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Europeans, Tweak Your Representatives On Patents

zoobab writes "The FFII is launching a call for action to push European candidates to answer questions on Software Patents. Alan Cox has also written a open letter in which he points out that those European elections are an opportunity for each citizen to have the choice and to make the politicians listen. Get the questionnaire and send it to the candidates of your country!"

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  1. Scary web design by Sanity · · Score: 3, Funny
    FFII may or may not be successful in protecting the EU from software patents (I hope they are), but at least they stand a good chance of winning the "Least Tasteful (mis)use of Stylesheets" award for their website ;-)

    (Seriously - their website looks like a brain haemorrhage, can a web designer who cares about software patents and has some spare time help them out here?!)

    1. Re:Scary web design by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well I would be glad to help them out of their spot, free gratis (own a successful web design company), if they would respond to any of the efforts I have made to contact them!

      I noticed that there was no Irish branch of the FFII on the last slashdot story about this issue (maybe thats changed since, I don't know), so I also tried to reach them regarding setting up a local branch over here.

      No response whatsoever. I couldn't even get through on the phone lines! I don't know what sort of an operation they are running, but so far I have to say I am less than impressed. If they think they can divert the beaurocratic juggernaut that is the EU with anything less than cohesive organisation and directed efforts, they are sadly mistaken.

      Beh, like most things, I'll just have to go ahead and do it myself...

  2. The language... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ...is too difficult to understand. The average person would not be able to understand those questionnaires.

    If they want as many valid candidates to fill out the questionnairs as possible, then they should direct it at the people, with sensible people language.

    1. Re:The language... by mccalli · · Score: 4, Interesting
      ..is too difficult to understand. The average person would not be able to understand those questionnaires.

      In addition it comes over as hostile by default. It could be altered to adaopt a more conversational tone quite easily.

      For example, "Will you vote to reject....yes/abstain/cancel" could become "What position will you take on....accept/abstain/reject". You've now given the person a chance to answer without feeling you've pointed a gun at their head.

      Cheers,
      Ian

    2. Re:The language... by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 5, Funny
      Sorry, but I can (in conjunction with the explanatory notes) understand those documents.

      Are you suggesting the average politician isn't as bright as the average...

      Oh... wait.

  3. UK MEP voting records. by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just a reminder to people that you can't believe a word that a politician says.

    Actions speak louder than words and you can find out here how they voted:

    http://www.ffii.org.uk/uk_meps.html

    It would be nice to see something similar for the other countries.

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    1. Re:UK MEP voting records. by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 3, Informative
      In summary...

      Greens

      UKIP seem to be best

      Lib Dems Next

      Tories Next

      Labour Last

      It's worth examining the "green" votes for what was being voted on, and not just adding them up. 71 1E is a nothing. Something about "monitoring impact". Big fucking deal.

      The biggies are 34/115 and 74 IMO.

    2. Re:UK MEP voting records. by Raphael · · Score: 5, Informative
      It would be nice to see something similar for the other countries.

      There is a link to a list of other countries on the page that you linked to. It doesn't have a detailled commentary and analysis, but this is good enough to have an overview of who voted against patents.

      If you are living in Europe, take a look at the chart for your country and see who you should vote for. Personally, I am glad that the MEPs that I voted for in the previous election have clearly voted in favor of the FFII and against patents (i.e., they got a high score in the chart). I will vote for them again in a few days.

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    3. Re:UK MEP voting records. by stephenbooth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately UKIP seems to have strong links to the British National Party (i.e. National Front with more expensive suits). Not the sort of people I want to vote for. Some people have suggested the RESPECT Coalition. Unfortunately that coalition has strong links to parties like the Justice For Kashmir party (now calling themselves People's Justice Party) who are a Pro-Islamic Pro-Pakistani Anti-Everyone else party who's core policies (their rasion d'etre infact) are based around separating Kashmir from India and giving it to Pakistan. Again, not people I want to vote for.

      I think I'll be voting Labour again ont he grounds that that they've got the best chance of keeping the JFK out in my area.

      Stephen

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    4. Re:UK MEP voting records. by Raphael · · Score: 5, Informative

      In addition to the link in my previous comment, here is a convenient list of links to the very nice MEP analysis site created by Christian Beauprez. I hope that he will forgive me for any slashdotting:

      Check how your elected representatives have supported patents so far, and decide how to vote in a few days.

      Slashdot readers from countries such as UK, Germany or Spain have a lot of work to do! Talk to your friends, family, coworkers and MEPs and try to change the tide...

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    5. Re:UK MEP voting records. by pubjames · · Score: 3, Informative

      UKIP seem to be best

      Please do not vote for the UKIP because of this issue. They are racists.

  4. I've said it before... by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and I'll say it again: You haven't got a chance. Why? Because at the end of the day/week/month/whatever the anti patent lobbiests are going to go home and then go back to their day jobs. The Pro patent lobbiests are going to do the same, only their job is to lobby for patents all day. There's just too much money for these greedy bastards to leave on the table. Free software looks good, but it doesn't get money flowing in an economy. Without money flowing, you've got no tax dollars, and you've got fewer people doing less work (which is a good thing BTW, for all but the wealthy bastards that manipulate the poor to satisfy their staggering greed). The trick to economy (and society) is to get people to work really really hard for you so you can live like a God among men. Patents are just one step along in the process.

    Not trolling, I'm just a pessimist (and a lazy speller).

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    1. Re:I've said it before... by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 5, Insightful
      This has been said time and again (Bush said it over Kyoto). "If path x is followed, it will damage our economy".

      It won't. It will just move things around. Software automation didn't wipe out millions of jobs. It created new ones.

      Free software will just end up with another bunch of jobs (it may actually create more jobs due to some decentralisation), but maybe consumers will get more bang for their buck.

      If people don't spend money on software, they'll spend it on something else. Maybe some guy will go and buy some more beers because he doesn't have to pay for some software. Who knows.

      It's all consumer led. If people perceive some piece of free software as cheaper or better, they will switch. All lobbyists can do is to delay what is natural and inevitable.

  5. This weeks Slashdot challenge... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The only way to influence politicians is to get column inches and air time. The only sure way to do that is to do something dramatic (a la fuel protests, anti-war protests, anything that mildly annoys the French, etc.)

    So, here's the Slashdot challenge: Come up with and implement a scheme to draw the media's attention to this issue. The winner is the first to make it to the BBC evening news...

  6. For the Dutch people by PhuckH34D · · Score: 5, Informative

    BOF (Bits Of Freedom) has an document online [dutch] where they examined what our politicians voted on several "computer/internet related" laws, including software patents. (English version of BOF is here, but I couldn't find an english version of this document)

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  7. Where are all the teeth? by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It might also be worth bending your MEP's ear on what the point of the parliament is if the council of ministers can simply retract bills which have been ammended and then resubmit them with all of the ammendments removed. They may be more likely to apply what little power they do have.

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  8. Info for Sweden by tero · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's what some of the Swedish candidates had to say about software patents http://mnemo.nu/publicerat/2004/may/candidates.php . FFII Sweden also put together information brochure, which is perfect to print out and leave in strategic places around the office (coffee tables, lunch room etc.)

  9. For all the Finns by Weird+O'Puns · · Score: 5, Informative

    Electronic Frontier Finland ry has already send a questionnaire about software patents, spam, copyright etc. to the Finnish candidates. They have set up a page where you can compare your oppinions with those of the ones who answered.

  10. You are worse than the patent lobbiests by Sanity · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You haven't got a chance.
    Its pessimistic cynics like you that are the real enemy, not the lobbiests - at least they are honest about which side they are on, but you hurt the side you claim to support.

    The only way to guarantee failure here is not to try in the first place, yet that is exactly what your brand of pessimism encourages.

    If we win this it will be no thanks to people like you.

    1. Re:You are worse than the patent lobbiests by oob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Its pessimistic cynics like you...

      "Pessimist" is a term that optimists use to describe realists.

      I agree with the grandparent post, there is no point lobbying on this issue because it isn't goint to change the outcome. No amount of lobbying or votes will outweigh the corporate interest. We could have a million people demonstrating in each of London, Paris, Madrid, Rome and Berlin and it wouldn't alter public policy - oh and the headlines would read "Dozens arrested at Hippie love parade for drug offences and property damage."

      But hey, knock yourself out and lobby anyway, safe in the illusion that a ballot makes you a part of the political process.

      Personally, I think politicans will only become representative when each member of the electorate is holding something a little more attention grabbing than a ballot slip in their hands.

  11. It pays off by andr0meda · · Score: 5, Interesting


    I've written my national and regional MP of the department of Work and Economy, and she promissed me to make sure belgium would not vote yes to the proposal of the current Irish presidency. Belgium (my country) subsequently abstained from the vote, along with a few others. Germany, which was expected to at least abstain, and that had said it would vote no, in the end voted yes, which makes blocking the proposal a whole lot more difficult (but not impossible). I won't pretend my writing made the difference, but I would say that yes, it does pay off to make some noise.

    The big problem here is that lawyers and rulemakers can be bought, and that the FFII does not represent the kapitalist industry that can apparently leverage any vote it wants, 'xcept for a few small stubborn but harmless ones.

    So, open your eyes, ladies and gentlemen, because King Kapitalism, in this case, is ~BAD~. I'm not a commie nor a leftie, but I just wanted to say this loud and clear, so that some people at least for once get the message. And no, I'm not an Anti-globalist, but I very much *AM* a Different-globalist, who wants to bring the power back to the ones who need it (us, the people, in case you were wondering)

    Write your MP today, and get your friends to write as well. It's not so difficult to write a well founded email, and at least they will be aware that some groups in society WILL have a problem and at least HAVE warned the EU of the consequences. It will make their case less convincing, and they will never be able to say "uh, we didn't know". Write today. Peace out.

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  12. Re:Waste of time by Sanity · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I wrote a letter to my MP and MEP and all I basically got back was a nice parliamentary compliment slip and a letter with the lowest signal to noise ratio ever. They're all toeing the party line.
    So thats when you gave up - eh? Sucker.

    You have to challenge them to think about this, if they reply to you with the party line, phone them up, explain that you are familiar with the party position but that it is wrong - and politely ask for the opportunity to explain why.

    I contacted my MEP, Avril Doyle (Ireland), and while she was previously unfamiliar with the issue, she actually became a strong opponent of software patents based on my and other's conversations with her.

    Don't give up - if your political representatives don't listen, make them listen.

  13. So email them by Sanity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have found most MEPs to be quite responsive to email these days.

  14. MEPs of NL by Flyboy+Connor · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Last September, before the meeting of the European Parliament on the proposal, I wrote a letter to all MEPs of The Netherlands on this issue. I got two responses.

    The first was from a right-wing MEP that stated that I shouldn't get worked up over this, that it wasn't all as bad as it sounded, and that I should trust them to do the right thing (fat chance).

    The second was from a MEP of the democratic party (D'66) who did give the response I had hoped for ("software patents bad, open source good"), who I found indeed voted against software patents, and who later got back to me providing the amended text of the proposal, and the further statement that they would keep on fighting the European Commission if it would reject the amendments (which it did).

    So you can guess where my vote is going.

  15. No, they don't by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't talk bollocks. Not all of the parties have the same policies. You can quite clearly see from the following table which parties vote which way...

    http://www.ffii.org.uk/votes/swpat/country/UK.ht ml

    So not only do you vote for one of their opposition, you tell your current MEPs how you are going to vote and why...

    The thing about the european parliament is that it is a proportional representation system which means that your vote *DOES* count. If you vote for a Green, it increases the numbers of Greens in the parliament.

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  16. Lemme guess, you're Danish? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 5, Insightful
    As Bert Brecht said:

    Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.

    (He who fights may lose. He who does not fight has already lost)

    They may have more money, and more time, but on June 13th, it's us who'll be calling the shots. So don't give up too quickly!

  17. Don't vote UKIP! by dizzyduck · · Score: 3, Informative

    Robert Kilroy-Silk is one of their candidates. I think that says it all.

    Vote Green!

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  18. Sweden by Daniel+Vallstrom · · Score: 4, Informative
    Here is a link with some info on how the parties and some candidates stand on the issue.

    Roughly, the two largest parties, the social democrats (socialdemokraterna) and the right wing party (moderaterna), are in favor of software patents while the rest, the liberals (folkpartiet), the leftmost party (vaensterpartiet), the greens (miljoepartiet),... are against.

    (I'm voting for Olle Schmidt of the liberal party but I'm not affiliated with anything above.)

  19. Anti-patent lobbyists for SW are broader than OSS! by ram4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But anti-patent lobbyists are not necessary Open Source code writers. Think about a small software business, who will be selling its products, and which will therefore contribute to generating cash flows. Do you really think that this small business selling its product will not be infringing hundreds of patents already filled-in by the big corporations?

    And should that small business come up with a really nice idea that could deserve a patent, chances are that this patent will not be enforcible against big corporations (who will surely find that company already infringing some of the patents in its portfolio) but only against other small businesses who compete on the same market. Thereby killing competition early when it should on the contrary be promoted!

    Maybe all the Open Source authors are anti-patent lobbyists, but that is not the sole population who should be fighting against that system!

    The purpose of the patent system in the indusrty is to grant one the right of acting as a "monopoly" for a limited amount of time, in return for the invention being disclosed. In a competitive industry, this is the way of gaining a competitive advantage, and it is indeed the motor of invention, because if they don't innovate, competitors won't gain a competitive advantage.

    This does not transpose well to the software industry because it is already a world dominated by giants who already have tons of patents for silly things. The one-click patent from Amazon is a good example of how deviant the system can become... Not even talking about whether the idea itself was an invention or not, it gives an unfair competitive advantage to Amazon because it is applicable to the way of conducting business on the Internet and not to the business in which Amazon is competing.

  20. UK list of candidates by tplayford · · Score: 4, Informative

    The BBC produce a nice list of all candidates by area:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3708131.stm

  21. Lib Dems? by BenjyD · · Score: 3, Informative

    In the UK at least, the Liberal Democrats seem to have some idea at least about copyright and patents as they relate to software. This paper mentions software patents as a bad thing, states that allowing only copyright protection on code rather than patents encourage competition in the software market place, along with a bunch of other generally sensible ideas.