What the hell ! You mean we can't buy big houses, SUV's and rack up credit debt endlessly ?!?! What do you mean we have to 'compete' for jobs ? Whats this crap ?? Dont choo kno I'm an American !!!
Its time to sort the wheat from the chaff. Man the fuck up. (and spread that to your friends, and their parents too - the great depression was FAR FAR FAR worse than this and they were not whining as much as people now either.)
Yes, if you have 10 years experience, or a degree and a handful of experience you too can be a rack monkey at google.
Thats his point. No Ph.D. no good job, good location and involvement in good projects. Once a company becomes large enough it takes some luck to be able to move from the bottom tier to anything else, and honestly why bother if you can get a job someplace else off the bat that pays better and allows you more satisfaction (time worked, projects worked on, career growth & flexibility etc etc)
I call BS, thats the only wikipedia page for any car of that age with MPG stated, and it doesnt cite a source. I'd be amazed if the car got more than 15 mpg. (I've spoken with quite a few old car owners who can attest to the crappy mileage)
Thats the description of everyone who is employed by every for profit company in the world. Period. Sales wench's are no exception.
Given that statement - your belief that somehow your situation is the only one that matters is laughable. Next time you decide to criticize them perhaps you might want to consider applying for a job in IT. Its good pay for something that you clearly view as being easy, perhaps even trivial.
A properly configured switch on a network that is configured to support it will not have an impact.
That implies: 1. IT was allowed to buy proper gear. 2. IT employed the right people to configure said gear. 3. The office was designed with this purpose in mind. 4. The user follows the assumably documented proceedures.
or 5. You asked and there was adequate time and/or gear to support the request.
On the other hand the outright rejection of your request implies: 1. IT didnt have the budget to buy the right gear. 2. IT doesnt have the right staff. 3. Nobody told IT that this conference room or office should be supporting this purpose. (also see #1) 4. You didnt listen. 5. You were "that guy" - you know, the one who assumes his problem is the only one, his department is more important etc etc. Namely the loud asshole that everyone hates.
For the record: Keeping the network healthy is what enables THE VAST MAJORITY of users to do their job.
If you think IT should account for every possible want you can generate then I suggest you prepare to sacrifice some of your budget and headcount to accommodate it. It also might be worth getting rid of the useless twats who are managers in 90+% of the IT shops out there.
You forgot Sun, IBM, Oracle and almost every other shop not named microsoft. Hell even the freaking government has people contributing.
Now why dont you tell me how many closed source companies produce crap and go out of business (most) ?
The same amount of closed source fails as open source. Its just a lot easier to be close minded about it when your holed up in your corporate bubble writing crap code that nobody will ever see or use. Its like being a great author who just happens to be a technical writer for the local project management office. Why bother to aspire to greatness when you can string along mediocrity.
(and in the spirit of the election) You must be an obama voter !
I tend to think the reason that data or "logical" security is not viewed as mature is more linked to the dynamics of the situation.
Steel from a Bank in the US, EU, Canada etc from a location in North Korea, China, Venezuela etc. Even if you get caught your probably not going to jail. Further than that there is no physical limitation. Physical limits are harder to overcome in terms of cost, time, visibility etc than logical limits will ever be.
(ie the wild west was the wild west not because they didnt know how to secure things, but because people were still willing to risk stealing things despite the cost. The barrier to entry is that low in logical security.)
Why anyone would consider this a problem is beyond me. These are two completely different objectives.
The software footprint on a desktop/laptop is huge. A server shouldn't have anywhere near that much crap installed/running.
Clearly this is the mindset that got windows into the server market. Its also the reason that I chuckle when I listen to windows admins try to talk about technical problems. (if it involves the word "click" or "icon" your doing it wrong.)
So here's a quick summary: Fedora - Developers distro, not for servers and not for the "set it and forget it" crowd.
Debian Stable - Fully "set it and forget it". Literally.
CentOS/RHEL - Its the same thing. Literally. You might not like it because it "feels" like a kludge, but Red Hat isnt trying to win fan boys hearts, they are trying to win the war. Step one is to get people to stop talking about linux like its kool aid. (I like "my distro" best !)
The war doesnt start on people's desktops. It starts on their office machines.
Ubuntu - Desktop OS goes server. Change known quantity items for untested stuff because the guiding hands are college kids and hipsters.
The reality is this story shouldnt even be a story. The OS is obsolete. Apache, Squid, Oracle, Sendmail/Postfix, Jboss, Weblogic, Websphere, *LDAP, P* etc etc. They all run on every platform out there, the key is getting all your network, storage and platform (hardware + OS) items in a row so that the top level application can be spooled up and out in minutes.
Google accomplished this by writing middle tier software to allow spanning of thousands of systems (relatively) transparently. For those of us without that much time and money the next best thing is to standardize our platform and manage it with proper tools (ie puppet, splunk etc).
"If you develop a major illness, you will not necessarily think that it is such a good deal."
If however your young, healthy and able to stand on your own why would you want to pay 7% into social security, 7% into national health care, more into other social programs etc etc when you'll never see a dime ? At least in Europe the work week is shorter, the expectations of people are more properly aligned, religion knows its place, there is culture etc etc
There is a reason that up until world war 2 the people in this country were considered backwards hayseeds. If you seriously think the national healthcare bit is going to turn out any differently than social security your insane.
Obama is about as likely to change things for the good (as it is measured by the average american) as I am to run for president.
Out of all four people involved right now (Obama, Biden, Mccain and Palin) I'm more enthused by the change the "rookie" from Alaska has brought about in her time in office than Obama.
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"such as, well, the right to have property in the first place, and not have it taken away by someone stronger and with a bigger gun!"
No, in this country the government will take it for them and claim its "for the betterment of the public". Which means that theory is a load of shit.
"your libertarian ideals are indeed better (good luck with that...)"
The majority of people who have it explained to them come to understand rather quickly that it is indeed a better way. However most people - nay almost all people in this country believe that they only have two choices. Thats a fallacy put forth by people like you who are afraid of having to actually earn what you have.
Your argument about africa has nothing to do with a free market or libertarian society. Matter of fact most of those governments are less corrupt than ours - they just dont have the power and influence to screw everyone over. Thats left to the drug dealers and slave owners. No different than it was in the western world 600 years ago - just more modern weaponry.
(and if you believe the reason we are where we are right now is governmental interference in day to day life I suggest you remove your head from your ass and start reading about the events in the world in the late 1700's - and not just the ones in this country)
Because powerful people fear freedom for the masses.
Even in the ancient Greek and Roman societies that started this mess known as democracy - the powerful and influential were a level above the commoners. No different than here in the USA today. (If you think otherwise consider that although we have moved past some of the barbaric attitudes held in ancient times we still treat the "upper class" as if they are special or somehow more worthy than the commoners, this is amusing and sad considering the vast majority of them inherited their wealth.)
Who stands to gain the most in a Libertarian society ? The common man.
Who stands to lose the most ? Those in power.
Who gets to control the decision ? Those in power.
It is not lost on most educated people that the reason we are the only major developed country in the world with a two party system is because our country is young, naive and lazy. Countries who have been through this song and dance before know better than to have the government control every aspect of daily life. The most recent attempt at running a major country like that was Soviet Russia - that worked out splendidly.
Libertarianism is not a political party - its an altruistic goal that any person can hold regardless of party. The act of being a politician or being involved in politics is one of balancing what you believe with what is attainable. As Obama's fanboys will soon be reminded of.
The 20th century belonged to the united states because Europe spent the better portion of it blowing itself to hell, rebuilding and then doing it again.
The US never really suffered from the effects of WWI and WWII like Europe did. Add into that the fact that the US sold weapons and materials to the parties involved and *bam* you have a 60+ year domination.
You will however note that the past 30 years have seen the US becoming less and less dominant, and losing its edge in critical fields (Math & Science are only the beginning). Add into that the fact that we've spent the last decade being a bunch of head in the sand religious nuts and you'll quickly start to realize that the bailout, these wars, social security etc etc are all one massive failure - namely the pending failure of our entire system. Based on the government doing what it was never intended to do.
Thats what the supreme court is supposed to be for. Checks and Balances lest we forget. Even if they go that route its not unimaginable for the court to stop them.
I'd go so far as to say that if the politicians in office are going this far to subvert the fundamental principles of this country then we really are screwed - and heading for a Soviet style collapse.
"I do think the voters are getting what we want on average"
No, they are not. Thats specifically why things keep failing. The president thats leaving office, the economy, our rights etc etc.
Thankfully we cant easily muck about with the Constitution - now if only people would start paying attention and remember that their trivial needs at this moment are NOT as important as the principle of this country (and by extension the long term health of this country).
If you believe the government does it better than private companies your a fool. Pick up a history book.
The fact that there is no choice to using the interstate doesnt change that fact.
I do not use the post office, I dont even know when the last time I mailed a letter was. I ship things via carriers with modern tracking systems - UPS and FedEx. Not surprisingly the private companies are light years ahead of the Gov't.
Government run internet ? Get ready to fill out forms du jour, stand inline, get an "internet license", and have content regulated and commercialized to death - just like everything else they got their greedy hands into. (See: TV, Radio etc)
Politicians are (and always have been) far far more greedy than business's -- and they dont even provide you with anything in return.
+1
The reality is there almost always needs to be a "person in charge" - even if its only a benevolent dictator.
Find people who want some relative independence (less hours or less politics) and who are responsible to partner with. Even if they only have average skills they are invaluable.
EMC is actually doing quite well, and Netapp is kicking ass as well. The only shops that actually look at cost/GB as a measuring stick are small shops, or shops with very specific needs.
Large corporations, government and high tech companies are usually more concerned with management costs, retention, migration and so forth.
Not to mention getting into things like actual storage utilization - often thin provisioning and deduplication (see: Netapp) cuts your utilization so far down that you can purchase systems two or three models below what you were looking at before hand.
I cannot imagine managing multiple sites with multiple TB of data inside of just a Linux or Solaris box. Talk about a nightmare.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/08/idc_q308_disk_storage_numbers/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TACLANE
Who said anything about a VPN ?
(half my retirement funds are now gone).
Like most things in your post thats wrong. Stop believing in the Obama campaign as the source of all your financial info. The correct statements would be pick one:
My retirement fund is now worth half what it was
This recession has actually caused my retirement fund to shrink
Or my personal fave:
What the hell ! You mean we can't buy big houses, SUV's and rack up credit debt endlessly ?!?! What do you mean we have to 'compete' for jobs ? Whats this crap ?? Dont choo kno I'm an American !!!
Its time to sort the wheat from the chaff. Man the fuck up. (and spread that to your friends, and their parents too - the great depression was FAR FAR FAR worse than this and they were not whining as much as people now either.)
Yes, if you have 10 years experience, or a degree and a handful of experience you too can be a rack monkey at google.
Thats his point. No Ph.D. no good job, good location and involvement in good projects. Once a company becomes large enough it takes some luck to be able to move from the bottom tier to anything else, and honestly why bother if you can get a job someplace else off the bat that pays better and allows you more satisfaction (time worked, projects worked on, career growth & flexibility etc etc)
I call BS, thats the only wikipedia page for any car of that age with MPG stated, and it doesnt cite a source. I'd be amazed if the car got more than 15 mpg. (I've spoken with quite a few old car owners who can attest to the crappy mileage)
Well said sir !
Your job is to help the company make money.
Thats the description of everyone who is employed by every for profit company in the world. Period. Sales wench's are no exception.
Given that statement - your belief that somehow your situation is the only one that matters is laughable. Next time you decide to criticize them perhaps you might want to consider applying for a job in IT. Its good pay for something that you clearly view as being easy, perhaps even trivial.
A properly configured switch on a network that is configured to support it will not have an impact.
That implies:
1. IT was allowed to buy proper gear.
2. IT employed the right people to configure said gear.
3. The office was designed with this purpose in mind.
4. The user follows the assumably documented proceedures.
or
5. You asked and there was adequate time and/or gear to support the request.
On the other hand the outright rejection of your request implies:
1. IT didnt have the budget to buy the right gear.
2. IT doesnt have the right staff.
3. Nobody told IT that this conference room or office should be supporting this purpose. (also see #1)
4. You didnt listen.
5. You were "that guy" - you know, the one who assumes his problem is the only one, his department is more important etc etc. Namely the loud asshole that everyone hates.
Or
6. They simply didnt have time.
For the record: Keeping the network healthy is what enables THE VAST MAJORITY of users to do their job.
If you think IT should account for every possible want you can generate then I suggest you prepare to sacrifice some of your budget and headcount to accommodate it. It also might be worth getting rid of the useless twats who are managers in 90+% of the IT shops out there.
And the problem with this theory is that closed source software somehow succeeds the majority of the time, or even a large part of the time.
It doesnt. It fails, just like F/OSS.
Get used to failure, with your attitude its going to occur quite a bit in life.
You forgot Sun, IBM, Oracle and almost every other shop not named microsoft. Hell even the freaking government has people contributing.
Now why dont you tell me how many closed source companies produce crap and go out of business (most) ?
The same amount of closed source fails as open source. Its just a lot easier to be close minded about it when your holed up in your corporate bubble writing crap code that nobody will ever see or use. Its like being a great author who just happens to be a technical writer for the local project management office. Why bother to aspire to greatness when you can string along mediocrity.
(and in the spirit of the election)
You must be an obama voter !
In other words they require people to work and add value rather than having the government hand shit to them for free.
Sounds like a plan, where do I sign up ?
I tend to think the reason that data or "logical" security is not viewed as mature is more linked to the dynamics of the situation.
Steel from a Bank in the US, EU, Canada etc from a location in North Korea, China, Venezuela etc. Even if you get caught your probably not going to jail. Further than that there is no physical limitation. Physical limits are harder to overcome in terms of cost, time, visibility etc than logical limits will ever be.
(ie the wild west was the wild west not because they didnt know how to secure things, but because people were still willing to risk stealing things despite the cost. The barrier to entry is that low in logical security.)
You guys might want to look at puppet, it makes dealing with large batches of similar but not quite the "same" systems insanely easier.
(ie unix v linux)
Save that if solaris doesnt work for you then you might want to look at using a real storage device, like a Netapp or 3par system.
Why anyone would consider this a problem is beyond me. These are two completely different objectives.
The software footprint on a desktop/laptop is huge. A server shouldn't have anywhere near that much crap installed/running.
Clearly this is the mindset that got windows into the server market. Its also the reason that I chuckle when I listen to windows admins try to talk about technical problems. (if it involves the word "click" or "icon" your doing it wrong.)
So here's a quick summary:
Fedora - Developers distro, not for servers and not for the "set it and forget it" crowd.
Debian Stable - Fully "set it and forget it". Literally.
CentOS/RHEL - Its the same thing. Literally. You might not like it because it "feels" like a kludge, but Red Hat isnt trying to win fan boys hearts, they are trying to win the war. Step one is to get people to stop talking about linux like its kool aid. (I like "my distro" best !)
The war doesnt start on people's desktops. It starts on their office machines.
Ubuntu - Desktop OS goes server. Change known quantity items for untested stuff because the guiding hands are college kids and hipsters.
The reality is this story shouldnt even be a story. The OS is obsolete. Apache, Squid, Oracle, Sendmail/Postfix, Jboss, Weblogic, Websphere, *LDAP, P* etc etc. They all run on every platform out there, the key is getting all your network, storage and platform (hardware + OS) items in a row so that the top level application can be spooled up and out in minutes.
Google accomplished this by writing middle tier software to allow spanning of thousands of systems (relatively) transparently. For those of us without that much time and money the next best thing is to standardize our platform and manage it with proper tools (ie puppet, splunk etc).
"If you develop a major illness, you will not necessarily think that it is such a good deal."
If however your young, healthy and able to stand on your own why would you want to pay 7% into social security, 7% into national health care, more into other social programs etc etc when you'll never see a dime ? At least in Europe the work week is shorter, the expectations of people are more properly aligned, religion knows its place, there is culture etc etc
There is a reason that up until world war 2 the people in this country were considered backwards hayseeds. If you seriously think the national healthcare bit is going to turn out any differently than social security your insane.
Rich half black lawyer != change.
Obama is about as likely to change things for the good (as it is measured by the average american) as I am to run for president.
Out of all four people involved right now (Obama, Biden, Mccain and Palin) I'm more enthused by the change the "rookie" from Alaska has brought about in her time in office than Obama.