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Sun To Upgrade Java Desktop System
An anonymous reader writes "The second version of Sun's Java Desktop System should be unveiled this week, according to this article. And as part of Sun's effort to entice programmers to its new software, the new JDS software will include the Java Studio and NetBeans developer tools." The JDS is their Linux desktop system.
So it looks to me like Sun is trying to pull a Microsoft and hope people use the bundled product even if it's inferior. But like I said, Java developers already know where to get Eclipse.
Why use JDS when there are better, cost-free alternatives?
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Thank you for not screaming that Sun must PROVIDE the sources with JDS. As everyone (should) know, the GPL only mandates that you provide a means for the end-user to acquire the sources.
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The product has a lot to do with Java. Its SUN's attempt to push a Java enabled development environment out of the box. Many of us have positive attitudes towards Java so there is a certain logic to doing this. I admit I have not looked at Nettbeans for a while but I remember it being ok, if a little slow and probably better suited to newbies and Visual Studio crossovers than Eclipse.
As a side note if OS products were judged on their names alone no one would use the majority of them.
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Except that the Linux kernel still falls over under heavy loads (think enterprise operations, moving terabytes of data in and out of databases each day), mostly because of Linux's virtual memory manager. Until someone rewrites that vm system to be more robust, more "intelligent", and in particular stop thrashing the system trying to maintain unneeded data in the page cache, I will take Solaris over Linux anyday for these types of applications. I can drag any Linux system down to unusable, while the same thing on a Solaris system just makes it slow.
So it's NOT "all about Linux now" and it won't be for some time.
Linux is a hard pill to swallow for Sun. The margine of profit off of anything Linux is small in comparison to anything they sell with Solaris. Sun knows that Linux is the future but Sun also knows that means thier profit margins are gone as well. They are doing more with Linux because they have to but they are doing it "kicking and screaming".
Sun knows it has no choice but to join the community but it will take any opportunity to stab it in the back if Sun thinks it can find a way "back to the good old days" (like when they paid SCO and blabbered it to the press). It is not just McNealy. How do you explain to investors that your future is to be a cross between DELL and RedHat but without the large volume of sales that Dell gets?
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i dont know why so many people talk down on sun. imo they are the only company that could be able to come up with a good competitor to the windows os. im talking about the regular user here. a regular user hasnt got the time or interest to do all the tinkering neccesary to make linux work properly. linux sucks when it comes to hardware compatability for regular users. Sun has a brand name, they are instantly recognised by the public, they have muscle and are respected by hardware manufacturers. its only and only such a company that can breath life into a new OS for the private consumer market.
The sources have been submitted back to their authors. Want to moan, moan to the projects who have no incorporated the changes. The changes SUN has done for GNOME are already back in the CVS tree, take a look, its right there for the world to see. SUN ALWAYS sticks rigidly to the rules.
Except for Sun Studio, I believe you can freely download the other items you mentioned. I don't know why you need a whole Linux distribution for it anyway.
It seems to me that the primary benefactor of the JDS is Sun. They want to collect site licensing fees. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, it's just not that amazing once you look past the marketing.
I don't know if it's so much of a nuissance as something they didn't feel they needed to do anything with.
People kept asking what was Sun's linux strategy and they didn't really have one. Then again neither does my mom. Except for McNealy who has his way of going over the top with things the majority of references from Sun regarding Linux have been positive. This is going back years now. I remember reading an interview with Billy Joy (maybe from 99?) Praised linux for what it was doing. He still thought Solaris was better for some things and he didn't seem to have an interest in doing anything with Linux. This is old news to him and a lot of people at Sun. Bill Joy has already started from square one with unix operating systems including SunOS and BSD. From a creative standpoint it would be like taking a step back for him and starting with something he's already done. As many of you will know, there isn't much satisfaction in that and he was working on other things (JINI). Why would sun want to tinker with a new start up OS when it is busy improving it's own popular one? If something comes out now that is better than linux, will all the developers abandon linux and work on that?
Sun has a really good unix os already that was much more mature than linux when people were complaining about Sun not embracing linux. That's like complaining that Harley Davidson didn't embrace the new engine designs and stuck with a V-Twin. (Okay, they have a water cooled engine now on the vrod).
IBM has said the same things about linux as sun has when IBM compared linux to aix. Sun is a much smaller company than IBM and has to make different decisions.
The whole "what's sun's linux strategy" questions have bothered me. I mean we don't ask RedHat what their AIX or Solaris strategy is and shun them if they don't come up with anything.
Meanwhile, Sun has come out with their own linux distro (though short lived they did have Sun Linux) and they are working on JDS. They are porting or working on porting a lot of their stuff to linux.
I'm hoping to see a lot of good things now from Sun in the low end server space with Andy Bechtolsheim coming back to Sun. They'll be selling Solarix x86 and Linux distros with the new servers. Obviously they're going to push Solaris more but unless something major happens they'll still be selling linux. Andy Bechtolsheim was one of the founders of Sun. He was tired of waiting for computer time at school and built his own workstation. Bill Joy was working on BSD. Then McNealy the MBA and someone else (the money guy I forget his name) started Sun. Bill Joy and Andy Bechtolsheim are true geeks in the best sense of the word. Their the hardware and software guys that Wozniak was to Apple. We see Sun now as McNealy and it puts people off. But there's a lot more to the company.
I just think people should lay off sun (and sun should be a little more careful of what they say) because the infighting in the unix community just creates a rocky foundation for someone else to stake a stronger claim in the server space. It happened with windows nt.
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