HP Announces Support For MySQL, JBoss

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HP Announces Support For MySQL, JBoss

Posted by simoniker on Monday May 31, 2004 @05:24AM from the i'm-not-the-boss-of-you dept.

Chroniton writes "According to InternetNews.com: 'HP stepped up its commitment to open source software Monday by pledging to offer and support the MySQL database server and JBoss application server software in its servers' - it's also mentioned: 'The deal is truly symbiotic. While MySQL and JBoss get backing from a technology driver such as HP, HP gets the added credibility of being cozy with open source, a label many enterprises and HP rivals, such as IBM and Dell, are working toward.'"

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IBM... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-05-31 05:29 · Score: 5, Interesting

a label many enterprises and HP rivals, such as IBM and Dell, are working toward.'"
IBM is already open source friendly. Dell isn't open source friendly and doesn't seem to be trying either.
1. Re:IBM... by Nuclear+Elephant · 2004-05-31 05:37 · Score: 5, Interesting
  
  Part of HP's plan had better include eliminating the planned obsolescence of their products. You used to have to pay $20 for a new printer for a CD to make it work with other windows versions. The open source community generally doesn't like the idea of having to buy a new printer every time there's a new kernel update (weekly?). HP's screwed us before with their DVD writers and other products...so IMO they've got to do a lot more than support open source to get my business. It would help if they built quality products that weren't designed to be replaced every 6-12 months.
2. Re:IBM... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-05-31 06:12 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  It figures an AC would say that: http://linux.dell.com/
  Just making a front on your website saying you support Linux doesn't make it so. I own a Dell Laptop, I've requested many times to have correct Linux drivers for my video card, Dell has not complied. If you had actually bothered to visit the Dell support forums for Linux you would have found a large group of unhappy and frustrated Linux users that had the misfortune of purchasing a Dell.
  Good Day.
3. Re:IBM... by BiggerIsBetter · 2004-05-31 06:31 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  IBM is already very very very open source friendly. Sounds like HP is just jumping on the bandwagon. Selling support for OSS software isn't really "cozy" either - it's just leaching onto a growing market share. Call me when they start contributing to the code in a meaningful way, or helping folks no IRC.
  
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Their Crawler is Killing Sites by Nuclear+Elephant · 2004-05-31 05:30 · Score: 4, Interesting

I don't know if this has anything to do with HP's new plan for open source, but they seem to have a new web crawler that is beating on websites hosting open-source software and ignoring (not even requesting) the robots.txt file they're supposed to leash themselves to. I've noticed this on about 3 different websites and we've had to blackhole their address space indefinitely.
PostgreSQL? by danharan · 2004-05-31 05:30 · Score: 5, Insightful

Great news, but...

Anyone know why MySQL as opposed to a more standards-compliant db like PG?

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1. Re:PostgreSQL? by rtaylor · 2004-05-31 05:42 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  It's difficult to partner with PG as there is not a controlling company. Both MySQL and JBoss have firms which will train HP freely and perhaps even take on part of the load in return for commercial contracts.
  
  With PG they're basically stuck trying to learn it themselves. RedHat would train HP, but RedHat doesn't want to be known for offerring PostgreSQL support since Oracle didn't like RedHat Database competition very much.
  
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2. Re:PostgreSQL? by Nuclear+Elephant · 2004-05-31 05:43 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  MySQL is practically a household name compared to Postgres.
  
  Yeah just the other day my grandmother asked me to pass the MySQL at the dinner table. And I heard a knock at the door, and when I answered it there were three Jehova witnesses trying to convince me to upgrade to 4.x
3. Re:PostgreSQL? by jamiebecker · 2004-05-31 08:31 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  I'd like to respond to this without starting a PG vs MySQL flamewar.
  
  I'm well aware of many advantages that PostgreSQL offers over MySQL (e.g., nearly full SQL92 support, stored procedures in many languages, "object-oriented" storage, views, triggers, etc) and also the performance advantage that MySQL enjoys over PostgreSQL for some operations.
  
  We've chosen MySQL over Postgresql because that is what our enterprise customers have requested. If we have sufficient interest in Postgresql, it will definitely move up on the roadmap.
  
  Jamie Becker
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JBoss is Great! by captainclever · 2004-05-31 05:31 · Score: 5, Funny

Wow, the story mentioned JBoss.
I know from experience that JBoss is the absolute BEST bit of software out there, it's so great. I can't recommend it enough. It's soooo much better than the competition..

Ahem.. :)

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1. Re:JBoss is Great! by Timesprout · 2004-05-31 05:35 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  Marc, you promised to stop astroturfing. Now go to your room and no cheese for you tonight!
  
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Apple also supports it by damieng · 2004-05-31 05:31 · Score: 5, Informative

If anybody's interested - both JBoss and MySQL ship as part of OS X Server (as well as a few other open-source products).

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HP support by KoriaDesevis · 2004-05-31 05:32 · Score: 5, Interesting

The article states that HP is giving testing and hardware support to these packages, and I assume that means they'll come up with a nifty little logo to show that it's "HP-Ready"... While that's all well and good, will they offer third-party technical support to users when these packages crash on HP servers? If not, who gets left holding the bag? If it were not open source, it would be cut and dry, but with the packages being open source and freely available, the issue of technical support gets blurred. The article didn't go into this fine point.

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HP Is Relentlessly Uncommitting by fastdecade · 2004-05-31 05:37 · Score: 4, Insightful

I don't read much into this.

HP has always jumped back, forth, and sideways in their "embracing" strategies. One day, they'll promote Java, the next day you'll hear nothing about it. Same with Linux. Compare that to IBM - they have a strong, consistent, stance on both Java and Linux.

Part of this inconsistency is likely due to politics behind the Compaq merger. But it's gone on longer than that - for example, whatever happened to all their embedded consumer devices (I think it was branded "cool city")? All this indicates HP has big political problems, which is causing it to lack any direction.
1. Re:HP Is Relentlessly Uncommitting by Anonymous Coward · 2004-05-31 05:46 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  no, the inconsistency comes from the fact that the only one profitable part of HP's business is selling ink.
Apple already does this by daveschroeder · 2004-05-31 05:39 · Score: 4, Informative

Apple already ships MySQL and JBoss with Mac OS X Server, and supports basic use (e.g., enabling, basic use) via free support channels, or advanced support of any aspect via Mac OS X Server Software Support products.
HP? by turgid · 2004-05-31 05:48 · Score: 4, Informative

I can't understand why anyone would buy anything from HP when you can get exactly the same stuff from Dell at about 60% of the price. HP sales staff suck. They couldn't care less about your order. Dell will have you quoted up to your satisfation, and the stuff shipped to the right address withing 2-3 days. HP takes about 6 weeks, charges you more, gets your order wrong, blames you and then charges you more to put it right.
I for one will not be buying from HP ever again, except maybe for laser printers...

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What this REALLY means... by MosesJones · 2004-05-31 05:50 · Score: 5, Insightful

IBM have WebSphere and DB2

Oracle have 10gAS and Oracle 10g

SAP have Netweaver and SapDB

Microsoft have .NET and SQLServer.

HP abandoned their old App Server and have worked out how to get good mindshare for low investment on a new one.

Pretty smart move by HP as it puts them back in the "solutions" market and tied in with their SI business means they have a real opportunity in the custom build market.

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1. Re:What this REALLY means... by turgid · 2004-05-31 05:52 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Pretty smart move by HP as it puts them back in the "solutions" market and tied in with their SI business means they have a real opportunity in the custom build market.
  Er no, HP have now painted themselves into a corner at the bottom of the low end. All the other big companies must be laughing all the way to the bank. Nice one again HP.
  
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Re:Dual Licensing by lokedhs · 2004-05-31 05:55 · Score: 5, Insightful

Why not just use Postgres and be done with it? Better and it's really free. :-)
Re:Dell cozying up with open source? by Timesprout · 2004-05-31 05:56 · Score: 3, Insightful

What are you asking here for? Call Dell and ask them. When enough people do that they will probably provide it. One issue would be driver support on their higher end systems, another would be what distro should they provide, there will only be moaning if geekoid the geek cant get his favourite distro pre installed and I imagine supporting several distros would be a major pain in the ass for Dell. I would think Dell would rather provide an unformatted drive and an installer dvd of your requested distro and dump the install grief on the enduser.

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They've found the cure for NIHS by SpamJunkie · 2004-05-31 06:00 · Score: 4, Insightful

This is obviously a sign that they've found a cure for that pox upon the tech sector, NIHS or Not Invented Here Syndrome. I estimate, based on absolutely no data, that NIHS costs the US economy billions of dollars.

HP showed signs of beating NIHS with their iPod deal with Apple. With this announcement they have shown that they have a cure for NIHS, at least in some quantity.

People and corporations with NIHS, unlike normal people, have an unfounded fear of technologies they didn't invent. It is related to paranoid dylusion. Countless hours and money is spent recreating technology that has already been inveted by someone else.

It is yet to be seen if HP will sell their NIHS cure to other companies or keep it for themselves as a competitive edge. However, even if they do decide to sell the cure it is likely that most people and corporations will fear the NIHS cure and attempt to create their own.
1. Re:They've found the cure for NIHS by turgid · 2004-05-31 06:03 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  What HP is showing is that they're the Microsoft of the hardware world. Rather than investing in R&D to develop new stuff, they'll wait until someone else takes the lead, maybe loses their shirt and then copy them with a slightly inferior but more conformist product.
  In my day HP was like DEC, IBM and other great.respected corporations. Then they got Carly and it all went downhill...
  
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Is it really about open source assistance? by aixguru1 · 2004-05-31 07:22 · Score: 5, Insightful

Come on folks, look at the bigger picture. Look at the two projects they are going to support, MySQL, and JBoss.

Now look at their competitors products (IBM) Websphere and DB2 products. The reasons have to be more than just jumping on the bandwagon with open source. IBM has two products that are similar to the exact two projects HP chose to help.

All is fair in business, but HP isn't going to throw money at projects just to claim they are on the open source bandwagon. I believe the direct intent is to improve MySQL and JBoss to go head to head with IBM on this one.

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Questions about HP Open Source LRA? by jamiebecker · 2004-05-31 08:49 · Score: 5, Informative

I'd be happy to respond to questions about this supported and certified architecture that may not be answered in this article.

Jamie Becker
Project Manager
HP Open Source Linux Reference Architecture
HP Services
jamieson dot becker at hp dot com

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