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the morgawr writes "According to the EE Times and Science Blog, a scientist at University of Rhode Island has developed a new type of antenna design that, by increasing the efficiency, performs as well as the convential quarter-wave design but is only 1/3 as large."

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  1. Very promising! by erick99 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From the article:

    To check his theory, Vincent analyzed and compared the current profiles, output power and a score of other standard tests for measuring antenna performance. All measurements were in reference to comparative measurements made on a quarter-wave vertical antenna for the same frequency, on the same ground system and same power input. "I was able to increase the current profile of the antenna over a quarter-wave by as much as two to 2.5 times," said Vincent.

    As a ham (amateur radio operator) this sounds like a very exciting development. I would like to see more "real life" testing in a variety of settings. Still, the idea of an antenna that can be reduced in size by that much (2/3) comes in very handy on the low bands where it's not uncommon to use several hundred feet of wire (Usually into a tuner).

    Happy Trails!

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    1. Re:Very promising! by ejdmoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As a user of all things gadgety and all things wireless, I can't wait to have this on my cell phone ! It could improve battery life or reception (depending on how it's calibrated).

      However, this brings up a question...is this a design that scales to something as small as a cell phone?

    2. Re:Very promising! by josecanuc · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The great thing about antenna design and RF theory is that all of the design happens in the mathematics domain, so all designs are infinitely scaleable. The only hitch may be in manufacturing, since small designs can be affected by molecular structure (or at least moreso than larger designs...)

      The articles did mention that it could be used in the frequency bands that cell phones use, so you're in luck!

      And actually, it would improve BOTH battery life and reception, since receiving a signal doesn't require any more or less power based on the antenna or incoming signal strength (excepting preamps). All other things being equal, if you decrease the transmit power, increase the antenna gain (which gives a gain for both receive and transmit), then you use less power overall, but can output an equivalent signal.

      Improved reception is an unrelated (to power consumption) bonus.

    3. Re:Very promising! by NearlyHeadless · · Score: 4, Informative
      I knew a HAM who was doing this in 1994 for a company he worked with. This scientist sure is a genius when a HAM with nothing but a high school education pulled off the same thing.
      There was an article about this "scientist" in the New York Times yesterday. (No registration link). He is actually just a technician in the university's physics department. He doesn't have even an undergraduate degree.
  2. Ahh yes, but.... by BlueCodeWarrior · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can it be adjusted to fit on top of my tinfoil hat?

    1. Re:Ahh yes, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, but you'd look like a Teletubby...

  3. Suggested name... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "performs as well as the convential quarter-wave design but is only 1/3 as large"

    Behold! I give you the twelfth-wave design!!

  4. Genetic Algorithm by dustmote · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How does it compare against that bizarre antenna developed by genetic algorithms that we saw a story on a few months ago? Or am I comparing apples and oranges here?

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    1. Re:Genetic Algorithm by Allen+Zadr · · Score: 4, Informative
      If this is the right story... Markland Tech created a Gas Plasma antenna.

      The purpose for the Markland antanna is "stealth" - it can turn on and off and re-tune itself on the fly. It is also a directional antenna. The antenna in this story is a smaller form factor for a wide frequency range omni-directional antenna.

      Basically they are apples and oranges.

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  5. Will we see this at by Allen+Zadr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Will we see this at next year's WiFi Shootout?

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    1. Re:Will we see this at by scatter_gather · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not unless you look 3 times harder.

  6. let it be said: patents at their best by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    this is patents at their best: the little guy innovates, and becomes the not-so-little guy in reward

    that should be the purpose of patents, to protect the little guy who innovates

    let us hope that we can back to this world, a world where patents reward innovation, instead of suppress it

    it is a delicate balance, but there are hordes of ip lawyers and corporate whores out there who are hard at work, having sold their conscience, hard at work warping the balance in the direction of those who don't deserve to be rewarded for suppressing true innovation like this

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    1. Re:let it be said: patents at their best by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Hopefully it is innovative. A lot of people have played around with antennas over the years, especially amateurs trying to fit a big antenna in a small space. I'd be surprised if no one has tried something close to it.

      So let's hope it's not just a tweak of something that was in QST magazine thirty years ago.

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    2. Re:let it be said: patents at their best by AliasTheRoot · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just hope he hasn't taken a 30 foot antenna and bent it every 12 inches then wrapped ductape around it.

  7. smart card insertion? by bobba22 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "With the new helix design, Vincent has built a prototype 7-GHz antenna that he claims is indistinguishable from a quarter-wave antenna in all but its size. "Because the new design is completely planar, we could crank these out using thin-film technologies," Vincent said." Sounds like the answer to radio -powered smart cards ios just around the corner?

  8. No details of operation by AliasTheRoot · · Score: 4, Informative

    All i could see is that it is a 2-dimensional helix, so it's likely to be directional, if radio waves aren't hitting it on the perpendicular they will miss.

    The other thing I saw was that you tuned the antenna for a frequency with components - does this mean potentiometers or does it mean scrapping it and buying another 2d helix tuned to the specific wavelenghth?

  9. I doubt this will shorten AM towers by Punchinello · · Score: 4, Interesting
    And those 300-foot tall antennas for the 900-KHz AM band that dominate skylines would have to be only 80 feet high, with no compromise in performance, using Vincent's design, he said.

    Hmmm... I am no expert, but I thought those AM towers were tall so the antenna could be placed at the highest possible altitude. The radio transmitters in the Philadelphia, PA area are also located in the highest place in the region geographically.

    I think the actual antenna is attached to the top of the tower. It's not the entire tower. Can someone help me out here?

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    1. Re:I doubt this will shorten AM towers by ONOIML8 · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, you're thinking of the VHF FM band...that is exactly the case there.

      On the AM radio band the tower IS the antenna. What you see sticking up in the air is usually insulated from ground right at the base, the part you see is actually hot. Therefore the tower itself radiates and is engineered to be a certain height as part of antenna design.

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    2. Re:I doubt this will shorten AM towers by Air-conditioned+cowh · · Score: 5, Informative

      "I think the actual antenna is attached to the top of the tower. It's not the entire tower. Can someone help me out here?"

      Long (LF) and medium wave (MF) antennas usually are the entire tower because of the low wavelength. For VHF (e.g. FM radio) and TV the antenna is much shorter so it is at the top of the tower.

      One way to tell if it is not obvious is to look at the steel support ropes. If they are broken along their length with insulators then it is probably a long wave or medium wave antenna. The steel rope is broken in this way to prevent the wire being long enough to become a significant and undesireable part of the antenna.

    3. Re:I doubt this will shorten AM towers by div_2n · · Score: 4, Informative

      As others have noted, the tower is the antenna. The output line coming from an AM transmitter is fixed directly to the tower. Usually this is not fixed at ground level to avoid killing a passerby. RF waves WILL arc and kill. Also, if you are feeling especially depressed and want to cause yourself bodily harm, walk up to a hot AM tower barefoot and grab it.

      As it says in the article, wet (and salty which I didn't know) ground is best for transmission. AM towers are often set in a group of three and set in low lying wetlands (near water especially). If you look closely, you will see that the only thing perched on top would be the strobes (if applicable).

    4. Re:I doubt this will shorten AM towers by Theaetetus · · Score: 4, Informative
      AM towers are often set in a group of three and set in low lying wetlands (near water especially).

      Just to add... since the entire tower is the radiator at AM frequencies, the multiple towers are used for directionality... just like in VHF and UHF (and cell) frequencies, multiple antennae are usually mounted on the towers (though it's tough to see individual antennas since they're usually placed either 1/4-wave or 1/2-wavelength apart... in VHF that would be about 6-10 feet).

      So anyways, several AM towers in a straight line (like WEEI, 4 towers south of Boston, or many others - there's a 6-tower set just west of NYC) yield a sort of figure-8 pattern, with the lobes pointed in the same direction as the line of towers... usually an easy way to tell the direction to the nearest big city. There are also directional patterns that aren't so easy, like one of my sites, WRNI in Rhode Island, which has 4 towers, set in a sort of Y shape. 3 are used during the day for one pattern, and one of them turns off and a different one turns on a night for a different pattern.

      -T

    5. Re:I doubt this will shorten AM towers by W2IRT · · Score: 4, Informative
      One way to tell if it is not obvious is to look at the steel support ropes. If they are broken along their length with insulators then it is probably a long wave or medium wave antenna. The steel rope is broken in this way to prevent the wire being long enough to become a significant and undesireable part of the antenna.

      An even easier way to tell is look where it's installed and how many towers there are.

      "AM" radio (actually, MF broadcast) transmitter sites are almost exclusively found in low, wet, marshy land in order to maximize their groundwave coverage and to get a good counterpoise (RF ground).

      Not just that, but many "AM" transmitter sites -- though certainly not all, however -- encompass a number of similar towers in an array, not just one or two. This is done in order to direct their signals in certain directions and to null out their signals in other directions (since MW broadcast signals carry over somewhat great distances after dark).

      VHF Broadcast ("FM") and television trnasmitters, on the other hand, are located on high towers on the highest ground available. VHF and UHF are line of sight, hence the higher the better.

      As previous posters have stated, "AM" transmitting antennae are the towers themselves. Using the equation 468/f (MHz), a quarter wavelength for 1000 kHz is 468 feet high! VHF antennae, on the other hand, are MUCH shorter and are mounted atop supporting towers.

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  10. Bandwidth of the antenna by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Informative
    I wish the linked article had shown some VSWR plots of the antenna vs. conventional designs - I'm betting this antenna has a very narrow bandwidth.

    There are several parameters for an antenna system (receive parameters in parens):
    1. VSWR bandwidth - this is the range of frequencies over which the antenna will correctly accept the signals, rather than reflecting them to the transmitter (in receive, the range of frequencies the antenna will properly couple to the receiver.). For a fixed-frequency system (like a radio station) this is less of a concern, for a frequency agile system like a cell phone this becomes more of a concern - if some of the cell channels are out of the bandwidth of the system operation will suffer.
    2. "Gain" of the antenna - technically no antenna can radiate more power than it receives from the transmitter (deliver more power than is available in the environment). However, if you are talking to a system "over there", any signals not going over there are wasted - thus an antenna that focuses the signal in the desired direction provides gain. The article implies a gain consistent with a dipole, but there are other antenna designs that provide even more gain than that.
    3. Radiation angle - this is the set of directions from which the RF will radiate from the antenna (be accepted by the antenna), and is linked to the gain of the antenna. For example, a phone should have a radiation angle as close to 0 degrees (toward the horizon) as possible - signals radiated at, say, 45 degrees are unlikely to hit a tower and are just being radiated into space.


    Most compact designs trade bandwidth for performance - the work well at f=NNN.N MHz, but not well at f=NNN.N + .yy MHz.

    This gets to be REALLY important for wide band systems like CDMA and UWB.
  11. I was happy to see... by mobiux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That the University of Rhode Island and the Physics dept were made beneficiaries of the patent.

    I can see this generating alot of revenue, and people (corporations) that may try to rip this off.
    At least they will have a vested interest in fighting for the patent.

  12. Pringles mini can by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Funny

    He found that by using those pringles mini cans, he could get similar reception to that of a regular-sized pringles can.

    He expects to get a 10x power boost from metal chewing gum wrappers, and 50x from a microwaved AOL CD!

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  13. let's ask the ladies out there by Jrod5000+at+RPI · · Score: 4, Funny

    c'mon, i don't care what you say... if it's 1/3 as large no woman on earth would believe it performs as well! :p

  14. Re:Heh by denisdekat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Rats, so that means I got to get good at using it then :( All along I was counting on my size... Of antena that is ;)

  15. Interesting coincidence by Insurgent2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was just reading about something like this just last night.
    I'll bet it ends up working on the same principle that Bill Beatty is talking about when he got to thinking about why it is that an atom can absorb light so readily even though the size of the atom is such a small fraction of the wavelength.
    Relevent articles:
    Energy sucking antenna
    On the Possibility That Electromagnetic Radiation Lacks Quanta of Any Kind
    Nearfield coupling and tuned circuits

  16. Ham response by tetranz · · Score: 4, Informative

    I wish them well but FWIW, it got a skeptical response on this popular ham site qrz.com

    1. Re:Ham response by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      that is because it goes agains all antenna and RF theory.

      Granted, I have seen antennas that defy logic until you really understand how they are working.... the Discone antenna for example... but this one still is baffling and the lack of details increases the skeptical thoughts... no explination at ALL on how it works, no theory explained other than "i did this... no you cant look at it!" responses...

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  17. Re:Picture anyone? by wombatmobile · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd love to see a picture of this as I don't know much about antennae.

    Here.
  18. not possible by pcmanjon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hmmmm.. a 'ham' making new antenna discoveries...sounds familiar:-)

    It is not physically possible to attain a moderate Q or low Q, thin monopole --antenna-- which is 15-18 inches on 21 MHz and is efficient. This is not a statement against K1DFT, or anyone else. It is a statement of fact, based on the physics of very electrically small antennas, and many years professionally devoted to pursuing such issues. K1DFT has apparently pursued a path long since traveled by many others, and not only myself.

    Occasionally, in some form factors, it is possible to trade efficiency for gain, but this is too short for that. And so much for bandwidth.

    Great care needs to be taken to remove multipath effects in the measurement of gain, and greater care needs to be taken in equating measured comparitive gain with actual antenna efficiency. Based on this anecdotal report, there is no evidence presented that such issues could be removed in the measurements.

    Radiation resistance results from an antenna's sampling portions of radiating waves. A short antenna samples a small portion of the wave--and not from the peak, unless the electrical length is 1/4 to 1/2 the wave or more. Multiple current maxima do help increase radiation resistance. Efficiency is derived from the ratio of this radiation resistance to the total resistance--which includes ohmic losses. Distributed discrete loads are moderately lossy, and one would require load Q-factors of 1000 or more to attain even moderate Q antennas with high efficiency.

    The optimization of distributed loads in monopoles is an old technology, recently aided via genetic algorithms. I recall, for example, some good work on this approach published in 1996 by Boas et al. Before that, R.C. Hansen made fundamental efforts into such understanding, as well as others. MATLAB is also a poor tool for this, because it is difficult to assess losses properly.

    Another concern is: what is radiating? In some cases, ground planes (counterpoises) do, indeed, radiate in the far field and are thus part of the antenna. The monopole 'antenna' is often a loading mechanism in this case, and contributes little to the radiation. There are commercially used 'antennas' that are 1/10 th the height of a 1/4 wave or less; are broad/multiband/ and so on. This is not new. They are used in wireless LAN; RFID; and cell phones; and many other places.

    Many here are aware of my efforts in fractal antenna technology--which started in a similar radio amateur vein. Although I applaude continued efforts into antenna experimentation through ham radio, I must confess that my educated opinion is that nothing new has, or will be, attained by such efforts. The state of the art is often not public, and far outstrips what is commonly available in, for example, amateur radio publications. I would enjoy being wrong, however. In fact, I'd get a great kick out of it.

    It's sure fun to read about though, and experimenting is fun to do.

    1. Re:not possible by pcmanjon · · Score: 4, Informative

      It should be pointed out that the inventor mentioned in the news release is listed in the Unversity's directory as a "Technician". That is, he is not one of the Physics Department faculty. So I think it highly unlikely that any government funding is involved, or that it will be published. Looking at their website which lists their research programs, in fact, there is no mention of anything having to do with antennas. So in all likelihood this is a bootleg or personal effort, not an official University project. That is not necessarily mean it's bogus - I haven't seen the details myself - so I'm just pointing out that if it does turn out to be nonsense, we should not condemn the Physics department for it!

      I am a physicist myself, currently doing materials research for the Navy. From time to time throughout my career, I have been approached by "inventors" with various ideas. I always give these schemes due consideration because, as another poster mentioned, one should keep an "open mind". But mainly because, even if the idea as a whole is nonsense, there may be elements of it that worth something.

      There is a pattern. Almost all of the "inventions" that have been presented to me for evaluation and endorsement have made remarkable claims about "efficiency" approaching 100% -or in some cases exceeding 100%. This always turns out to be due to the inventor not recognizing and accounting for all the losses in the system, or making bad assumptions about efficiency being equal to some other factor (there are a few hams, for example, who mistakenly equate SWR with efficiency). There is another pattern to this sort of thing - that is, when I point out the error, they almost always accuse me of not having an "open mind" and I sometimes get a lecture from them about "paradigm shifts" or Einstein or Tesla and so on. etc. Then sometimes they proceed to harass me for months with minor variations of their idea. I always wonder why, if I don't have an "open mind" and am part of the entrenched establishment, why do they work so hard to try to get my endorsement!

      Some of these have been pretty interesting ideas that have taken up to a week to study. Some of have been utter nonsense. I was even approached once by someone who claimed to have found some "particles" left behind by aliens who had abducted him, and he wanted me to "analyze" them. Well, I did an analysis and identified it to be a chuncks of Hartz hamster food. But that's another story.

      I can't say whether the antenna inventor in this case might have approached someone in the physics department about this antenna, and if he did whether he was turned away, and if so, why.

      Just suggesting that (1) we should not condemn the idea outright until we get some first-hand information on what the guy actually claimed - press releases don't necessary mean anything, and (2) if it's nonsense, it is not necessarily reflective of the University's research quality.

  19. Can you say prior art? by Almost-Retired · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the simplistic description given, this design has hundreds of thousands or prior art examples already sold in the marketplace, and has had for maybe 45 years.

    Most any CB'er that wasn't running a full 1/4 wave stick on the roof of his car, and getting it mangled by driving thru any overpass with less than 14 feet of clearance, was using a shortened antenna of this design. They were also a bit narrowband, having extreme difficulties in getting 1.3/1 or better vswr performance over the 40 channels of the cb band.

    They alsa radiate a disproportionate amount of their power well above the horizon, reducing the gain in the real world.

    New? Yeah, somewhat like me, I'll be 70 in a few months.

    I suspect that there are, or were (some having gone on to that big retirement party in the sky held for failed companies or merged into oblivion entities) plenty of patents that will prove prior art, if the patent office wasn't too understaffed and lazy to search for them. Avanti & HiGain are just 2 names that come to mind.

    Scuse me while I chuckle at yet another of the patent offices incompetant blunders.

    Cheers, Gene

  20. A Very Skeptical View by AB3A · · Score: 4, Informative

    Groan. This is not as unique as most would have you think.

    First, most PCS phone antennas don't have to be shortened. The wavelength is such that it's not hard to get 1/4 wave across your typical portable phone. It's a mere 4.1 cm.

    Just so that most of you understand, a monopole antenna is really half of a folded dipole. It has a wire going up and then it goes back down the pole to a field of radials. It has a characteristic impedance of half what a folded dipole would be --about 150 ohms.

    In contrast, a normal quarter wave vertical has a characteristic impedance of about 37 ohms (assuming a very good radial system).

    Now, remember the part about heating up the antenna? The reason it happens with very short vertical antennas is because there is a current node right there at the base feedpoint. Even a small amount of resistance will generate heat. As you shorten the antenna the characteristic impedance drops. For anything less than a tenth of a wave long, it can drop to less than an ohm. At that point, ANY antenna resistance, even the normal resistance of copper or silver, becomes very relevant. If someone were to use a superconductor, it might make a very big difference.

    So a shortened vertical isn't such a good deal. We use them because sometimes that's all we can afford to install on a mobile system. This is why most hams who operate on longer wavelength bands try to locate the loading coil closer to the middle of the antenna. It gets the loading coil away from the worst of the current node, reducing i^2r losses, and increasing efficiency.

    Now, take the monopole: The current node is near the top of a quarter wave monopole, not the bottom. We still need a loading coil, however, so that we can match the impedance to something we'd expect a transmission line to have. If we shorten the monopole, we move the current node. The key is to move the current node away from the loading coil, because loading coils don't radiate well.

    Thus, what this designer has done is to distribute the loading coil of a shortened monopole so that he avoids the current node.

    There are problems, however. First, you still need an effective radial system. Without one, you simply won't have anything that radiates worth a damn. Second, while coil Q factor is less relevant where it stays away from the current node, it still has to be damned good. Further, the current node at the top needs to have very good surface conductivity.

    Finally, no matter what, a shortened vertical antenna will have a shortened bandwidth, proportional to how much the antenna itself is shorter than a regular 1/4 wave. TNSTAAFL.

    Don't misunderstand, a short antenna doesn't have to be inefficient. However efficiency is not the same thing as gain. Short antennas can not have much gain. That's a matter of physics and mathematics. And the shorter an efficient antenna gets, the less bandwidth it can cover. Despite the steady parade of publicists, that's the reality. Don't buy any snake oil, folks... This isn't really that novel.

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