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Microsoft Extends Product Lifecycle

An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft has decided to extend product support on business and developer products effective June 1, 2004. Mainstream support remains unchanged at 5 years, extended support is greatly extended from 2 to 5 years and Online self-help support is extended from 8 to 10 years. I have to say kudos to Microsoft on this one."

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  1. Preparing for the GNU/world? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft is slowly shifting its business toward "support" since software will inevitably become free.

    1. Re:Preparing for the GNU/world? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      > Ah, I rather enjoy making people unemployed.

      As did:

      • The printing press (monks)
      • The automated loom (weavers)
      • The steam engine (labourers)
      • The robot (assembly workers)
      • ...
      and most other 'modern inventions'. Free software the latest in a proud line of inventions, and a side effect is making the business of programming more efficient. Will we see the irony of dissatisfied programmers becoming the new Luddites and running around smashing automated weaving looms (ie. Free Software)?
    2. Re:Preparing for the GNU/world? by DrMrLordX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It seems to me that they are doing this to compensate for the delayed release of Longhorn. Longhorn has already been pushed back to . . . what was it, 2007? I'm sure MS would much rather keep its customers hooked on its old operating systems than see them migrate to a non-Windows OS. This may also be an indicator that we should expect more Longhorn delays.

      I agree that it might be more prudent for MS to shift towards a business model in which they sell support, but do remember that MS is notorious for repackaging one of their current OSes with superficial or pointless alterations and selling it as a new, superior product. WinME is a prime example of this behavior.

    3. Re:Preparing for the GNU/world? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's a war they can't possibly win. You can't compete with a hobby after all

      This doesn't make sense! Isn't messing with Amigas still a hobby?

      I'm sure MS doesn't care about stopping every last geek on the planet from booting a Linux kernel - they only care that they sell lots of products, and their aim is to ship "better" server software than what GNU/Linux offers to increase their market share.

      Doesn't matter if hobbyists are still developing/using it, MS only care if large corps are using it.

    4. Re:Preparing for the GNU/world? by Sancho · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They don't need to kill Linux the hobby, they need to kill Linux the enterprise. They don't want companies choosing Linux over their product. If Windows was mandated for corporations (to use an extreme example) Microsoft would have no need to target Linux.

    5. Re:Preparing for the GNU/world? by djelovic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "and a side effect is making the business of programming more efficient"

      How so? It's Economics 101 that money is a great carrier and aggregator of information about how much something is worth to other people. One of the reasons why communist/socialist economies did so poorly was because they didn't let money perform that function.

      OpenOffice is free, and can read MS Office file formats. There is no lock-in. Yet most people are still willing to pay of MS Office. That should tell you something.

      And it's not inertia. MS has managed to make a significant dent in the Linux/FreeBSD server space market share over the last nine years, and Apple has (nearly? I don't have the latest figures) overtaken free operating systems in desktop OS market share. Both companies used money, that great carrier of information, to tell them what to concentrate their efforts on.

      Dejan

    6. Re:Preparing for the GNU/world? by Aeiri · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can't outsource support from India. The average computer idiot can't understand support people today, imagine adding a thick Indian accent over that.

    7. Re:Preparing for the GNU/world? by inode_buddha · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's no money in support."
      Could have fooled me, at $30 per call from a machine with an OEM license.

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    8. Re:Preparing for the GNU/world? by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Say your life expectancy is 40 years, back in 1964 computers were few in number and filled a large room. Now there is more power in a PDA than in that room back then.


      That is a wildly ignorant assertion, one that is popular to make, but completely incorrect.

      The 'power' of the 1964 mainframe comes from more than the CPU's ability to clock it's way through the address space. The 1964 computer connected hundreds of peripherals in ways that made it useful to many people.

      The PDA has a faster clock, but is essentially I/O bound to be a limited, stunted user interface.

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  2. The thing about Microsoft by leereyno · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The thing you have to remember about Microsoft is that it, like almost any large company, is not monolithic. It is made up of a number of fiefdoms, some of which compete for the same resources (customers, money, prestige, etc) and are therefore at war with one another, the terms of which are defined by what is possible when both are part of a larger whole. This is why things like .NET made it to market. It was sold to the marketing department, the OS department, the Office development department, and the developer tools department (visual studio) with each one seeing it as something different.

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  3. Certainly trumps redhat by grahamsz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They seem to have the shortest product lifecycles i've ever seen.

    OTOH i'd have thought that it'd be in microsoft's interests to force people to upgrade by withdrawing support from win98 etc...

    Maybe they really are scared .. :)

  4. RedHat by blackula · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Good for Microsoft. It's nice to see that they don't want to leave their customers out in the cold.

    It's too bad RedHat won't do something similar. They have pitifully short product lifecycles.

    1. Re:RedHat by ron_ivi · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Funny that if I'm using debian/stable I can always get up-to-date patches (at least security related patches) even for that often-maligned-as-"old" version of Linux for years after a release.

    2. Re:RedHat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      5 years is not enough? I claim it is. Especially when Redhat does NOT ask extra price for new version - it belongs to subscription price. You can either run same version for 5 years or then update when new release comes available. I think it's pretty reasonable, no?

    3. Re:RedHat by ediron2 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yeah, but:
      • At the end of the product lifecycle, MS leaves you with an .exe; Red Hat's source is published. One of these allows self/mutual support.
      • Do the math: who can *afford* to support stuff longer: divide corporate worth, or cash in the bank or some other metric by the cost per year for support. Now who looks cheap?
      Over the years, I've watched too many vendors tell me that they were revising support *downward* despite earlier promises. It's the first thing I point out when someone slanders Free Software by talking about lack of support.

      That's why I don't think kudo's are in order here. Microsoft is being forced into deeper service (and increased costs) by the same ruthless market that made them rich. That's not praiseworthy. That's reaping the whirlwind.

  5. Re:Does this mean by atarione · · Score: 2, Insightful

    god... I guess if you insist.

    however, I **personally** wouldn't want to run win98 for another 4minutes let alone 4 years.

    windows XP really does kick win9x's ass fairly hard in almost every regard I can think of... for that matter win2k kicks win9x's ass also.

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  6. Developer tools by tfbastard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having online support on office tools for 10 years seems pretty good to me, but for developer tools it should be even longer.

    Ever had to muck around in a 10 year old project (someone elses at that), where the tools used to build it have been deemed obsolete for 5 years? Not fun.

  7. Kudos to Microsoft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This sounds more like a make-news project than anything, didn't they just drop all their support options.. some of the ones they're fixing now? Sounds more like this was planned all along and is being used to garner pro-MS support.

    "Hey, did you hear.. Microsoft just upped all their support options, our windows computers are covered for another couple years.."

    *sigh*.. a wise decision to keep support, even though it probably was planned marketing decision from the start.

  8. Re:It's about time by passthecrackpipe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The vast majority of the companies I speak to regarding migrating away from MS are primarily driven to do so because of cost and dropped support from MS. The sinbgle biggest driver for a lot of the desktop migrations is dropped support for NT, for example. Linux is scaring them shitless, and this is their reaction. The great thing is, they are reacting rather then being pro-active. MS seems to be on the back-foot for now.

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  9. Re:11 out of 13 slashdot readers so far... by omyar_hunt · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "Kudos for Microsoft"? From an anonymous reader? Who just happened to mention all those figures in the same sentence? Does this anonymous reader work for Microsoft? Am I paranoid?

  10. It's all a balance by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you force customers to upgrade too quick, you risk loosing customers. If you let them have the same shit forever, you don't make money. I mean, as you pointed out with Rhat, it is just an insanely short support cycle. They got knocked out of the running for our offical supported Linux for that reason. We don't want to have to upgrade every year. Money isn't the real issue, we have no problem with yearly support contracts, it's the idea that we need to move to a new OS version every singe year.

    The length of support is the reason that you don't see much shit over the 2k/XP thing. I mean if people were forced to upgrade to a new OS to the tune of $100-$300 (depending on the deal you get) after one year, we'd all be pissed. However 2k is still supported, and will remain so for a few more years. So we get XP on new systems, and keep 2k on existing systems.

    Now personally, I think they are extending it a bit too long. After 5-6 years, you need to be thinking about moving to a new OS, for desktops at least and even for servers. I mean commodity hardware just isn't all that reliable at that amount of time. Try getting a Dell warantee for 6+ years. Big iron is different, you buy a mainframe, it better last 20 years, but little x86 desktops and servers really need to be looking at being EOL'd after 6 years max, and the OS likewise.

    But, I'll take it. I'd rather have longer support than shorter support.

  11. Re:Unsurprizing by Bill_Royle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can think of a couple right off the bat:

    * XP doesn't hang when shutting down (at least in my experience)
    * Multi-user profiles
    * Built-in USB 2.0 support (SP1?)
    * System Restore (buggy though it can be, it's better than nothing.)
    * MMC

    I'm no fan of XP, but the issues and capabilities listed above make supporting XP (and 2000) a lot easier for us than 98 was.

  12. Re:It's about time by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Not even maybe. Word followed Wordstar and WordPerfect; Excel Visicalc and Lotus 123.

    The whole point of Office is to be more than just four different applications that come in the same box. That's why it has been so successful.

  13. Re:Unsurprizing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You can bypass the Linux logon screen by booting from a boot disk with Ext2FS (or ReiserFS, depending on the system) read/write support and replacing the login binary file (/bin/login) with the executable of your choice, such as /bin/sh. Restart and wait a few minutes for the "login prompt".

  14. Its a corporate statement, you insensitive clod by JamesR2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think it is a message to corporations; slow to upgrade, fearful of lack of support because of it. This solidifies that.

  15. Re:It's about time by MoonBuggy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Call me a cynic if you want (hell, I am a cynic) but no big company does anything simply for the good of its customers. Extended support does benefit MS customers, I don't debate that and I'm sure they'll be happy about this turn of events.

    There must be a reason that prompted Microsoft to do this though. They don't really need to lure new people into the contracts, therefore the only reason can be to stop people leaving the contracts. Why would people not renew the contracts? Maybe because the next upgrade is many years away and they could get a better deal from $linuxsupportcompany.

    This is a positive action from MS, but it would be shortsighted to say that the reason is not fear of other products making inroads while companies wait for longhorn.

  16. Re:geez by K-boy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Kudos to Microsoft on this one" - what are you talking about? This has nothing to do with kudos, it is a business decision pure and simple. The delay in a large number of software products has meant that Microsoft's existing support times are leaving large gaps for millions of customers to walk through.

    But, bigger than that, its Software Assurance programme - which it has stated it intends to make an increasing proportion of its revenue from - looked set to collapse unless it extended support because hundreds of thousands of them are up for renewal in July and many customers have been complaining they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and have received absolutely nothing in return (read the IT press for details).

    The support extension is because of product delays. It is nothing but a business decision to protect its market, especially when open-source alternatives are becoming more popular.

    Do you honestly think Microsoft would make this decision just because it reckons it would be nicer and fairer?

    No kudos at all. Simple business.