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More Responses to de Tocqueville Hatchet Job

akahige writes "Fresh from the debunking of the 'Linus couldn't possibly have written an OS without ripping someone off' book published by the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution, Tanenbaum has published an email he got from the consultant hired to do the code comparison between MINIX and Linux. Among other juicy comments, 'pay no attention to this man.' (There was no stolen code, either.) In related matters, ESR was apparently sent a pre-release excerpt of the book which he completely eviscerates with his usual zeal. Another story on NewsForge." See our previous stories if you're coming to this late.

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  1. 'pay no attention to this man' by Mz6 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Did anyone read that and immediately think of "The Wizard of Oz"?

    "Pay no attentioned to the man behind the curtain..."

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    1. Re:'pay no attention to this man' by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, no. I was wondering who this Alexis is, and where I can get some of her world famous tacos.

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  2. ESR got a copy?! by John+Hurliman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sending ESR an early copy of the book is like asking Sony to do a review of XBox 2

    1. Re:ESR got a copy?! by phearlez · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe it falls under the approach of "there's no such thing as bad publicity" - lord knows ESR won't miss an opportunity to write something where he can work in a way to mention "The Cathedral and the Bazaar." I'm amazed it took him over 1,000 words to get around to it this time.

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  3. Ken Brown will always be welcomed by Bush admin by chmilar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Analyst: "There is no (copied code/weapons of mass destruction) in (Linux/Iraq)."

    Great Leader: "That's not possible. Your analysis must be wrong. Do it again, and this time, tell me what I want to hear!"

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  4. That's a relief. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    I was just getting ready to send out cheques to SCO and Andy Tanenbaum for $699 each.

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    1. Re:That's a relief. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      And I was just getting ready to send out cheques to Alexis de Tocqueville for 30M. But after this job...

      Bill G.

  5. Re:Does anybody else find ESR's writing style odd? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah. It reads like a /. post.

  6. Re:Sorry but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Methinks you doth protest too much.

    I do, thou dost, he/she/it doth, we do, you do, they do. Geeze, if you're going to troll, at least try to troll grammatically...

  7. Re:Hand behind the Hatchet? by Nimrangul · · Score: 4, Funny

    You say SCO as an option as if it were not under the control of Microsoft and was infact a seperate entity.

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  8. WMD? by FerretFrottage · · Score: 5, Funny

    Writings of Mass Duplication?

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  9. Re:How long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    Because the most complex piece of open source code you've written if "fetchmail", Eric.


    Don't forget that he also added blindfolds to Nethack! Where would we be without this tremendous contribution?
  10. Re:How long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Keep in mind who that letter was directed to. I would have gone for the modern equivilent of "I am seated in the smallest room in my house. Your article is before me, soon it shall be behind me."

  11. Re:How long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Eric ! Stop posting as Anonymous Coward ! :)

  12. Emacs as complex as early Linux? by Fratz · · Score: 2, Funny
    Many other open-source projects of the order of complexity of the early Linux kernel predated it; the BSD Unixes, for example, or the Emacs editor.

    I'm a happy emacs user, so I'm not emacs-bashing, but damn. Maybe it is a little bloated :)

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    1. Re:Emacs as complex as early Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Right. You should consider the alternative. A simple implementation of vi can be written with a single line of perl.

      I jest, I jest.

  13. Re:copy of comparison analysis by 14erCleaner · · Score: 2, Funny
    If the Linux ctype.h is so similar to the one in Minix, that can only mean one thing...

    Minix was pirated from SCO! Quick, contact Darl!

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  14. Re:How long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ESR gets to talk up how clever and important he is

    Yes, that article certainly rates at least .7 of an ESR.

    Because the most complex piece of open source code you've written if "fetchmail", Eric.

    Don't forget his mighty pythonated kernel configuration system!

  15. Re:Copy of email, /. effect by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1, Funny

    I hope Mr. Brown is getting compensated well, because he's soon going to find that's he's completely destroyed his career. I seriously doubt that anyone will wish to obtain his services after this fiasco.

    I don't know about that- seems to me Rush Limbaugh AND/OR the Republican Party need someobody of his talents rather desparately to deal with the whole denying Geneva Conventions to Political Prisoners mess.

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  16. Re:Copy of email, /. effect by cyfer2000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think he has got a job at Iraq as new administrtor of information and news.

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  17. Ken Brown really doing a social study? by gorbachev · · Score: 3, Funny

    Reading the review by Jem Matzan at NewsForge, I can't help but wonder, if Ken Brown's goal was to either accelerate building a tighter Open Source and/or Linux community or study the how an (online) community would react to a vicious, if not incompetent, attack on it.

    There is no way he could have thought the book could have been taken seriously, after all. Unless he's one of those incomptetent people who have no idea how incomptetent they really are (witness WB's Superstar "reality" garbage).

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  18. The text of the original request sent to Alexey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    Dear Sir or Madam:

    I am writing to you with a matter of great importance. My employer has recently acquired the sum of $50,000,000,000 through a series of events and a lax enforcement of anti-trust laws. My employer has offered me a percentage of this money, but I need your assistance in order to complete the transaction. I will receive $10,000,000 for this transaction, and I will gladly share 30% of it with you.
    If you are willing to assist me, please write a letter showing that Linus Torvalds copied Linux from Minix and mail it to:
    MR. KEN BROWN
    Alexis de Nigeria Institute
    Abuja, Nigeria

    I'm sure that you appreciate the need for discretion and that you will keep this transaction quiet, as I have done by only sending it to 1/4 of the world's population.

    Thank you,
    MR. MPERIAL FLUNKEE
  19. Butt !??!!!? by Zapdos · · Score: 3, Funny

    Linus wrote MINIX or so it says herebr>

  20. Re:Hand behind the Hatchet? by Crizp · · Score: 3, Funny

    What would really be embarrasing: Get hundreds of really good kernel fixes from Microsoft coders paid by Microsoft to code on the Linux kernel for a while :)

  21. Re:Copy of email, /. effect by k98sven · · Score: 2, Funny

    I seriously doubt that anyone will wish to obtain his services after this fiasco.

    Do you think anyone obtaining his services wants a good, impartial report? Well, a good one probably, but definitely not an impartial one.

    I'm afraid there is no shortage of fields in which this guy is a self-pronounced researcher.
    Just look at the dang AdTI homepage: Economics, Taxation, Education, Technology, Defense..

    Hey, the guy has a bachelor's degree in Litterature -doesn't that automatically qualify him as an expert on everything under the sun?

    (Hmm... Hey Taco! Re-brand Slashdot! We're not a geek news blog, we're a "think-tank" now! We've got plenty of people here prepared to expound their opinions on stuff they know nothing about. )

  22. Re:The Interesting Bits by wk633 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Of course emacs is larger and more complex than linux. It has to be, with its linux kernel emulation mode.

  23. Re:Sorry but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Bush must be spending a lot to get address. I've been getting a lot of nice signed pictures also, but they conviently come with postage paid return envolopes. I suggest you help by opening the envelope and send out the postage free envelope with your junk mail of the day. I even printed all of my junk email and sent it along too.

  24. Re:No OS by Zebbers · · Score: 3, Funny

    Richard? Is that you?

  25. Microsoft paying someone to lie? by rspress · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft is paying someone to lie to make Linux look bad and windows look good? Say it ain't so! Well all know that Linux was hobbled together from stolen code from all over the world and is a pile of junk when compared to Windows.

    Microsoft on the other hand has worked hard to put out a stable, secure OS that they came up with from the start and did not copy any line of code or UI ideas from anyone. Microsofts pledge of using only their own code goes back to the day they sold IBM the rights to their own hand coded DOS operating system. Microsoft worked for years developing this version of DOS for IBM and it was all original work unlike the trash the Linus has hobbled together and unleashed on the world.

    Microsoft is now going after Apple for the iPod design that Steve Jobs stole from them and is going to put those rip offs at Apple out of business once and for all.

    Bill Gates is the most original thinker and fairest person in the world. He goes out of his way to help companies that compete with him and even agrees unfair license agreements foisted on him by computer manufactures.

    Not only that.....but the....I.....think.....uh.. Doctor, Doctor....I think the drugs are wearing off, can I have another shot?

  26. Nigerians by scavenger87 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe she is also interested in doing another Brown book? ;)