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Brew Your Own Auto Fuel For 41 Cents A Gallon

Iphtashu Fitz writes "Damon Toal-Rossi of Iowa City, Iowa had enough of the high price of gasoline, so it didn't take too much for his friend to talk him into switching to biodiesel, an alternative fuel based on soy or vegetable oil. But after a few months of driving 10 miles to a biodiesel fuel station he decided it was time to start brewing his own. It didn't take him long to find a recipe for biodiesel, and with used cooking oil that he gets for free from a nearby restaurant, he figures he's now getting 44 miles per gallon out of his diesel powered VW Golf and only paying 41 cents a gallon. According to the National Biodiesel Board the number of biodiesel stations in the US rose by 50% last year (to a whopping 200). The president of the American Soybean Association claims biodiesel has almost the same amount of energy as petroleum-based diesel, but cleans an engine's fuel injectors and cuts down on the number of required oil changes. Perhaps these are some of the reasons why diesel powered cars are making a comeback in the US."

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  1. Great... by SoTuA · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...as long as you:

    a) Have a diesel car.

    b) Have somebody who will give you free used oil.

    Not all of us live nearby KFC :)

    1. Re:Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, getting free used oil is easier than you think owing to:

      a) Any restaurant that does frying has used oil. (Even that mom'n'pop boutique place you like to frequent)

      b) Restaurants normally have to pay someone to have their used oil hauled away.

    2. Re:Great... by sunking2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bingo, it's great while there are only a half dozen people who try it per town. As soon as more than one person goes and asks an owner for their used oil guess what? No more free used oil. Crude oil prices are what they are because it's a traded commodity, not because it's hard to get or difficult to refine. What people are willing to pay is what dictates the price, not the threat of running out.

      Create a demand and like everything else, prices will rise.

      Not that I'm totally against the idea, but you can't base the impact on a real economy on a test case of a few people here and there.

    3. Re:Great... by Hard_Code · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that biodeisel is renewable and probably doesn't carry as many nasty political ramifications as fossil fuel.

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    4. Re:Great... by dildatron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh, sure! Now you'll probably tell me that they re-use motor oil and cardboard! If they ever start recycling the aluminum cans I put my lips too, boy I am not sure what I will do! Seriously, to the parent poster, do you think oil is clean when the get it from vegetables, or that we can pump gas straight out of the ground? Oil can be cleaned and filtered, and used again no problem.

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    5. Re:Great... by Otter · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I think his point is that the 41 cent figure is completely meaningless when he's getting the raw material for free. (Although, don't restaurants sell their used grease to recyclers? That was the case in my fast food days, long ago.)

      On the other hand, if biodiesel takes off there will be an economy of scale that will offset the increasing demand for restaurant grease. KFC and Long Jon Silver's will still have price increases, though.

    6. Re:Great... by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The 470 million arable acres is for everything, not just soy beans, right?

      So the US could stop growing corn, wheat, and everything else in order to provide a whopping 2 percent of our gasoline?

      Here's a crazy idea. Why don't we use less gas.

      -B

    7. Re:Great... by provolt · · Score: 3, Insightful
      $4 per gallon would be about right, a little under cost per gallon in most other countries (Britain, Europe, etc) for gasoline (around $5 per gallon globally).


      Yes, the price at the pump is higher in Europe than in America and is probably close to the numbers you give. However European prices for gas are so much higher because of the huge taxes that are placed on petrol. If you exclude taxes, prices in America and Europe are quite comparable.

    8. Re:Great... by Phurd+Phlegm · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Hmmm. This reference claims 100 gallons per acre, and I saw another than claimed 145. Also, "gas usage" != "Diesel usage," since Diesels are usually more efficient. However, 100*4.7e8 = 4.7e10. Divided by US population is around 160. Allowing for the fact that we need to eat something that's still only on the order of a tenth of the amount we're burning now.

      Myself and my three kids use only around 140 gal/year per each even with three cars--I assume that the 1000 gallon figure includes heating, manufacturing, shipping, and so forth? I have no way of evaluating whether the correct figure is near 12 or 150 gal/acre.

  2. Like they say about Linux... by sulli · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Biodiesel is only $0.41/gallon if your time is worth nothing.

    Sounds like a fun project though. The warnings about the various poisons certainly got my attention.

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  3. And that's why this isn't sustainable... by Jerf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    with used cooking oil that he gets for free from a nearby restaurant

    Nifty, but if we all went out and did this, the price would skyrocket. Hell, if only all the people who read this story on Slashdot went out and did this, the price would skyrocket.

    All this story says is, "If you get free stuff, you can make other cheap stuff out of it." Regrettably, we're not solving any energy problems by starting with "If you get free stuff..."

    (It's great the guy did this and I respect the hack that this embodies. But people shouldn't try to draw too many conclusions from this. All the cooking oil I've used so far this year (and I don't order many fried foods from restaurants so that's the majority of "my" share of oil) wouldn't hardly get me out of the city.)

  4. one problem by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is that biodiesel gels at about 32 degress F. So, if you are parking your car outside in below-freezing temperatures, you have to mix it with petroleum diesel and/or add anti-gelling additives.

  5. Availability by FortKnox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Biodisel is a bad solution to the oil problems in america. Why? Because if 50% of cars on the road today had biodeisel, then the price would skyrocket. Why? Although McD's produces a ton of greaseburgers, there simply won't be enough used oil to produce enough fuel for everyone. Wish I had the link to the stats... I'll google around and give the link.

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    1. Re:Availability by and+by · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, but if everyone in America were to convert to using biodiesel, then there'd be an impetus to make it commercially on a large scale. Essentially, we'd have farms producing either vegetable or soy oil for use as fuel. You can make biodiesel out of fresh oil even easier than out of used oil.

    2. Re:Availability by wherley · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If *anything* changed step-function-wise to 50% it would be a problem.
      Most of the biodiesel in use today in the US is not from used vegetable oil - it's from new soybean (and other seed) oil. Put the American farmer back into the energy loop growing soybeans and take foreign oil sources out - how is that a "bad solution"?

    3. Re:Availability by pavon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Here is some info about biodiesel quantities I posting in another biodiesel thread. Biodiesel using conventional crops is not a feasible replacement for gasoline. As posted on slashdot before, there have been some preliminary studies using algae that look promising, but until we get some functional plants operating, I will be suspicious of their numbers. Nothing against them, it's just that they are researchers not business men, and usually don't have the experience necesarry to predict real world numbers.

      I really hope that biodiesel does pan out. I really don't see fuel cells getting anywhere, nor do I see battery technology getting good enough anytime in the future. If we don't get a good fuel before the price of oil jacks up, then the only viable form of transportation is going to be electric rail, which is fine for dense areas, but is bad news for the US.

  6. Not foolish at all... by PatHMV · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People are not starving because there is not enough food in the world, but because in too many places the distribution system is not very efficient, or is actively perverted by armies, dictators, and other autocrats. If we can find a way to use inexpensive, renewable plant matter to generate energy, it will ultimately improve the lives of people all over the world, especially in those places too poor to buy oil right noww.

  7. why diesel is popular by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Perhaps these are some of the reasons why diesel powered cars are making a comeback in the US

    No, not really. It has more to do with skyrocketing gasoline costs and the fact that TDI technology is miles above the old diesels. It's quieter, more efficient, more powerful, the blocks are lighter thanks to superior materials, and TDI isn't nearly as sensitive to the cold- it doesn't even need the glowplugs above 40 or so degrees. The glowplug system is tied into the central locking, so when you approach the car and unlock the doors, it figures out if it's cold enough to need the glowplugs and starts warming them; as a result, the car's ready to go before you are, most of the time. Diesel is also much more prevalent now that there are a lot more diesels in pickups, vans, etc used by small businesses and non-fleet operators.

    That addresses many of the concerns the public had about diesel- hard to find fuel, noisy, heavy, and a bitch in the cold.

    A lot of people get hybrids wrong too, thinking it's all the hippies buying them. Dealers say that was true initially, now it's just regular commuters who want the most efficient car. Biodiesel is a boutique fuel aside from use in fleets in 2% mixes to replace sulfur in low-sulfur fuels.

  8. What about road taxes? by aquarian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The biggest savings these people are experiencing is from avoiding road taxes, which are a major part of the price of commercial gasoline or diesel. Right now the "underground" biodiesel movement exists in a gray area. There are too few people for the authorities to bother cracking down on, but if enough people start doing it they will. Right now, untaxed diesel for off-road use in boats and industrial/farm equipment is dyed red. If you're caught with "red" diesel in your car or truck, you'll have to pay huge fines. The dye is stubborn, too -- once it's in there, it stays for many, many tanksful.

    Sooner or later there's going to be a crackdown. Making your own biodiesel may soon be illegal, for all practical purposes -- either explicitly, or through red tape that's too hard to deal with. You're either going to have to add red dye, prove that you're paying road taxes, or something.

    Personally, I think the best way for the government to spur development of alternative fuel infrastructure is to offer a road tax holiday for alternative fuel users -- say 5 years or so. Let this apply to all biodiesel, CNG, hydrogen, ethanol, and electric vehicles.

  9. Re:It seems foolish... by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .... with millions of people starving to death in the world, that we use food (soybeans, etc) to make fuel. It's really sad actually.

    Nobel prize winning economist Amartya Sen argues that there has never been a famine in a working democracy. This leads to the conclusion that famines are ultimately political in nature. There's always a warlord blocking food convoys, or a landlord exacting rent right off the dinner table. Or there may be plenty of food, but the sociopolitical environment does not provide the means for a person to acquire the food.

    I remember seeing footing of the great depression, in which dairy farmers dumped huge vats of milk on the ground. The problem was that they weren't getting paid enough for their milk to live on, so in protest they just dumped the milk. Perhaps they were trying to raise the price by limiting supply. In either case, if people went without milk, it wasn't because there wasn't enough milk, it was because of political and economic factors that prevented the distribution of milk to those who needed it.

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  10. Re:More Great News About President-Vice Cheney by IdahoEv · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ten points if you can name another company that does what halliburton does


    Bechtel.

    Less snarkily:
    Washington Group International

    Transportation and Logistics Directory
    Commercial Contractors Directory

    There are hundreds of such companies in the U.S. alone. The government didn't bid these contracts - they awarded them without competition. Normally, government bids are extremely competitive because of large numbers of companies. Raytheon is a false analogy - missiles are not the same as civil engineering and logistics. Far more companies are available to provide the latter.

    Government work has half the margins of private sector work, its slum and the companies that take it suck.


    Au contraire. In many, many fields private sector margins have been cut to the bone since 1990 as competition resulted in efficiency, process redesign, downsizing, and mergers.

    What government contracts offer is steady guarantees, with reasonable margins, which is why they are so desperately competed for by many companies.

    However, the deals Halliburton and Bechtel have in Iraq are nearly unprecedented. They are cost-plus deals. Meaning, Halliburton tells the army how much they spent ... on salaries, materiel, subcontractors, everything. And the army pays them X% more than that. Period. Meaning the more it costs them and the longer it takes them, the more money they make.

    The private sector figured out a hundred years the obvious reasons why this doesn't work: your contractor now has incentive to screw you. They get rewarded for sloppy performance and procrastination, or even outright conscious delay. And human nature is what it is.

    This is why private sector contracts - and better goverment contracts - bid for a set price and deadline. Now it becomes the contractor's job to figure out how to make a profit by getting the work done under the cost cap.

    The cost-plus no-bid deals handed out for Iraq are unheard of in the business world, because it's a stupid, stupid way to do business, from a purely economic perspective. But, the nature of politics today seems to make it impossible to even discuss these things without getting called a "commie librul". You know the world's screwed up when smart business sense = communist liberalism.

    Another suggestion of a "company that would take the work"... try the Army. Until a few years ago, they provided almost all of their own logistics. It's not at all clear that it's cheaper to do it with private companies.

    It also means the military now depends on civilian companies that can and will cut and run if the security situation gets too bad ... leaving the Army up the proverbial sh*t creek without laundry, trucking, or food.

    Imagine how fast Halliburton would be gone if some terrorist DID set off a stolen nuke in Iraq, killing 1000 of their employees. But nuke or no nuke, someone's got to feed our troops. This is why Army logistics should stay in the Army.
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  11. You're right by MacFury · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Biodiesel is only $0.41/gallon if your time is worth nothing.

    Gasoline is only $2/gallon if your planet is worth nothing.

  12. Methane is the real answer by Teahouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was in a college group that studied the biodiesel option, and we came to another conclusion, methane would be better. We can get it from our own societal waste products, it is much easier to store than hydrogen, and most vehicles can be converted to methane at a far lower price than any other conversion (hybrid/fuel cell/electric). There is an infrastructure in place that can be converted to dispense the product, and vehicles generally get a 3-8mpg improvement running on methane.

    I have no idea why this idea has never been persued by a few corporations. All the technology is already in place, the program could be started today, and creating methane reactors for our bio-waste would actually be a simple prospect.

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  13. Re:Good for individuals, not practical for society by Graymalkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hey there's this awesome invention, maybe you've heard of it, it's called the Sun. At our distance from it we receive about 1kW/m^2 of energy at ground level. That is a lot of energy to collect. Photosynthetic organisms make excellent use of this energy and can do all sorts of cool things with it.

    Oh yeah we can also convert this energy into other forms and store it for our own use chemically. Crop tenders, processing equipment, water pumps, and many other aspects of biodiesel manufacture can be performed by solar powered machinery.

    Besides you seem to not understand the biofuel carbon cycle is closed. Any carbon released from burning biodiesel is carbon absorbed from the atmosphere during photosynthesis. If you've got an end-to-end solar-biodiesel system you're not releasing any extra carbon into the environment. Pumping fossil fuels out of the ground and burning them is releasing carbon into the environment that has been effectively removed from it for millions of years.

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