Several things in that "article" jumped out at me right off. I usually read things like that two or three times to find the spin points and to think about whats being said while not being said. Given that, here are a few things that caught my attention on the first pass, and bug me even more the second time I read the article...
First, this: "Despite using a version of Linux certified by SAP and SAP-certified IBM servers, stability issues and the complexities of keeping Linux up to date and secure. .."
I have run various flavors of Linux since I first downloaded an old version of Slackware off a local BBS way back when. Another post mentioned something that I agree with. I do soemtimes forget exactly how or why I configured something on my linux machines at home and at work because I configure them and they run. Period. I dont have to touch them again. My windows machine however, usually requires a reinstall every 18 months or so. Sometimes for an upgrade, and sometimes because it just stops working right. I dont know. Admittedly, I am not a windows person. Also, I can say, having supported end users and corporate customers on Red Hat Linux, administered RH machines, tested them professionally, and so forth, that the vast majority of stability issues I find fit into two groups. A: Issues with the OS. This almost always occurs, however, when I am testing beta releases. Almost never happens with a released version of RHEL, or even SLES. B: Hardware. Either bad hardware (usually attributed to a failing hard disk, a BIOS issue with a piece of hardware or a piece of ECC RAM that starts throwing double bit errors). Beyond that, I hardly ever see a stability issue with any linux that was not caused directly by me because of something I tweaked too much, or some piece of software that I installed that had issues that have nothing to do with the underlying OS.
The next thing that jumped out at me was this: "Crest's IT manager, Anthony Horton, oversaw the deployment of SAP on Linux in November 2004, after inheriting the decision when he took the job. Having previously run SAP on AIX - IBM's version of Unix - Horton was comfortable with deploying such a mission-critical application on Linux."
So what they are saying then, is that the IT manager DID NOT CHOOSE LINUX. He came into his job AFTER the decision was made and had been initiated. It does not take a project management genius to know that switching owners mid-stream during a major project is a Very Bad Thing[tm] in most cases. Also, since he "inheirited" the project, he had no real investment in it to begin with. His own statements later on point to him being a Windows guy. Kinda like those people who dislike minorities, but try to qualify themselves by saying "I have friends, but..." And running SAP on AIX makes it comfortable DEPLOYING SAP on Linux? Linux ain't Unix. Thats like saying I ran XX software on Windows, so I am completely comfortable running XX on MacOS because they both have point-and-click GUIs. Moron.
He then says he called contractors to install RHEL and ensure it was SAP compliant??? Umm, if he was so comfortable with it, why did they farm out the installation? Installing RHEL 3 is NOT difficult. I do it several times a day on test machines of all flavors. Its NOT DIFFICULT. If they cant even install the OS themselves, complaining later on about the "Difficulty" of keeping it up do date is superfluous. Another analogy: My car wont start. Did you put gas in the tank? Gas? You have to put gas in it?
The next complaint is that it took two full weeks to get everything set so that SAP would support the box and the software. Then only two days for Windows. Ummm.. duh. The hard work (ensuring supported hardware and components) was already done when they initially set up the RHEL box. Unless they just chucked the server out the door and configured a brand new one for the Windows install, which I really doubt, they didnt have to do even 1/4 of the work during the Win
Wrong... since this is slashdot, I happily point out the flaws in other's logic and or statements:
acronym Audio pronunciation of "acronym" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kr-nm) n.
A word formed from the initial letters of a name, such as WAC for Women's Army Corps, or by combining initial letters or parts of a series of words, such as radar for radio detecting and ranging.
I'd love for somebody who has more technical knowledge than me to look at his points and see if what he says is true or not -- assuming anything coming out of Darl's mouth is true."
Come on now... a statment like that is like showing up at DefCon and handing out cards to with your IP addresses and telling everyone how you dont see the need to secure windows servers....
it is possible to at least get overly aggressive drivers ticketed when there are not cops around. The Highway Patrol here started a program where, if you see someone doing stupid shit (i.e. weaving back and forth in traffic, speeding through a school zone, passing school busses that are stopped, etc) you can call it in to the HP, and if you agree to testify in court against the driver, they will issue a summons to that person even if no officer is around to witness/pull him/her over.
Obviously, it doenst do a thing for speeders, but the next time that stupid woman on the cell phone slides into my lane on top of me without even noticing that I am there (and I drive an ex-cop car, so its really hard to NOT notice me), I have at least some real recourse that wont land me in jail instead...
I met him once, ages ago, at a ST convention that he was attending as guest of honor. Mr. Doohan was simply the nicest celebrity I have ever met in any venue. He was always my favorite charater in the Star Trek Universe, and will always be dear in my heart.
Hope they play Amazing Grace for him on the pipes... it would be fitting.
He might be, but he missed the point of the uproar entirely. If this were just a case of a bunch of "wacked out cheerleaders" screaming for MOG's death, etc, for no real reason, then yes, I would agree completely. And in any case, overzealousness is not a good thing.
HOWEVER, the outrage stems from the fact that MOG, in her "article" specifically hands out home addresses, pictures of the supposed homes of both PJ and her mother, and closeups of the house numbers, not to mention making several comments that border on libel and character assassination.
THAT is what the fuss is over, and Dvorak misses it as usual. I dont see him posting his home address, his mothers home address, nor pictures of his home on his article...
SCO, MOG et al have been trying to destroy GrokLaw for some time now. And with one bit of good news, Slashdot does the dirty work for them...
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Ditto... All I can say is that when I was unfortunate enough to be administering a couple mail servers for a small ISP, roughly 80% of all spam we intercepted came from address space allocated to RIPE.NET in europe... Never really had a problem with AOL, although they DID blacklist a couple of our hosted domains due to spam issues, which we found out were caused by stupid website owners running formail.cgi scripts, which were expressly verbotten in the AUP for our hosting service...
They complained enough when AOL blacklisted their IPs, just imagine how badly they complained when we deleted their cgi scripts... heh...
There is plenty of time now. NASA has all the time in the world now to develop a new super secret shuttle, and train a small flight crew. Then they will have plenty of time to hire a rag tag bunch of wise cracking oil drillers to send on said super secret shuttle, while first stopping off on Mir to visit with a crazy cosmonaut and refuel. Once they approach the asteroid, despite all their natural personality classes, they will come together and drill the required distance to the center of the asteroid, deposit a nuke or two, detonate said nukes, thus splitting the asteroid in half and getting each half to go its own seperate ways... and then Morgan Freeman will make a public speech glorifying the heroics of this intrepid band, and we will get to see hollywood make movies about their journy and adventure... oh wait... that already happened. Damn... guess we are fucked then.
Mozilla 1.7.6 seems to no longer be a "supported" browser... unless they are playing some sort of sick prank...
Yesterday my 1.7.6 install worked fine with gmail, but today I keep getting routed to the "Basic" view with none of the candy that made me like my gmail account in the first place (filters, selections, etc).
Its the parents and schools for not teaching students time utilization skills...
And as far as grammar goes, most people are getting to where they can't spell or properly write a document BECAUSE TEHY LEARND FROM TEH 1337 M4ST3RZ 0F D00|\/| 2 SPELL UR W3RDZ LIKE THIS.
Very few things grate on my nerves more than a post to an email discussion that starts like this:
if u want 2 do what u r asking, u need to read ur manual and look @ teh location of ur r15 adn r23 resistors.
Perhaps classes in PC literacy should include rudimentary reading and writing...
Now while I admit, seeing the balrog, or the battle of Minas Tirith in 3D would be just way too cool, I have to say that of all the things I have wished for from the movies in all my life, Jar Jar Binks in 3D is NOT one of them.
For what its worth, at least as far back as the first OSX release (possibly earlier, but I am Not an Apple User) you could use any 2 button mouse on a Mac... I have used them on Powerbooks and desktop machines running various versions of OSX.
Its Monday morning... have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.
It really amazes me how, on this site of all places, people miss the important part of all this nonsense. Yes, it is a guy doing a lot of hand wringing. But why is it that everyone trashing him is bitching about standing in line at the airport waiting on this guy to argue about showing ID. He never said he didnt agree with showing and ID...
what he disagrees with, and rightly so, is that the Airline/Screeners/Security demand to see and ID, with no written law backing it. The law is "Top Secret"... so no way we could ever see it.
Lets put this into perspective. AT 5pm on a friday evening, just before you leave from work, the FBI barges into your office/Data Center/NOC demanding you produce the logs of activity on 5 of your servers over the past 7 days.
They bring no warrants, only demands, and inform you that producing those logs is in the interest of national security. You rightly demand to see a warrant, or at the very least, the law passed by congress/parliament/ that states that the FBI/ has the right to take those logs from you without warrant.
Instead of being shown the law, you are then informed that that law is held secret for national security reasons, and you will not be allowed to review it.
So, now what do you do? You are faced with being forced to comply with a law that may or may not exisit, and if it does exist, you as a citizen can not ever see it, review it, or even question it. All you have to go on is the say so of some officiant claiming that it is "For your own good and safety".
That is all he is fussing about, and as I said, rightly so.
YOU may want to just comply with any and every "law" some airline ticket counter agent cooks up without ever reviewing or even questioning its validity, but I certainly do not. If it is a law, and on the books, you better believe I will do my absolute best to obey it. But how can I, or anyone, reasonably be expected to obey some odd law that no one has seen, that no one will see, that may or may not even actually exist outside of the imagination of the person telling you that you must obey it.
Just as though some guy walks up to your daughters and informs them that they must now submit to a full strip search and body cavity search, because they are carrying a black back pack on the street, and the person telling them this insists that the law states that only terrorists carry black backpacks on the streets, and that they may not see the law in question before the search, and that they may not have a lawyer present during the search. All in the interests of public safety of course.
sounds silly? It is. Sound scary, it is. How many unwritten or possibly nonexistant laws are you willing to submit to?
Usually when a small site like that gets slashdotted, you get the "Over the Bandwidth Limit" page from your friendly provider. Instead, this is what I just found:
account suspended
Your account has been suspended. We have sent you an email explaining why. This email should also contain information on how you can unsuspend your account.
the link in the post is redirected to this URL: http://host96.ipowerweb.com/suspended.html?p =223
Ya know... way back when they axed most of my dept and killed off end user support and the original box set, there were MANY MANY people within the company that said that this exact thing would happen...
It was said emphatically in meeting after meeting that doing something like locking out the very large and devoted community of Red Hat supporters was a Very Bad Thing[tm] and would not be a Good Thing[tm] at all in the long run.
Nice to see some vindication, even if I dont have my job there any more...
...hundreds were injured as a small group of Mr. Adams' most maniacal supporters assaulted the proceedings by reading from "The Collected Works of Vogon Poetry", but those ruffians were quickly subdued by an improbable number of monkeys who wanted their copies of Hamlet to be read.
wow... what can I say... wow. Someone posts an article here about the final issue of Phrak, and then the slashdot community causes their server to combust... I guess there won't be an issue 63 after all;-)
After reading several replies regarding this article, both here and on other sites, is that so many people are getting bent out of shape over this. The man isnt espousing some sexist remark. He states something observed through statistical analysis.
Yes, Women can and do excel in math and sciences, just not as many as men. Yes Men can and do excel at art and less exact persuits, but not as many as women.
Ultimately, it boils down to something I heard in a M.A.S.H. episode once way back when. Winchester tries to cheer up a soldier who lost his arm in combat, and who happened to have been a concert grade classical pianist before the war. In a very summarized nutshell, he says this:
Any monkey, with enough encouragement and practice can learn to play the tunes and melodies of the great composers. But very very few have the true talent to make those notes truely come alive.
And that holds true in any activity. With enough hard work and practice, I could be an astronaut, or physicist. However, I would be only a mediocre or average one at best, because my talents lie elsewhere.
That is a simple fact of life. Not being as successful at one thing or another does not make a person any less a person. Everyone has their own strengths and weaknesses.
You can beat a dead horse, but it still wont get up and keep going, or you can go back and find a form of transportation that is more suitable to you, and keep on moving.
My wife came out the door one day and I threw a rock at her. She ran back in. She came back out, and I threw another rock. She ran back in. She did this three more times before finally asking me waht I was doing. I told her I was spawn camping, and she just got pwnt.
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Several things in that "article" jumped out at me right off. I usually read things like that two or three times to find the spin points and to think about whats being said while not being said. Given that, here are a few things that caught my attention on the first pass, and bug me even more the second time I read the article...
."
First, this: "Despite using a version of Linux certified by SAP and SAP-certified IBM servers, stability issues and the complexities of keeping Linux up to date and secure. .
I have run various flavors of Linux since I first downloaded an old version of Slackware off a local BBS way back when. Another post mentioned something that I agree with. I do soemtimes forget exactly how or why I configured something on my linux machines at home and at work because I configure them and they run. Period. I dont have to touch them again. My windows machine however, usually requires a reinstall every 18 months or so. Sometimes for an upgrade, and sometimes because it just stops working right. I dont know. Admittedly, I am not a windows person. Also, I can say, having supported end users and corporate customers on Red Hat Linux, administered RH machines, tested them professionally, and so forth, that the vast majority of stability issues I find fit into two groups. A: Issues with the OS. This almost always occurs, however, when I am testing beta releases. Almost never happens with a released version of RHEL, or even SLES. B: Hardware. Either bad hardware (usually attributed to a failing hard disk, a BIOS issue with a piece of hardware or a piece of ECC RAM that starts throwing double bit errors). Beyond that, I hardly ever see a stability issue with any linux that was not caused directly by me because of something I tweaked too much, or some piece of software that I installed that had issues that have nothing to do with the underlying OS.
The next thing that jumped out at me was this: "Crest's IT manager, Anthony Horton, oversaw the deployment of SAP on Linux in November 2004, after inheriting the decision when he took the job. Having previously run SAP on AIX - IBM's version of Unix - Horton was comfortable with deploying such a mission-critical application on Linux."
So what they are saying then, is that the IT manager DID NOT CHOOSE LINUX. He came into his job AFTER the decision was made and had been initiated. It does not take a project management genius to know that switching owners mid-stream during a major project is a Very Bad Thing[tm] in most cases. Also, since he "inheirited" the project, he had no real investment in it to begin with. His own statements later on point to him being a Windows guy. Kinda like those people who dislike minorities, but try to qualify themselves by saying "I have friends, but..." And running SAP on AIX makes it comfortable DEPLOYING SAP on Linux? Linux ain't Unix. Thats like saying I ran XX software on Windows, so I am completely comfortable running XX on MacOS because they both have point-and-click GUIs. Moron.
He then says he called contractors to install RHEL and ensure it was SAP compliant??? Umm, if he was so comfortable with it, why did they farm out the installation? Installing RHEL 3 is NOT difficult. I do it several times a day on test machines of all flavors. Its NOT DIFFICULT. If they cant even install the OS themselves, complaining later on about the "Difficulty" of keeping it up do date is superfluous. Another analogy: My car wont start. Did you put gas in the tank? Gas? You have to put gas in it?
The next complaint is that it took two full weeks to get everything set so that SAP would support the box and the software. Then only two days for Windows. Ummm.. duh. The hard work (ensuring supported hardware and components) was already done when they initially set up the RHEL box. Unless they just chucked the server out the door and configured a brand new one for the Windows install, which I really doubt, they didnt have to do even 1/4 of the work during the Win
Wrong... since this is slashdot, I happily point out the flaws in other's logic and or statements:
acronym Audio pronunciation of "acronym" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kr-nm)
n.
A word formed from the initial letters of a name, such as WAC for Women's Army Corps, or by combining initial letters or parts of a series of words, such as radar for radio detecting and ranging.
doubleplus ungood
Yes, I know it was an onion article...
These aren't forks? I guess that means they're spoons, then....especially the *BSD branches.
Does that make SCO the front spoon? HEY! Thats the Cheating Spoon!
I'd love for somebody who has more technical knowledge than me to look at his points and see if what he says is true or not -- assuming anything coming out of Darl's mouth is true."
Come on now... a statment like that is like showing up at DefCon and handing out cards to with your IP addresses and telling everyone how you dont see the need to secure windows servers....
thats probably the best line from the whole post!
it is possible to at least get overly aggressive drivers ticketed when there are not cops around. The Highway Patrol here started a program where, if you see someone doing stupid shit (i.e. weaving back and forth in traffic, speeding through a school zone, passing school busses that are stopped, etc)
you can call it in to the HP, and if you agree to testify in court against the driver, they will issue a summons to that person even if no officer is around to witness/pull him/her over.
Obviously, it doenst do a thing for speeders, but the next time that stupid woman on the cell phone slides into my lane on top of me without even noticing that I am there (and I drive an ex-cop car, so its really hard to NOT notice me), I have at least some real recourse that wont land me in jail instead...
I met him once, ages ago, at a ST convention that he was attending as guest of honor. Mr. Doohan was simply the nicest celebrity I have ever met in any venue. He was always my favorite charater in the Star Trek Universe, and will always be dear in my heart.
Hope they play Amazing Grace for him on the pipes... it would be fitting.
Its PEOPLE!!! SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!
Hell, send them with some women and children and they would have a completely replenishable food supply... mmmm Veal...
He might be, but he missed the point of the uproar entirely. If this were just a case of a bunch of "wacked out cheerleaders" screaming for MOG's death, etc, for no real reason, then yes, I would agree completely. And in any case, overzealousness is not a good thing.
HOWEVER, the outrage stems from the fact that MOG, in her "article" specifically hands out home addresses, pictures of the supposed homes of both PJ and her mother, and closeups of the house numbers, not to mention making several comments that border on libel and character assassination.
THAT is what the fuss is over, and Dvorak misses it as usual. I dont see him posting his home address, his mothers home address, nor pictures of his home on his article...
SCO, MOG et al have been trying to destroy GrokLaw for some time now. And with one bit of good news, Slashdot does the dirty work for them...
/public/vhost/g/groklaw/system/databases/mysql.cla ss.php on line 108
Warning: mysql_connect(): User groklaw has already more than 'max_user_connections' active connections in
Cannnot connect to DB server
Ditto... All I can say is that when I was unfortunate enough to be administering a couple mail servers for a small ISP, roughly 80% of all spam we intercepted came from address space allocated to RIPE.NET in europe...
Never really had a problem with AOL, although they DID blacklist a couple of our hosted domains due to spam issues, which we found out were caused by stupid website owners running formail.cgi scripts, which were expressly verbotten in the AUP for our hosting service...
They complained enough when AOL blacklisted their IPs, just imagine how badly they complained when we deleted their cgi scripts... heh...
There is plenty of time now. NASA has all the time in the world now to develop a new super secret shuttle, and train a small flight crew. Then they will have plenty of time to hire a rag tag bunch of wise cracking oil drillers to send on said super secret shuttle, while first stopping off on Mir to visit with a crazy cosmonaut and refuel. Once they approach the asteroid, despite all their natural personality classes, they will come together and drill the required distance to the center of the asteroid, deposit a nuke or two, detonate said nukes, thus splitting the asteroid in half and getting each half to go its own seperate ways... and then Morgan Freeman will make a public speech glorifying the heroics of this intrepid band, and we will get to see hollywood make movies about their journy and adventure... oh wait... that already happened. Damn... guess we are fucked then.
Mozilla 1.7.6 seems to no longer be a "supported" browser... unless they are playing some sort of sick prank...
Yesterday my 1.7.6 install worked fine with gmail, but today I keep getting routed to the "Basic" view with none of the candy that made me like my gmail account in the first place (filters, selections, etc).
I hope this is some sort of practical joke...
Its the parents and schools for not teaching students time utilization skills...
And as far as grammar goes, most people are getting to where they can't spell or properly write a document BECAUSE TEHY LEARND FROM TEH 1337 M4ST3RZ 0F D00|\/| 2 SPELL UR W3RDZ LIKE THIS.
Very few things grate on my nerves more than a post to an email discussion that starts like this:
if u want 2 do what u r asking, u need to read ur manual and look @ teh location of ur r15 adn r23 resistors.
Perhaps classes in PC literacy should include rudimentary reading and writing...
Now while I admit, seeing the balrog, or the battle of Minas Tirith in 3D would be just way too cool, I have to say that of all the things I have wished for from the movies in all my life, Jar Jar Binks in 3D is NOT one of them.
For what its worth, at least as far back as the first OSX release (possibly earlier, but I am Not an Apple User) you could use any 2 button mouse on a Mac... I have used them on Powerbooks and desktop machines running various versions of OSX.
Its Monday morning... have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.
It really amazes me how, on this site of all places, people miss the important part of all this nonsense. Yes, it is a guy doing a lot of hand wringing. But why is it that everyone trashing him is bitching about standing in line at the airport waiting on this guy to argue about showing ID. He never said he didnt agree with showing and ID...
what he disagrees with, and rightly so, is that the Airline/Screeners/Security demand to see and ID, with no written law backing it. The law is "Top Secret"... so no way we could ever see it.
Lets put this into perspective. AT 5pm on a friday evening, just before you leave from work, the FBI barges into your office/Data Center/NOC demanding you produce the logs of activity on 5 of your servers over the past 7 days.
They bring no warrants, only demands, and inform you that producing those logs is in the interest of national security. You rightly demand to see a warrant, or at the very least, the law passed by congress/parliament/ that states that the FBI/ has the right to take those logs from you without warrant.
Instead of being shown the law, you are then informed that that law is held secret for national security reasons, and you will not be allowed to review it.
So, now what do you do? You are faced with being forced to comply with a law that may or may not exisit, and if it does exist, you as a citizen can not ever see it, review it, or even question it. All you have to go on is the say so of some officiant claiming that it is "For your own good and safety".
That is all he is fussing about, and as I said, rightly so.
YOU may want to just comply with any and every "law" some airline ticket counter agent cooks up without ever reviewing or even questioning its validity, but I certainly do not. If it is a law, and on the books, you better believe I will do my absolute best to obey it. But how can I, or anyone, reasonably be expected to obey some odd law that no one has seen, that no one will see, that may or may not even actually exist outside of the imagination of the person telling you that you must obey it.
Just as though some guy walks up to your daughters and informs them that they must now submit to a full strip search and body cavity search, because they are carrying a black back pack on the street, and the person telling them this insists that the law states that only terrorists carry black backpacks on the streets, and that they may not see the law in question before the search, and that they may not have a lawyer present during the search. All in the interests of public safety of course.
sounds silly? It is. Sound scary, it is. How many unwritten or possibly nonexistant laws are you willing to submit to?
Usually when a small site like that gets slashdotted, you get the "Over the Bandwidth Limit" page from your friendly provider. Instead, this is what I just found:
the link in the post is redirected to this URL:
http://host96.ipowerweb.com/suspended.html?
Ya know... way back when they axed most of my dept and killed off end user support and the original box set, there were MANY MANY people within the company that said that this exact thing would happen...
It was said emphatically in meeting after meeting that doing something like locking out the very large and devoted community of Red Hat supporters was a Very Bad Thing[tm] and would not be a Good Thing[tm] at all in the long run.
Nice to see some vindication, even if I dont have my job there any more...
...hundreds were injured as a small group of Mr. Adams' most maniacal supporters assaulted the proceedings by reading from "The Collected Works of Vogon Poetry", but those ruffians were quickly subdued by an improbable number of monkeys who wanted their copies of Hamlet to be read.
wow... what can I say... wow. Someone posts an article here about the final issue of Phrak, and then the slashdot community causes their server to combust... I guess there won't be an issue 63 after all ;-)
After reading several replies regarding this article, both here and on other sites, is that so many people are getting bent out of shape over this. The man isnt espousing some sexist remark. He states something observed through statistical analysis.
Yes, Women can and do excel in math and sciences, just not as many as men. Yes Men can and do excel at art and less exact persuits, but not as many as women.
Ultimately, it boils down to something I heard in a M.A.S.H. episode once way back when. Winchester tries to cheer up a soldier who lost his arm in combat, and who happened to have been a concert grade classical pianist before the war. In a very summarized nutshell, he says this:
Any monkey, with enough encouragement and practice can learn to play the tunes and melodies of the great composers. But very very few have the true talent to make those notes truely come alive.
And that holds true in any activity. With enough hard work and practice, I could be an astronaut, or physicist. However, I would be only a mediocre or average one at best, because my talents lie elsewhere.
That is a simple fact of life. Not being as successful at one thing or another does not make a person any less a person. Everyone has their own strengths and weaknesses.
You can beat a dead horse, but it still wont get up and keep going, or you can go back and find a form of transportation that is more suitable to you, and keep on moving.
My wife came out the door one day and I threw a rock at her. She ran back in. She came back out, and I threw another rock. She ran back in. She did this three more times before finally asking me waht I was doing. I told her I was spawn camping, and she just got pwnt.
AhHA...
;-)
also a good point.
but if the cap says boobies, its all good
Ummm there is nothing new here.
/. material? then again, I just answered my own question...
This has been done off and on by people for a long time on eBay. It showed up a LOT during the end of the dotcom era.
I have seen, on ebay, people willing to advertise via tattoo on the forehead, back, chest, and other such things...
is this really