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OLED Displays Technology Primer and Forecasting

HawKe writes "OLEDs are back in the news and Audioholics reports on what makes the technology so special as well as who leads the pack in currently shipping products, vaporware, and displays that are on the horizon. The crux of the matter is whether or not OLEDs, the "eco-friendly" choice, can outpace current LCD and plasma display advances. In order to enter and dominate the home theater and computer display markets, they must not only establish themselves, but also beat the leaders in price and performance."

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  1. Great News... by Piranhaa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Finally a new type of display to use. Normal CRT monitors and TVs screen burn, while being really bulky, lcds have shadow effects and can be damaged REALLY easily sometimes, and plasma displays screen burn easiest. I wonder how this will compare to the rest of the other displays we, as consumers, have used for quite some time!

    1. Re:Great News... by SharpFang · · Score: 5, Informative

      Except the worst pain about OLEDs nowadays is that they burn out (or more like diffuse and get blurry) way faster than anything else - that's the barrier that keeps them from entering the market.

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    2. Re:Great News... by Turing+Machine · · Score: 3, Interesting

      These are MUCH brighter than LCDs, too, if I recall correctly.

      The article says they've got a 15" prototype.

      Maybe we'll finally get a notebook display that you can read in sunlight?

    3. Re:Great News... by Piranhaa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      True, but nothing is perfect. I'm sure there will be a breakthrough or something that will allow these to not burn out as fast. Just how the lightbulb first started. They added some gas, and it lasted much much longer than it previously had!

    4. Re:Great News... by Three+Headed+Man · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've always wondered if you'd cause a plasma leak if you punctured a hole in your monitor...

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    5. Re:Great News... by DaLiNKz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have an OLED display on the back of my cellphone. They have the text on it (uncontrollably) revolve/scroll across the screen because if it stays in one place too long, its rumoured to burn.. :\ I feel it to just be a waste of battery.. I would far rathered a colour LCD screen that can turn its backlight off, but still see it in the sun.

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    6. Re:Great News... by SharpFang · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd rather see plasmas going so cheap that you can replace one once a year.
      Though tese beasts are so power-hungry I can't imagine a PDA with a plasma screen.

      I'm afraid they won't be able to increase the life time for OLEDs much. But the technology sounds promising that the prices may drop so significantly, that you just buy a PDA and get a replacement display as often as replacement batteries, only much cheaper :)

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    7. Re:Great News... by fshalor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Brightness contrast ratios of above 200 here we go...

      Oh, wait...

      Nevermind.

      I actually have had to do a lot of LCD'ing in sunlight with laptops. It's not so bad at times. Apples do pretty well. And there was a fair number of old dells which worked fine as long as you were in about 15% shadded area.

      There's no point in doing SSTV if you have to lug a CRT with you.

      And I'll not even get started with doing DAQ at surface sites without a GOES transmitter. It's laptops and bug repelant for us for at least another 3 months. I'm just glad it's not my job.

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    8. Re:Great News... by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've always wondered if you'd cause a plasma leak if you punctured a hole in your monitor...

      Yeah. If you open up your CD-Rom a laser ray will shot at your ceiling too. There's voltage in your keyboard, and a CRT monitor contains an electron cannon. And your inkjet printer launches hot ink steam at the paper at high velocity! What a dangerous world we live in!
      ps. Did you know there is MAGNETIC FIELD around your speakers?

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    9. Re:Great News... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Brighter than? LCDs have no brightness, its all from a backlight. OLEDs emit light, thats why you can have paper thin OLEDs.. and without the viewing angle problems caused by backlights and their distance from the screen and how they emit light

    10. Re:Great News... by cujo_1111 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Everything gives you cancer...

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    11. Re:Great News... by Jardine · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've always wondered if you'd cause a plasma leak if you punctured a hole in your monitor...

      Yes, but it's easy to fix. You just have to reverse the polarity on the phase manifolds in your keyboard. They're next to the inertial coupling stablizer.

    12. Re:Great News... by Steffan · · Score: 3, Interesting
      • "I'm afraid they won't be able to increase the life time for OLEDs much."
      What is your basis for this statement? There's no physical law which states that the life may not be extended; it's simply a materials science issue. I am quite certain that the current lifetime of the OLEDS (particularly blue, I understand) will be extended sufficiently that lifetime of the OLED becomes largely irrelevant. As OLEDs gain popularity, increasing amounts of engineering will be devoted to improving the yields and performance, much like LCD & Plasma technologies.
    13. Re:Great News... by SharpFang · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The basis is experience with other stuff. Life of a product may be extended 300-500%, sometimes 1000%, but rarely more. If the design isn't long-lived up front, it won't get extra-long-lived through development. There's been a considerable amount of research on OLED lifetime done already, and they got to the pathetic 1000h until now. There's certain level after every next percent gained gets very expensive and further research just doesn't pay. You just need to change the complete technology. (just think developing vacuum tubes as mainstream product further instead of replacing them with transistors)
      So, I expect they will get to 5000h, with a lot of luck luck to 10-20.000, that's still not very much. Plus the research doesn't really pay - build a TV that lasts 10 years in perfect condition and the customer won't buy another TV from you in next 10 years.
      On the other hand, reducing the cost to less than 1% the original (note: cost, not price) is quite common.

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    14. Re:Great News... by llama_god · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As far as I know this isn't a problem with the actual OLEDS but with the desiccant. The OLEDS react with water faster than their counter parts so better desiccant are needed for OLEDs than LCD.

  2. 1000 hours? by cbiffle · · Score: 4, Informative

    I own one of the Pioneer decks they reference in the article. Its display is positively stunning, though I wish I'd waited a couple years for the color ones that can play MPEG off of the CD. Mmm.

    In the article, though, they list among OLED's advantages "1000 hour life."

    That's 41 and two-thirds days. This is clearly wrong; my stereo's been going strong for nearly two years.

    Just FYI.

    1. Re:1000 hours? by SharpFang · · Score: 3, Informative

      5h a day, 200 days in a year, that's 2 years. Plus the problem is about the color ones. B&W may get fuzzy at worst. In color ones, colors mix. The display will work much longer than 1000 hours, but the colors will be a bad mess.

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    2. Re:1000 hours? by MBAFK · · Score: 4, Informative

      Couple of doctors thoughts
      Snipped from that page:
      ...Right now, OLED displays are commercially available in cell phones and car radios with lifetimes over 10,000 hours...

    3. Re:1000 Hours? by Crazy+Eight · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've got to wonder if that's a typo. The last time I read something about OLED lifetime it was lamenting that blue only had a 10,000 hour half-life as opposed to 20,000 hours for red -- and that claim was probably from a pdf found on some university's faculty home pages.

    4. Re:1000 hours? by El+Puerco+Loco · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think that is a misprint, current displays have a lifespan of ~10,000, and that is currently limited by the blue LEDs, the red and green last ~20,000 hours, so after 10,000 the color balance starts to degrade pretty rapidly. BTW Seiko Epson recently unveiled a 40 inch OLED display. So this is definitely something that is feaseable now.

    5. Re:1000 hours? by squaretorus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is likely a misprint, meaning 10,000 hours which is a hell of a long time unless you watch it 24 hours a day!

      Even at a thousand or two hours though, if these displays are cheap and 'green' enough I dont mind buying a new one every now and again. I'm pretty sure Ive never kept a car for more than about 1000 hours of actual use (figure 40,000 miles at 40 miles per hour average as a loooooong time to keep a car).

      Admitedly I dont scrap the car, but I sure as hell lose a lot of money on it!

  3. Is Organic LED == degradable? by toesate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If so, what is the MTBF (mean time before failure, right term here?)

    or what is the lifetime of such a LED device?

    Imagine your display goes fuzzy and blurred in the middle of a good film.

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    1. Re:Is Organic LED == degradable? by ad0gg · · Score: 4, Informative
      OLED Life is 1000 hours
      LCD life is 45,000 hours
      Plasma life is 14,000 hours
      CRT life is 45,000 hours

      I'll stick with LCD or CRT until plasma or OLED become cheap enough that replacing them is like replacing the brake pads on your car.

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  4. Size... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    One big advantage of plastic electronics is that there is virtually no restriction on size.

    Women: "Damn right."

  5. Can it 'display' black? by Overand · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My big gripe with standard LCD displays is the complete inability to truly display black. This leads to a pretty crummy contrast ratio relative to conventional displays and good plasma displas. LCDs are getting better, but OLED might just be what we need. The article desribes it as self-illimunating, though, so I don't see why it can't display true-black, since there's no backlight, but for a technical article, it sure is weak on the details.

    1. Re:Can it 'display' black? by mr_zorg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, you're absolutely right. Since the pixels in OLED are light-emitting they can display true black by simply turning off -- just light in a CRT display. The reason LCD can't display true black is because they have to block the backlight to render black, and they're just not 100% light blocking...

  6. Re:Expensive. by ajlitt · · Score: 5, Informative

    RTFA. The article's main point is that OLED manufacturing processes, once some of the technological hurdles are overcome, is far, far cheaper than TFT or plasma. The contender for assembly methodology is to use an inkjet-like system to print the OLED polymers onto the substrate and use common metal sputtering techniques for the interconnects. They even mentioned that a key price advantage is the ability to integrate driving circuitry onto the same substrate as the display, saving the cost of having to use off-screen drivers (this is also being used in newer CG-TFT displays).

  7. Black levels, refresh rate: what?! by NSash · · Score: 2, Informative

    Some of the challenges OLEDs have to face:
    * Ensuring competitive refresh rates, contrast ratios, black levels and overall performance


    Why on earth would black levels be an issue for an LED display? I thought that was a problem unique to LCDs, due to their backlighting. Furthermore, I was under the impression that refresh rates for today's LED displays already surpass LCDs; that high refresh rates are a feature of the technology. Is the reporter full of it, or am I misunderstanding something?

    1. Re:Black levels, refresh rate: what?! by poptones · · Score: 2, Informative
      organic leds are not exactly like silicon leds. They are apparently quite a bit more capacitive than the "conventional" LEDs you are likely thinking of ( which would be expected since they are, after all, made from plastic - a material used to make capacitor dielectrics). this capacitance will either slow down refresh cycles or drive up power consumption. In a home unit you could probably live with the added power consumption to get a great display, in a notebook that might be a bit more of an issue.

      But even if you can live with higher power dissipation, that power has to "dissipate" somewhere. On a glass display, the only place that power could go is through the glass itelf or maybe on a heatsink across the back.

      It seems certain this technology will become inexpensive enough to compete. I just wish they would hurry up about it...

    2. Re:Black levels, refresh rate: what?! by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 3, Informative

      For the same reason that self-illuminating plasma displays have a weak black level: the amount of light they can put behind those colors. The darker the glass is, the brighter a color has to be to penetrate that black and still look decent, hence the reason a lot of plasmas have a "smoke" black. OLEDs will need to be much brighter to penetrate a true black, and balancing that brightness with MTBF will indeed be a challenge.

      Of coursre, all other things being equal, I'll be perfectly happy to forego the heavy power usage of LCDs and the ludicrous power usage of plasma displays.

    3. Re:Black levels, refresh rate: what?! by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 2, Informative

      To my understanding (I don't claim to be an expert), plasma doesn't work that way. Two levels of glass are used to seal in a cell of gas, which when charged produces a colored light. It isn't backlit, but rather produces its own light along with the color (presumably three color layers to produce the gamut it needs to). It's really nothing more than a stop-gap technology, though, because LCDs couldn't be fabbed in the sizes plasmas could be produced in.

      Now comes the peculiar point. It would seem to me that you could simply have a black background, with the plasma cells above it turned off, and it would produce a perfect black, but it doesn't work that way. For whatever reason, the black is closer to the front of the screen, similar to the way a CRT is layed out. Again, I don't have a full knowledge of the intricate workings of the technology, or the reasons why its laid out that way (perhaps it simply looks weird to have the black at the back), and thus the colors have to penetrate the black to be seen. Because plasmas can't produce as bright a colors as a CRT, their blacks can't be as dark. If an OLED had to abide by similar visual restrictions, such as would be the case if blacks at the back looked strange, then we'd be back to sqaure one.

  8. Replace at 6 months?! by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "Operating lifetime exceed 1000 hours..."

    Given a 40 hour work-week, 1 month is 160 hours, and 6 months is 960 hours. This sounds ridiculous! I'm in the third year of my CRT monitor, and I don't have the money to replace it anytime soon, esp. not if I have to buy a new OLED every six months!

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    1. Re:Replace at 6 months?! by NSash · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How often does your company buy new printer paper? Do you use fountain pens and ink wells, or cheap ballpoint pens that you throw out every three months?

      If OLED displays really will be so much cheaper, maybe it's time to start thinking of displays as a disposable resource.

  9. Re:Expensive. by fshalor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I believe there are also some major environmental displosal issues to contend with, besides the actually technical issues. Something about the inking process (for the inkjet like system.) is relatively bad at the moment.

    Give that part about three more years. Physics guys upstairs are actually working on a similar problem now with some deposition machines.

    As you mention, the main selling point will be for integration with other circuits. This is really the next step to making wearable advertising.

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  10. Incredible potential by HonkyLips · · Score: 5, Interesting

    An old article on OLED's in Scientific American made me a huge fan years ago... the potential for these things is amazing. Because the base is a polymer, which can be transparent, all sorts of sci-fi style possibilities open up, laptop screens that can be rolled up are just the beginning... HUDs in cars could become standard offering by sticking an OLED screen on the windscreen... office windows coated with an OLED screen would look like normal windows but could double as a TV or computer screen at the flick of a switch.... same for home TVs. Because pixels can be transparent, the RGB layers of a display can be sandwiched on top of each other, meaning that an OLED display will have individual pixels which have their own unique colour- as opposed to current technologies where RGB pixels are arrayed next to each other and rely on the eye to merge separate red, green and blue dots into a "colour". For this reason, OLED displays should be significantly sharper. Yes, a window that doubles as a TV is a long way off but the articles show that the technology isn't just science fiction... it's getting closer every day. One day we'll have windows with DVI inputs :)

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  11. Not much news... by PatHMV · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This press release doesn't really have much new information in it. OLEDs have been around for several years now. And the article talks about printing the monitor on the same glass as a current LCD monitor. One of the real potential benefits of OLED is the ability to print them on a flexible plastic film. Check out this Scientific American article from back in February.

  12. Same thing with plasma tvs by ad0gg · · Score: 3, Informative

    Plasma tvs have about 20,000 hours life. Something to think about when you buy an open box plasma tv from bestbuy or circuit city since its probably been on 14+ hours a day for 6 months or longer. So you'll get about 5 years of life out of it, instead of 10 to 14 years with a new one. I'm amazed that plasma tvs are so common now a days, I see them used as billboards at theaters and malls. These things are on 24 hours a day that means 2 years later they'll need to be replaced.

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  13. Re:Expensive. by Three+Headed+Man · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, he's right. If you actually bothered to do research on the process, you'd know that the article is wrong. It's not like it's the first time that the /. editors have posted something without doing fact checking.

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  14. 3D by Sinful_Shirts · · Score: 2

    Instead of continually advancing the 2D display devices, why don't we work on 3D. I'm holding out for a hologram projector! I'm sure someone is working on it.

    1. Re:3D by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 2, Funny

      These guys appear to be pretty close to making Holo look VERY real .

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  15. just a question of price by dekeji · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If they end up being somewhat cheaper or make up for it in other ways, that may not be a problem. After all, replacing laptops and screens every two years isn't such a big deal given how fast the electronics around them evolve anyway.

    1. Re:just a question of price by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A CRT only has a rated lifetime of 10,000-20,000 hours, or about 2 years of continuous operation.

      Tell that to the guy who always leaves his monitor on overnight at work (with no power management to power down the CRT).

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  16. CCFT backlight by Powercntrl · · Score: 5, Informative

    LCD life is 45,000 hours

    That's really just due to the fact that eventually the CCFT backlight will croak. With most LCD displays, it's just a $15-$25 part and your LCD is back in business. If you factor in CCFT replacement, an LCD monitor should last as long as the controller circuitry keeps functioning - most likely, a LONG ASS TIME.

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  17. As with any technology.. by Mechcommander · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am glad that OLED's are making their way into the market now, but, as my stance is with all technology, I will wait until it matures to be cheaper, last longer, and overall, be better. Remember Wi-Fi when it first came out? Ugh, dreadful. But now, it's a very mature technology that performs great for most people's needs. I have the same opinion on what will happen to OLED's. This has great potential, it just won't be seeing any of my hard-earned dollars until it proves its worth. ~1000 hours isn't worth it to me as of yet.

  18. Re:Operating Lifetime by MBCook · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Not neccessarily. I'm sure they'll be able to improve it, but I would buy one (under the right circumstancfes) if it never changes.

    Imagine if you needed a new monitor. So you go out and buy a new OLED display. After use it eventually starts to fail (after your 42 day marathon CS session, or your 2 years of only checking your e-mail, or whatever). Instead of going out and buying a whole new display ($$$), you don't.

    You open a little panel on the top (or side) of the screen and pull out the OLED pannel not unlike pulling a film plate out of a camera. You go down to the local computer store and buy a new OLED pannel (not display) for a little bit of money ($), stick it in your display, and you're all set.

    Now because they cost less to manufacture, they cost less at the start, and the "refills" are cheap (unlike LCD panels which cost a fortune). Now only that, but because electronics can be integrated onto the panel, the new one you buy might all of a sudden offer you a higher refresh rate, more colors, higher resolution, lower power consumption, or some other feature that has been cooked up or improved since you bought your panel.

    I would buy that. It seems perfectly reasonable to me. By leaving things in the case of the display (power supply, connectors, speakers, USB hubs, anything else you want to put in there; maybe driver circuitry) when you buy a new panel to put in your display things are cheap. When your LCD or CRT dies, you not only have to buy a new tube, you have to re-buy all the electronics around it because you can't (easily) get a new tube to fix your monitor. Same with LCDs. So in the long run it would be cheaper. Instead of paying $300 every 3 or 4 years (let's just assume that), you pay $150, then $25 every year. Eight years out you've spent $325 ($25 * 7 + $150), instead of the $600 you'd spend normally. The difference is that each year you get little incremental upgrades. And if the displays are even cheaper than that (maybe $100 to start, or the "refills" are $15) things look even better, don't they.

    And if the display manufactures got together and set a standard for how the panels interface to the display and such so they all took the same refills, the competition would be FANTASTIC for the consumer in price and quantity. And before you say "they won't do that, just like printer ink doesn't do that", don't forget that a company like Dell (or Dell + others) could force it on them. If that happened, it would be such a great day for the consumer.

    It could work. Maybe things will go my way (we'll see), or maybe the things will be improved in lifespan to where it's like a normal LCD. Either way it's competition for LCDs which means that consumers can benefit even if they never replace LCDs totally.

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  19. Re:Operating Lifetime by BlacKat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And how long do you think it will take them to jack the price of the "refills" sky-high...

    You know, like printer ink and razor blade cartridges?

    Lets not give the megacorps yet another "disposable" item they can soak us for... besides, wouldn't it suck if your monitor suddenly "died" at 7pm on a Saturday night or something. Good luck finding a "refill" for it.

  20. two things... by poptones · · Score: 4, Informative
    a) where do you find an LCD panel rated at 45,000 hrs? I've never even seen a backlight ccfl rated at that, much less an lcd panel.

    b) lifecycle numbers are under bias. FWIW many electrolytic capacitors are also rated for 1000 hr lifecycles, and you don't see many tv sets just blowing up after 6 months. "Lifetime" typically means "this much time until specifications change X%." For capacitors it's typically a 20% change in value, and this change is not linear - the greatest change comes in the first 100 hrs or so and degrades slower after that.

    Given "normal" program material and use in a true color display "1000 hrs" absolutely does NOT mean "it dies in 40 days." It means after 1000 hrs under bias any given pixel element will lose 50% of its brightness. In a 1/64 duty cycle system this means you can multiply those 40 days by 64 - about 2500 days, or 7 years.

    As someone else has pointed out, the real challenge is getting a reliable means of producing panels with consistent degradation of all pixels over time. If you have 10% of the red oleds fading after 800 hrs and 20% of the green elements fading after 1200 hrs you're going to have a display with splotches of color that, over years, becomes worse and worse.

    Still, this is no worse than LCDs that typically require repair after just a couple of years because their backlight (or the inverter driving it) has failed. At best you can hope for a warning as the color gradually turns pink - or maybe you just turn it on one day and find the screen is "dead." Or your projection set - those bulbs are often a couple hundred bucks, and damn few are rated at more than 2000 hrs lifetime. Given all that, this 1000hrs don't seem bad at all.

  21. Re:Expensive. by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 3, Informative

    It isn't just a manufacturing hurdle. IMO, The articles (er, press releases) completely ignores the most significant drawback: that the different colors fade at different speeds.

  22. Re:Expensive. by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    D'oh, I forgot to be more specific, the fade isn't lag time, but rather, as the screens age, some colors will go dimmer faster than others, changing the overall "color tone" of the screen. I see no point in buying an OLED screen when only one good color is still useful. Now, using the "white" compound with color filters in front of them might have to suffice, provided the color of white is stable.

    I haven't seen any word on whether the primary colors can be truly SMPTE compatible. If it isn't, then it would be much harder to calibrate the screen to make it look the way it should.

  23. Re:Same thing with plasma tvs - Wrong by bentradio · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am sick of this FUD. Please, if you are going to post things about plasmas, at least be accurate. Of the larger plasma makers, most like Panasonic or Pioneer are currently at 60,000 hours until phosphor half-brightness, and the majority of the rest are at 30,000. 20,000 hours was right in 2002, when those stats were published, but just as in computers, things move fast. If I were to quote the state of Linux in 2002 as the current state, I am sure I'd get flamed mightily.

    Sorry if I came out as mad at you, I'm not, but there was another post here which claimed 10,000 hours as the current life span, and I just want to set the record straight.

    BTW I do not own a plasma, I own a Sony XBR CRT.

  24. Laws of color mixing suspended by michaelmalak · · Score: 5, Informative
    From the article:
    ... pixels of red, green, and blue material are applied.

    [...] All colors of the visible spectrum are available

    Somehow, I don't think so.
  25. Grating Light Valve! by Venner · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been following OLED's progress for years and I'm glad they're finally getting somewhat competitive. It's a cool technology.

    For a television, however, there's another really cool technology I'm waiting for to become commercially available (to the consumer: Grating Light Valve based projection TVs.

    Red, Green, and Blue diode lasers (RGB) + a Microelectromechanical (MEM) diffraction ribbon = very bright, detailed, lifelike image. I've heard anecdotally about people who became disoriented because the image looked 'too lifelike.'

    Informaion about GLV display technology.

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  26. Re:OLED not yet for home theater monitors. by Cecil · · Score: 2, Informative

    screen burn issue that plagues CRT

    Have you been living in the wonderful world of 20 years ago? CRT monitor burn-in is almost nonexistant for any modern, decent-quality monitor. You would have to try very hard to get a monitor to burn in these days.

    Rear-projection CRT I don't have any experience with. I hear that yes, burn-in can be a problem with those, probably due to the brightness they need to achieve to project that image onto the screen. But they only comprise a minority of CRTs, and to lump all CRTs in there as having a burn-in problem is a bit unfair, I think.

    Admittedly CRTs don't last as long as they used to, I guess because of the precision they require to accomplish things we take for granted like variable refresh rates, variable resolution, and 0.22 dot pitch. Monochrome 40x25 isn't that hard to do legibly. But they still have a longer useful lifetime than any of the competing display technologies. Which isn't to say they're the best. They're big, HEAVY, power-guzzling monsters, and I'd love to have an OLED display myself.

    If I can use OLED displays for my photographic work, rock on. I look forward to it. Until then, I shall put up with my 21" beta-radiation-box. Oh, and as long as I'm making photographer wishes, I hope they give me some cheap white OLEDs for household lights too. All this 3200K tungsten light makes my camera sad. ;)

  27. The TV could kill!! by garyebickford · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Back in about 1952, when TV tubes were much longer front to back and much less strong, supposedly some guy was watching a game on a Dumont TV, and got mad at the way it was going. He either shot out the tube, or threw something at it - I forget which. The implosion that resulted accelerated the electron gun to a high enough velocity that it impaled the guy in the chest and killed him.

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    1. Re:The TV could kill!! by tarunthegreat2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I was about to contradict you...until I googled and saw This

    2. Re:The TV could kill!! by gweihir · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is why CRTs have a sheet of armour-glass on
      their front today. Trying to kick in a TV is not a good idea. You may break your foot.

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  28. OLED - small molecule or polymer by flend · · Score: 4, Informative

    There seems to be a lot of confusion over exactly which type of OLEDs are currently out there in the market.

    There are two OLED `generations':

    1) Small molecule - these use small organic molecules (think anthracene). They require pretty much conventional vacuum-systems for preparation and hence are expensive. However, they are emissive (unlike LCDs). These are the OLEDs we start to see in cameras etc. Lifetimes are pretty good.

    2) Polymer - this is the 2nd gen - here the manufacturing is all roll-to-roll or inkjet printing. These are going to be the el-cheapo reasonably-nice displays of the future. However, the lifetimes here are a concern - we're talking 15,000 hrs for the best blue polymers which isn't good enough yet.

  29. Re:Operating Lifetime by karstux · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OLED panels don't just suddenly "die" (unless an electronics defect occurs). They'll probably get gradually darker, and the color balance will start to be off.
    You'll have plenty of warning before having to buy a "refill".

    I like the idea, but you may be right about the price thing.

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