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British Telecom Plans to Ditch POTS Network

Samurai Cat! writes "Yahoo news has a story up regarding British Telecom's plans to scrap their traditional circuit-switched telecom network in favor of an IP-based system." Their press release has more information.

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  1. Hope they're using QoS by mfearby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We've got ip-tel at work and it's a right bitch at times - almost like talking to someone over on a mobile. There's nothing worse than having the beginnings and endings of someone's speech cut off!

    Even with QoS, ip-tel is over rated. "It should do that"... yeah, right!

  2. IPv6 I hope... by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Considering the "impending doom" we keep hearing about of the lack of available IPv4 numbers... one can only hope they intend to roll out their new network with IPv6. Heck, even a few class A's and NAT'ing each one to 254 usable addresses wouldn't help them...

    1. Re:IPv6 I hope... by Feyr · · Score: 5, Informative

      make that clear, there is absolutely NO shortage of ipv4 addresses.

      i just received the APNIC (asia pacific) address report for this week. here's a few fun numbers:

      60% of the allocated ipv4 space has been allocated (yes you hear it right, 60%). that leaves us with 40% still to allocate. 40% of 32 bits. now:
      2**32 = 4 294 967 296
      4 294 967 296 * 0.4 = 1717986920
      that's 1.7 billions address NOT ALLOCATED

      but here's the kick, only 50% of that allocated 60% (30% of the total) are advertised (that means routable on the internet), which in turn mean much less than that are actually used (advertised does not mean it is in use)

    2. Re:IPv6 I hope... by Steffan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, it's not 1.7 billion addresses. Because of the way the address space is allocated, not every potential address is available, and that's before you take into account things like CIDR (classless interdomain routing not this)

    3. Re:IPv6 I hope... by Dolda2000 · · Score: 5, Informative
      That may well be, but lack of addresses is not the primary problem. The problem is that these available addresses are scattered all over the address space which makes routing much harder for each new address block that gets allocated.

      That's the greatest promise of IPv6 - ISPs will no longer have to divide their customers over a couple of hundred individual address blocks spread over distant areas of the IPv4 space - it's kinda like running defrag over the address space, only that this time it won't become fragmented again after just a little extra use.

  3. Fresh Meat! by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
    Well, we've Slashdotted damn near everything else on the planet (as well as several things off the planet). Taking on an entire country's phone system, complete with big fat pipes and uber-routers that do QoS management for 20 million people is just the next logical step.

    Bring it on, BT! The power of a national telephone monopoly is insignificant compared to the power of the Slashdot effect!

  4. Re:clone by Atario · · Score: 4, Funny
    clone (Score:1, Redundant)
    by FS1 (636716) on 05:01 PM -- Friday June 11 2004 (#9403544)
    dupe
    I wish I could pick which moderations to metamoderate -- and that I could metamoderate anything I wanted to "Funny". 'Cause that is funny. Clone -- Redundant -- Dupe. Perfect.
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  5. Re:super-DUPEr by Hungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Its not a dupe, its the echo coming back across the transatlantic lines from the original article.

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  6. cereal box by goats_in_boats · · Score: 5, Funny

    so, like what, i need a 2.4GHz whistle for that?

  7. Re:super-DUPEr by madprof · · Score: 5, Funny

    64 bytes from www.slashdot.org (66.35.250.151): icmp_seq=1 ttl=1 week time=2 days

  8. Every time I see this I read it as by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    British Telecom Plans to Ditch POS Network.

  9. Re:Ignoring the fact that this is a dupe... by dinodrac · · Score: 5, Informative

    >1. What are the odds of this actually being pulled off?

    Its quite possible. Major long distance carriers already do this. There are some technical issues, but they can be addressed, and VoIP uses bandwidth way more efficiently than a circuit switched network, so long term, the cost benefits do appear to be there.

    >2. How much will this effect me, a regular dialup and telephone user of British Telecom?

    As a voice user, there may be initial problems with echo, garbled voice, and delay if BT doesn't do their homework. Those problems can usually be quickly alieviated in most cases by properly employing the QoS features typically provided by high end routers.
    A bigger issue is high speed modem use over VoIP, particularly if low bitrate codecs are used. Its possible that they could effectively cripple dialup ISPs without affecting voice quality in any perceptable way.. I don't know how the british communications regulations work, but here in the US, telcos can (with very few exceptions) do whatever they want to the lines so long as voice quality isn't affected (although they do have to support 9600bps data rates, who wants to surf at that speed.) Hopefully, they will keep in mind modem users, but they may decide this is a good time to force customers into broadband.

  10. Re:Ignoring the fact that this is a dupe... by dplong · · Score: 4, Informative
    It shouldn't effect you at all. BT is replacing their network, not the local loop ("The switch-over will be seamless from the customer's perspective..."). IOW, you will still use your old analogue phone, and the copper wires will still connect your phone to the End Office, but from there on it will be all VoIP. A truly "end to end IP (Internet Protocol) based network," where you have VoIP phones everywhere, will take many decades to implement.

    VoIP isn't as exotic as people may think--you've been using it for several years on most long-distance calls for at least part of the circuit. And all of this traffic is H.323 and not SIP.

  11. Re:Ignoring the fact that this is a dupe... by mikael · · Score: 4, Informative

    1. What are the odds of this actually being pulled off?

    It shouldn't be that difficult. BT's telephone network is based on System X (and it's competitor System Y). The national network is completely digital. Each customer line would be analog (unless you have ISDN) until the local exchange, where the signal would be converted into 64 Kbits digital. Advances in technology allowed a single circuit board (A4 sized) to handle up to 4 customer lines, so the entire telephone exchange for a small village could be inside a shed. BT would probably start with upgrading the national network, then do a local exchange trial in London, and then roll out across the country.

    2. How much will this effect me, a regular dialup and telephone user of British Telecom?

    You probably wouldn't notice anything. For each exchange, they would do a gradual switch over. They'd start by adding the new links using IP packets, test them, then allow customer calls to use them, and finally disable the old system.

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  12. actually sorta on-topic... ok, it's a stretch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    An elderly lady phoned her telephone company to report that her telephone failed to ring when her friends called - and that on the few occasions when it did ring, her pet dog always moaned right before the phone rang. The telephone repairman proceeded to the scene, curious to see this psychic dog or senile elderly lady.

    He climbed a nearby telephone pole, hooked in his test set, and dialed the subscriber's house. The phone didn't ring right away, but then the dog moaned loudly and the telephone began to ring.

    Climbing down from the pole, the telephone repairman found:

    1. The dog was tied to the telephone system's ground wire via a steel chain and collar.
    2. The wire connection to the ground rod was loose.
    3. The dog was receiving 90 volts of signaling current when the phone number was called.
    4. After a couple of such jolts, the dog would start moaning and then urinate on himself and the ground.
    5. The wet ground would complete the circuit, thus causing the phone to ring.