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Zeppelin Flies Again

rakerman writes "The Globe and Mail reports Japanese firm buys first new-look Zeppelin. "Makers of the revived Zeppelin airship delivered their first helium-filled craft to a commercial user Saturday, a Japanese company that plans to use the 12-seat craft for sightseeing trips and advertising." They call themselves Zeppelin-NT, or as the Germans say "Zeppelin Luftschifftechnik GmbH"."

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  1. Oh the humanity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is a terrible day! What a tragedy! Oh, my God! Those poor people!

    1. Re:Oh the humanity! by Microlith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thankfully, this time the outer surface isn't coated in ROCKET FUEL with a nice HYDROGEN supply beneath.

    2. Re:Oh the humanity! by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Funny
      Damn, when I first read the headline, I thought they finally were going to hae a Led Zeppelin reunion concert tour.....

      Oh well........

      :-(

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    3. Re:Oh the humanity! by Paulrothrock · · Score: 4, Funny
      The japanese must have some technology to bring Bonham back from the dead!

      (There's a really great classical work called "Bonham" that all LZ fans should check out.)

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    4. Re:Oh the humanity! by karait · · Score: 5, Funny

      Zeppelin-NT A product composed of TWO items famous for crashes!

  2. It is over me currently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Zeppelin NT came to Istanbul for a private BMW meeting I guess. Thing looks damn cool and huge :)

  3. Old news... by ArbiterOne · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Zeppelin NT has been around for at least 10 years! I've seen photos of it in Popular Science, Discover, et al.

  4. Zep2k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They should upgrade to Zep 2000 (based on NT technology.)

  5. 12 Passengers? by slusich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds like those are going to have to be some very pricey tickets. They'd have to be with only 12 passengers for each flight.

  6. Article has errors by BeeRockxs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    " The new craft designed by Germany's Zeppelin Luftschifftechnik -- named Zeppelin NT for "New Technology" -- is filled with helium rather than the intensely flammable hydrogen that fuelled the earlier generation of airships. " The earlier generation of airships was also designed to be filled with Helium, not Hydrogen. Short supply forced them to use Hydrogen.

    1. Re:Article has errors by hanssprudel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, as it seems I was the last /.er to learn last time, the Hindenburg was caused by the doping material which was rocket fuel (and photo's of the time exaggerated the look of the explosion).

      The thing is though, you are never actually the last person here to learn something. In fact, I think one needs to formulate some sort of law that no matter how many times something is pointed out, only a minority of the people here will know it, and one of them will get a +5 for explaining it next time.

      Thus every X-Prize story has to have somebody explain that to actually orbit the earth, it isn't enough to get above the atmosphere, you also need a shitload of speed to keep you from falling straight down. And every story about airships, starting from God knows when, has to contain somebody explaining that it wasn't the hydrogen that ignited on the Hindeberg. You are welcome to your +5...

  7. Mirror by swordboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mirror here. This would seem like a no-brainer for the editors. But they couldn't care less, it seems.

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  8. Comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You lost a great opportunity to be quiet. Don't let those pass you again.

    Sincerely,
    Mr Blinky

  9. It's about time by Jesrad · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ever since the Hindenburg accident the technology has been nearly dead, just as if we had stopped building ships after the Titanic sank.

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    1. Re:It's about time by banzai51 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Plus there was this thing called the airplane that came along and did all the same things that blimps did, but better.

    2. Re:It's about time by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Informative
      The Hindenberg accident was just the most memorable. However, most of the major dirigibles of the era were destroyed in mishaps. A lot of them got twisted to bits in thunderstorms; flying in those storm magnets was kind of like hanging out in a floating trailer park.

      The most famous exception to this, the Graf Zeppelin, was memorable mainly because it was able to operate so long without being lost in an accident.

      The Hindenburg was really just the last straw. Not to mention that even in the 1930s airplanes could transport a similar number of passengers faster, with fewer crew, and without needing a vessel comparable in size to the Titanic.

  10. Touting the Canadian Horn here by WormholeFiend · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Check out www.21stcenturyairships.com

    This guy made spherical airships despite everyone telling him it would never work.

    Personally, I find this much more interesting than the Zeppelin "comeback".

  11. I've seen it... by OmniGeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've seen it fly out of Friedricshafen, Germany, and I even managed to buy a plastic model kit for it (made by Revell, curiously) in a hobby shop in Friedrichshafen. It's a neat looking machine, and I hope the firm succeeds in doing interesting things with them. There's certainly room for zeppelins in the world of aviation.

    BTW, I also visited the Zeppelin Museum in Friedrichshafen; they have a 1:1 mockup of the boarding gangway, some passenger cabins and a dining area from the Hindenburg. That was an awesome experience, and I recommend it if you ever go to the Bodensee region of Germany.

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  12. Re:MOD PARENT UP by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 4, Funny


    Considering that the Hindenburg itself was *literally* flamebait, perhaps the mod was going all uber-meta and using the flamebait mod as a subtle show of recognition.

    Then again, maybe the mod's just a dumbass.

  13. Advertising? by Guppy06 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "a Japanese company that plans to use the 12-seat craft for (...) advertising."

    If they put light-emitting diodes on the sides for an electronic billboard, would that make it a LED Zeppelin?

  14. Uh... no. by tunabomber · · Score: 4, Informative

    From their website:

    Fare per Person: EUR 335,00 Monday to Friday; EUR 370,00 on weekends and holidays.
    Please visit www.zeppelinflug.de for booking.

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    1. Re:Uh... no. by emtboy9 · · Score: 4, Informative

      You put the coma in the wrong place.

      33,500 and 37,000

      stupid.


      Uh... No. You put the comma in the wrong place. Take a look at the currency selections in Word or Open Office sometime. You will find that not everone in the world uses "." to denote cents or percentages of units of monetary measure. Europeans tend to use "," where Americans and other countries use ".".

      stupid. ;)

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  15. Re:Pronunciation by Hiro+Antagonist · · Score: 4, Informative

    GmbH is the German equivalent of, 'Inc'. or 'Ltd.'

    It's short for 'Gesellschaft mit Beschränkter Haftung' (Corporation with Limited Liability).

    Das ist alle für heute. Viel Spass.

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  16. Zeppelin NT ? by p4ul13 · · Score: 4, Funny
    From the article: We named it "ZeppelinNT because we want people to know that it will be patched regularly to keep it from crashing".

    Personally I'll never understand marketing folks. =)

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  17. NOT A BLIMP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    it's a blimp people, it just has a different name - whoop de do

    Actually, it isn't a blimp, it's a proper Zeppelin. The difference? A Zeppelin has a rigid frame, a blimp does not.

    Did you know that the US Navy built a few Zeppelin Aircraft Carriers in the 1930s? That's right - Zeppelins that could carry, launch and recover fighter aircraft. Fighteres were carried in a compartment in the body of the airship and were launched and recovered from a "trapeze". Link with pictures.

    Zeppelins are cool. I wish they'd become more widely adopted. Stoopid Hindenburg painted with Stoopid rocket fuel...

  18. Iron oxide, cellulose acetate, and aluminum powder by dogfart · · Score: 4, Informative
    was used for the doping material.

    "the total mixture might well serve as a respectable rocket propellant"

    The direction and color of the flame supports this theory. Hydrogen burns with a colorless flame and would burn upwards (being lighter than air). The actual flame burned downwards and looked like a "fireworks display".

    See: http://engineer.ea.ucla.edu/releases/blimp.htm

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  19. Helium Supply by lcars1701z · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Even though it's the second most abundant element in the universe after hydrogen, helium is fairly scarce on earth. The majority that we get comes from extraction from natural gas. Ambient air extraction is not economically feasible due to the low concentration (1 part per 200,000). I've heard that demand will outstrip supply by 2010 and the $19.95 Party Balloon kits at Costco will be a bit more costly. What is the future of lighter-than air transport with the "lighter" part being costly in the near future?

  20. Re:NT? by cmacb · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think Microsoft has a solid claim for prior art on vapor technology.

  21. Re:Why still use gas? by Nf1nk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Two big reasons.
    first using a gas gives you a tension structure. Tension structures are easy to build light wieght and strong. Using vacume gives you a compression structure and compression structures are much harder to build light.
    second Vacum isn't that much lighter than helium.
    follow me on this. At STP (standard temperature and pressure) air has a weight of about 26g/mole while helium has a weight of about 4g/mole blimps run low pressure so this is about right. 1 mole is about 23 L of gas. so for 23L of heium I get 22g of lift for the same amount of vacume I get 26g of lift. So by using helium instead of vacume you only lose about 15% of te lifting capacity, but you greatly simplify construction and maintainance.

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  22. A Zeppelin, not a Blimp by beq · · Score: 5, Informative
    From the company's website:
    The rigid framework weighs about a tonne and provides great stability. It comprises triangular carbon-fibre frames and three aluminium longerons braced by aramide cables. All the main components of the airship such as cabin, empennage and engines are mounted on this rigid structure. This arrangement ensures that the airship retains optimum manoeuvrability even with a loss of envelope pressure

    Looks like a Zeppelin to me.
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  23. using up the planet's supply of helium? by pomakis · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Helium is a very useful substance to use for this sort of thing, but I think we have to be careful how much of it we waste. Let me explain. Helium is a fairly rare element on the planet. Up until sometime in the 1940s or thereabouts, it was thought that helium was pretty much nonexistant on the planet. It doesn't exist in the atmosphere because any helium that's floating around in the atmosphere eventually leaks out into space because it's so light. Also, it can't be part of any heavier molecule because it's an inert gas. Any helium that escapes into the air will eventually leak out into space and be lost forever. I believe that this property is unique to helium. Anyways, it was eventually discovered that helium is trapped in certain kinds of sand, and so the helium-mining industry was founded. I guess there's a lot of it, but unlike every other element in existance, once helium is leaked, it's gone from the planet forever. Sure, we're depleting the planet of a lot of things, such as fossil fuels, etc., but at least the individual atoms of these substances stick around, so we still have the fundamental building blocks for these things, etc. But once the helium is gone, it's gone! There's no way we can make more short of building nuclear fusion plants to build new helium atoms from hydrogen. Yet I've never seen this matter even briefly discussed anywhere. Am I missing something, or is this actually going to be a problem in the future? I can't help but think that in a couple of hundred years, we'll be smacking ourselves in the head for wasting all of the planet's precious helium on children's balloons, etc.

  24. I guess it was just... by Art+Tatum · · Score: 4, Funny

    A communication breakdown.