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Buy Lindows, Get Fedora and Mandrake Too?
tacarat writes "Lindows has an interesting deal going on right now. If you go to Linuxshootout.com, you can get Linspire/Lindows 4.5, Mandrake 10 and Fedora Core 2 or a mere $29.95 download or $39.95 for the 8 CD set. Yahoo! News covers this story. Quoting Michael Robertson,'Our emphasis on Linspire is ease of use -- making Linux quick and easy to install and use,' he said. 'Other products may have a different focus. That doesn't mean they aren't great products, just that their focus may be different. Every new Linux computer helps the Linux desktop industry, regardless of what company's product you choose'. Also, 'We want to encourage side-by-side comparisons of the latest Linux products.' Interesting strategy. Will their sales go up because people are buying Lindows plus the other two distros, or will it be the other way around?"
Their intentions seem well, and I think it's a great example of how the Linux community, even between 'competing' distros, tries to help the movement as a whole.
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I think that anything that furthers Linux deployment on the desktop is a good thing. Whether or not this will have that effect is doubtful.
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This isn't a terrible plan if you a truly confident in your product. I think we've seen that Robertson is confident in Linspire, and although he may be controversial, I think he's done a lot to promote Linux. Promotion is not a bad thing, and from my experience, Linspire is not a bad introductory distro, so this is probably a good thing.
When you can encourage consumers to compare your product with others of similar caliber, it must mean you feel you're doing some things right yourself. An interesting move, at the very least.
It's only funny until someone gets hurt. Then, it's hilarious.
... if you check their Shootout list their motives seem to be less than friendly towards the other distros...
Bill Claybrook vice president at market research firm Harvard Research Group, said he can't see the point to Lindows' three-in-one packaging. "Who is going to pay money to download three Linux distributions?"
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Retail-box is also useless because one order mandrake and fedore CD from chapbytes.com and host of other websites for less $$
Looks like lindows is having hard time selling their *own* product
I think Robertson's shooting himself in the foot here. Lindows is stripped down so much that probably only the extreme newbie (as in computer newbie, not so much Linux newbie) will find it suitable. The other two allow a bit more breathing room.
He better hope that the people who buy this package try Lindows first and decide not to install Mandrake or Fedora Core otherwise there won't be too many CNR subscriptions coming his way.
In summary, he's going for the wrong market. Stick to bundling it with cheap Wal-Mart PCs, Michael.
Until Slashdot fixes the funny modifier, use insightful or interesting. The poster knows your intentions.
Moron.
apt-get is still in there. You only need to pay if you WISH to use Click-N-Run.
If you know how to use apt-get, then use it. If not, and want an easy graphical way to install software and see value in the service, then pay for it.
Sheesh.
In fairness, it looks like The "Click-N-Run" is $49 initially for one year. Not sure what the renewal costs, but I think you just buy another one year licence.
Apt-get is free and great for experienced users, but it can be tough for new users to understand. Packages aren't always organized cleanly, and there is lots of old kruft on the Debian tree (How many text editors would a non-techie need?).
I've easily spent more then $49/year of my personal time dealing with problems from Apt-get.
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
The Gentoo folk would have liked to issue a statement but were unavailable when the story went to print because they were too busy compiling.
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From the site: "Pit the best Linux products against each other!" Okay ... so can I get a CD package with Slackware, Debian and Gentoo on it? /runs away from inevitable distro war
Seriously, I wonder why there's no comparison of other desktop/newbie oriented distros, such as Xandros and Lycoris? Seems like that's the real competition to Linspire.
Then there's the supposed comparisons in their "shootout", which are just opinion in the top section, while the middle and bottom section are just outright lies.
Kinda scummy, in my opinion.
First off, the cost of Click-N-Run *is* far too high. But "don't pay money for software" -- thats a dangerous mindset for the industry. Just because its FOSS doesn't mean you shouldn't pay -- especially if you happen to think the developers deserve it. It's more like a donation to a cause that you support. I also think commercial software has its place, and obviously should be payed for. I'm sure people who program for a living would agree with me.
Who's gonna INSTALL the other distros? If you're paying to ship/download Lindows, Fedora, and Mandrake ... chances are, you're doing so because you want to install Lindows. Otherwise you'd just go get Fedora or Mandrake.
Who doesn't like free music?
"Pornography web filtering available?: Yes ( Linspire ) No ( Mandrake ) No ( Fedora )"
I'm thinking a big no on Linspire.
Slashdot sucks
you're essentially paying them to do package management for you. Once you've downloaded the software, you're free to back up and use the packages to you're hearts content. From the email:
"You can backup your programs to your hearts content. Just so you know, once you download a program, you will have access to that file forever. Under Click-N-RUn, on the Left, My Products -> All Categories. You will always be able to get these even after your subscription expires."
Oh, and if you want legal DVD playback, they've gone to the trouble to buy the licenses. For home users this isn't really an issue (yet). For system builders, you can't just go bundling libdecss with you're machines (it's also illegal to tell them to download libdecss on their own, btw).
So, no, Lindows isn't Microsoft in the making.
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That is the single most damaging mindset in the OSS camp. The goal is not for software gratis, but to have software libre.
The ideal Free Software scenario is when companies, governments and indiviuals pay people to write good, quality software. Maybe not a whole project, sometimes even just for minor improvements and bugfixes. It may be even implemented as a subscription model.
The value of software is created when the programmer programs. To make OSS succeed and suplant the commercial model we have to find ways of rewarding this activity. You can't do away with money in this society, maybe in some arachist utopia, but not in the present. For programmers to survive, we need to find ways for them to be rewarded for their time.
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Well, I would not necessarily agree... People who buy into Lindows do not (usually) download FC2, and they would not get a RedHat boxed set, so no lost sale to RH. OTOH, after they figure out that "this Linux thing" is not as scary and quite useable they might decide to try more advanced distributions and they will have a chance to do this immediately.
Paul B.