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Ten Years of BeOS
Tracker writes "BeOS was released to developers officially for the first time ten years ago. OSNews has a charming write-up about the BeOS, some interesting historical events since 1994, and a few anecdotes as well. Today, BeOS still lives on with projects like the freeware BeOS Max (built upon BeOS 5 PE), the open source re-implementation from scratch OpenBeOS and YellowTAB's commercial Zeta OS (based on unreleased and updated code of what would have been 'BeOS 6' if Be wasn't purchased by Palm in 2001)."
IMHO a very good approach, as using the Linux kernel and XFree86 will take care of the lack-of-drivers problem that the original BeOS had. Also, this will give it decent OpenGL performance for free, which was also one of the weak points of the original BeOS (and will be one of the other sucessors).
It didn't. The difference was the BeOS 5 PE could be launched from an icon on your desktop and booted in virtually no time at all (~15 seconds including hardware detection?). BeOS *was* being distributed with Windows PCs, unlike linux, which was pretty rough round the edges then. BeOS had all the ease of a user-centric destkop OS, and could be easily bundled on the same PC. MS didn't like that at all and killed it dead.
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So BeOS DIDN'T settle a lawsuit with MS concerning dual-booting?
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Exactly...keep in mind that *Dell* wanted to install BeOS alongside Windows. AFAIK, Dell wasn't about to install something like that if there wasn't good driver support. The only thing that held them back was MS restricting them from setting up a dual boot system. That was the kind of solid, antitrust stuff the Justice Department should have focused on, not some vague bullshit with Netscape & Sun.
In other news, I finally got part of my "Be vs MS" lawsuit settlement proceeds just recently.
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I really miss the custom attributes that were such a unique feature of BeOS - I don't believe any other OS has implemented such a scheme.
Some have. XFS on IRIX and Linux can too, but on Linux support for those attributes suck.
Make's you wonder what what OS X would have been like had Apples plan to by BeOS not fallen through. BeOS had a lot of features NeXT did not have and some that are just being implemented now, such as journaled file systems found in Panther. Well, the reverse is true ;-) -- the NeXT development environment was way ahead (and still is). Even if BeOS dev was quite nice, for sure. Plus, OPENSTEP used vector display system (DisplayPostScript), which then permitted true wysiwyg, and leads to DisplayPDF.
Actually, you can't imagine what OSX would have been like, because frankly, OSX is quite different from OPENSTEP, and not always in a good way. The need of supporting legacy -- software and UI -- would have modified BeOS the same way it has modified OPENSTEP. I personally much prefer OPENSTEP UI (I'm speaking about the feel, not the look -- although I also happend to like the clean look of OPENSTEP over the in-your-face look in OSX ... but commercially (marketing) it's more useful to have OSX look :-)
- AtheOS is no longer developed, and the codebase has not been updated in several years.
- Syllable is our community-driven fork of AtheOS, which was started two years ago.
- AtheOS domain lapsed and is now hosting a knock-off website hawking drugs
We're halfway through development of Syllable 0.5.4, which like all previous releases of Syllable, will rock. We support a whole bunch of hardware, have developed the codebase heavily and for those of you who were familiar with Kurt Skuans style of working with AtheOS, we have a far more open development model. All are welcome to contribute. You can even download a LiveCD if you want to give it a spin.Syllable : It's an Operating System
Actually from what I've seen, a lot is in there. PalmSource (not to be confused with PalmOne mind you) seems to have put a ton of work into making Palm OS a *real* OS with the same mentality that BeOS had (sorry has) of working multimedia into the core of the OS. Let's just say that mine was one of many jaws dropping at PalmSource earlier this year.
So yes, there is a lot of Be in Cobalt (multimedia, POSIX, etc)
Now we just have to see were the market is going. PalmSource seems to be looking at Garnet (which is targeted at the small foot-print phone market space) as the cash cow for the future. I had hoped that Sony would lead the charge and release a Cobalt Clie (as they tend to beat the more conservative PalmOne to market on such things) but with them dropping out. Outlook not so good. I just hope that Colbalt doesn't get infected with the same ahead-of-its-time issue that BeOS suffered. At least to PalmSource's credit, they really bent over backwards to make the old PalmOS stuff work, without polluting the new too badly. (If BeOS had had a WINE for MacOS emulator to bridge the app gap, it might have done better.)
That lawsuit was settled in September of 2003. When they were down to a skeleton company w/ 1 employee - their lawyer. They settled because they had no money to continue fighting, and needed to pay creditors.
So yes, after microsoft put them out of business by eliminating the market through monopolistic business practices, Be sued them for it and settled for 23 million when they couldn't go on.
This doesn't eliminate the original point.. it only shows how fully destroyed they were by Microsoft.
There are a million ISA/PCI/etc devices like that. I remember in high school we had a prototyping I/O card for electronics class, it had a fat port on the back that you could connect to an optional external card that had screwdown terminals. Programming it was dead simple, we'd mock stuff up in QuickBasic but you could have used anything you wanted.
The coolest thing about it, was that it was - to the computer - an addon LPT port. So you could build your gizmo easily with the screw-down terminals, and once it was working you could easily replace the bare wires to the IO card with a DB25 connector and have an actual useful thing.
Google around, there are a million such devices. They dont come standard on Dells because the people who would want one build their own machines.
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Actually, it was mostly lack of App support that killed it for me. I'd boot into it, play with ArtPaint until it crashed, read Slashdot on NetPositive, play with the 3D audio thingie until it crashed, do the movies-on-a-cube demo, then boot back into Windows and get back to work, making web pages with Netscape, HomeSite, and Photoshop. *sigh* It was cool, though. I had R3, 4, and 5 for Intel. I was always hoping it would wind up catching on. The real-time effects in ArtPaint were awesome, and it ran like a greased duck on an AMD/300 with 48 MB RAM. Oh yeah, and the right-click navigation was cool, too.
And now that I know what a database is good for, I *wish* someone would implement a comparable database-based filesystem. I would *kill* to do complex queries on my filesystem and get the results back instantly. Hardware wasn't too much of a problem--just buy from the list, which I did, and you're fine. SoundBlaster sound card, ATI video card, life was fine. I'm sure i you wanted the newest NVidia stuff for gaming it sucked, but if you are happy with the supported HW list and bought from it, all was great.
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Palm has no plans to open source the BeOS code, mainly because there would be no profit in it, and also because there are licensing issues with bits and pieces of it. Most BeOS fans wanted Palm to open source the code to speed up OpenBeOS and the other projects out there, but I think we've done fine without it. :)
Zeta is a small company in Germany, and as far as I know, has no connection to Palm other than the license deal.
As it was written, so shall it be, from the book of Be... ;)
"(If BeOS had had a WINE for MacOS emulator to bridge the app gap, it might have done better.)"
I thought it did. It was called SheepShaver or something like that. This still didn't solve the driver problems though.
"Windows still requires a lengthy and buggy third-party driver installation process" and compiling drivers some guy from arkansas wrote for his printer is not a lengthy and buggy third-part driver installation process? Comparing that to windows is ridiculous. With windows, you get the driver on the CD with the device. You put the CD in, it copies files. 3 minutes later, your hardware is ready for use. No rebooting, no command prompts, no newsgroups, no make, no nothing. How you can seriously say Linux has better driver support than windows is beyond me. A true fanboy, you must be.
Saying it's about marketing is silly. To adopt linux, people have to start using an OS they're unfamiliar with. An OS with lots of quirks and less-than-easy ways of doing things (.conf files? try explaining those to a CEO or your gran). It simply costs too much to change to linux. I'm not talking monetarily, but through productivity. Open Office is a great attempt at taking business from microsoft, but microsofts product is simply better. It loads in seconds, sets the standards (so isn't permanently playing catch-up), looks good and interoperates with the OS. Open office can't boast any of those things, so if people move to it, they automatically lose functionality and productivity.
The second an average windows user can move from Windows to Linux without having to learn anything is the day linux will do well. As the shell is still an integral part of Linux, that's not going to happen any time soon.
Technically, Windows also has it on NTFS filesystems.
However as no Microsoft application uses them (except maybe the explorer integrated image viewer in WinXP), no one else uses them. And of course, FAT does not have it and backward compatibility seems to be an issue for Microsoft.
You remember wrong. It ran on just about any PPC (before that it ran on AT&T Hobbit chips, but thats another story). It also supported dual CPUs. At the time there where no low cost multi cpu PPC systems out there so Be made their own. It had zero video production ability. It had some nice audio features (four MIDI ports for one thing), but it used basic PCI video cards and had support for one TV card.
"Then they ported it to the powermacs (brand new ) at the time."
Nope, the PPC version ran on Powermacs from the get go. Granted there was a slight hold up as soem drivers needed to be written. However any of the clone systems based on CHIRP or its prediccesor worked out of the box.
"It would not run on standard intel hardware for another few years."
Once Jobs killed the clones off there was no point in supporting the PPC platform any more.
"When an x86 port was finally available software developer companies noticed no one was buying it (thanks to limited hardware requirements) so they decided it was a dude."
The most interesting software was written in the PPC BeBOX days. Most of it never made it over to the intel side. I recal a very cool audio program called BeatBox that let you hook up 12 mice/touch pads and "scratch" MP3 or CD audio tracks in real time.
"The few software that was written was powerpc based."
You seem to have no idea what you're talking about.
"If BE released it for x86 during its initial release its possible they could have had more users."
Why? You may as well say that if Apple hadn't killed off the PPC systems we'd all be running PPC based BeOS boxes.
"Also by now Windows2k is not too bad with video and graphics. Its still slower then linux and Be but not by much."
Eh? Windows2k us MUCH better at video then BeOS ever was.
"We also have journaling filesystems now, advanced threading, realtime support in the newest linux kernels, and today's hardware is much faster."
True, BeOS runs realy well on a P4.
"People used BE for specialized work and a really really fast system on ancient hardware. That problem is going away now."
No they didn't.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
From the register:
Hitachi had agreed to license BeOS, and ship a dual-boot system using Be's boot loader and an icon on the desktop that enabled a Windows user to reboot into BeOS with one click.
"Microsoft sent two U.S. managers to Japan who expressed their 'anger' with Hitachi over its arrangement with Be, and 'reminded' Hitachi of the terms of its Windows license," according to the claim. "
now stfu.