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70 Megapixel Webcam

Alien54 writes "Small swiss company RoundShot has released an interesting new item, the 360 internet Livecam. The Livecam is a digital 360 camera, capable of 70 megapixels. The Swiss company claims the Roundshot Livecam uses a high-resolution digicam designed for pro photography, as well as slit-scan technology, which apparently allows for 'seamless panoramas' of up to 360 degrees. The cam is also capable of a high zoom factor, zooming up to 20x. Apparently, the cam has 'far-reaching" applications, most importantly in tourism, weather stations, corporate websites, airports, sports clubs, construction sites and private residences.'"

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  1. The price and the data rate by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just in case you're wondering if you can afford this camera: According to a PDF called "Press release 11-6-2004 (42 kB)" in the article (no direct links permitted), the price is 9600 Swiss francs (CHF). This converts to 7,642.71 USD.

    More confusing: "Presentation to the press 11-6-2004 (1,059 kB)" indicates that shooting a full cylinder takes 20 to 120 seconds. However, the data output rate is only 1 MBps, and it can shoot only 5 high-resolution (4.5 MB) images per day or 80 low-resolution (100 KB) images per day. Who can make sense out of these conflicting rates?

  2. Pricing by gregfortune · · Score: 5, Informative

    It goes for 9,600 CHF which is about $7,715 US.
    Looks like I won't be getting one right away :)

  3. Re:Bah, 70 megapixels is nothing... by dbirchall · · Score: 4, Informative
    Why settle for 70 when you can have 100 megapixels? Actually, wait, sorry... that one's now obsolete and no longer in use, since they now have one that does 340 megapixels.

  4. So isn't the megapixels rating a farse? by MadWicKdWire · · Score: 5, Informative

    So the camera spins on it's internal axis to capture a single image that is freakin huge. Ok... that is great... actually kinda cool.

    But it's NOT really a 70 megapixel camera it can't take all those 70 megapixels at one time.

    That would be like producing a digital camera that would shift it's lens really really fast in the 4 diagonal directions to piece together an image that was 4 times the original size.

    I think they are going for marketing points on this one. What is honestly stoping a camera company from putting out a camera that actually shoots at 5MP but they double the image size and interpolate the subpixels and say it's a 10MP camera?

    When I grab stuffs off the internet at 72dpi and I need to enlarge it, I use the same technique. I just think the whole MP thing is becoming just like the MHZ craze that started when AMD tossed the Athlon on the market.

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    1. Re:So isn't the megapixels rating a farse? by Cesare+Ferrari · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, technically speaking most high end SLRs can't actually take the whole scene in one go at fast shutter speeds.

      Shutters on cameras are made of two curtains - the first one is normally closed, the second one normally open. When you depress the shutter release, the first curtain opens to start the exposure, and the second curtain closes to end the exposure. At fast shutter speeds (1/125 on my manual pentax, 1/200 on my Canon D30) the second curtain starts to close before the first curtain has finished opening. In effect then, the film or sensor is exposed to a slit of light between the opening and closing curtains.

      So, it's maybe worth remembering that when you say 'you can expose the whole scene in one go' with an array sensor, it isn't always as simple as that!

      You're point is very valid about interpolation. Some cameras are advertised with 'effective' resolutions. Saying that, even a real 3mp camera is interpolating 9mp of colours from 3mp of colour information (since each cell is only receiving one colour pixel).

  5. Stitching programs do the same thing by Darth+Cider · · Score: 5, Informative

    Panoguide lists dozens of programs that will stitch still photos together to create a panorama. Instead of spending $7k on RoundShot, one could buy a really good digital camera and tripod, then take the shots manually. A 5 megapixel camera rotated ten degrees per shot would produce 180 megapixels of raw stills. And yes, you could do the same with a videocam--just export the footage as still files using any number of video programs, then stitch them together. The scanning method of RoundShot is slow--it might be able to produce a 360 degree perspective from the point of view of a moving observer, but the observer wouldn't travel far.

    1. Re:Stitching programs do the same thing by iantri · · Score: 2, Informative
      I can answer those:

      1) Use manual exposure and find an okay medium ground; it is tricky when you are shooting a room with a big window or something that makes things go way out of whack. You can also take one overexposed and one underexposed image in the case of something like window and then composite them together with Photoshop.

      2) Not a problem. Panorama software is designed for exactly this. You can actually buy ridiculously fisheye lenses to do panoramas in just a few shots. You feed it all your images, (depending on the program) specify your camera or focal length, and it automagically unwarps the images and figures out how to stich them automatically. Normally, it is viewed with viewing software or a java applet which projects the image onto a cylinder to display final image properly.

      If I misinterpreted that and you are getting warped images after using panorama software (the images it tries to stich together get warped out of shape), the focal length is not right.

      The Panorama Factory is one of the best programs for stiching panoramas, fully automatic.

  6. Because it's stationary by Szplug · · Score: 2, Informative

    it rotates with a slit, it's more for pictures of static scenery, than normal snapshots.

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  7. Well.... Ya. by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's a single number that peopel can, and so marketers push, as the "good factor" of something. People don't want to actually research products. That is difficult, time consuming, and often leads one to the conclusions that there IS no best, just different tradeoffs. Most people would like things to be as simple as a number they can look at to determine how good something is.

    For cameras, it's megapixels. Like everything, there are foundations in truth. A large problem with CCD devices, at least initally, was resolution. 35mm film is equivalant to at least 4000x4000 pixles (16 megapixels) if done well. CCd devices were struggling at less than a million. Worse, CCDs are luma sensitive only (black and white), so you have to do a colour mask on them, reducing the effective resolution you get out of them.

    So for a while, pizels were a good measure of the quality you'd get. You could hook great optics to a system, didn't matter, the picture would still suck because the resolution was so slow.

    Well, this is all not the case with CCDs any more. It's not at all expensive to build multi-megapixel CCDs, and some companies (Canon) are even using different technology to better capture light. Now it's all about the optics. Any professional photographer or cinematographer will tell you that the lense is critical, for analogue or digital, and you often spend more on it than the camera.

    Problem it, it's not easy to attach a number to lenses to determine how good they are. Different ones are good at different things and there isn't an objective rating anyhow. Also, good optics re expensive. You just aren't going to build a stellar lense for $50. Pixel count is cheap, and thus easy to sell. Also good optics are pretty much mutually exclusive with small size, which is in demand.

    As you noted, very similar to mhz. Used to be, mhz was a good emasure of PC performance. For one, Intel was the only real game in town, but also there wasn't as much variance in architectures. Plus memory was fast enough to fully support the processor's needs (no multipliers), there were no GPUs, DOS was single user/single task, and so on. More or less, other then waiting for things to load from disk, your bottleneck was the CPU. So if you doubled the mhz, you really did double performance.

    Well of course that's just not the case today. However, it's already stuck as the measure. People know mhz, and it's simple. So to many, it is the definitive performance guide.

    Unfortunately, not a lot you can do about it. Pepople will take the wasy way out and fail to excersize due dilligence and marketers WILL take advantage of this.

  8. It amazes me how expensive these things are by btempleton · · Score: 5, Informative

    This isn't the first such camera. They call this one a bargain because the PanoScan was around $27,000 for its first model.

    Other people have made cameras like this for far less at home. You can make a basic one for $50 in parts. All you need is a single line (or 3 colour line) scanner element as found in most scanners, a camera to put it in with a big lens, and a stepper motor to spin it instead of rolling it along the scanner bed.

    You can even spin it by hand if you have something measuring how you turn it to expose each scanline right.

    Check out this guy who built one on the cheap.

    My favourite application was the guy who took pictures of the moon using a single line scanner. He put the scanner into the eyepiece of a fixed telescope. Then, he had the earth rotate, thus passing the scanner over the surface of the moon to record an image.

    The reason he could only do the moon is the scanner elements from hand scanners are not that light sensative. They expect a bright light to light up the object.

    Of course, 70 megapixels is nothing. I have been doing giant stitched panoramas much bigger than that for a long time though I don't put them that size on the web.

    However the first image of burning man on this page is 210 megapixels. You need to see it printed out, which you can if you come to Burning Man.

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  9. Re:Technical Explanation by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 0, Informative

    What you're seeing is ALIASING, not Moiré, and it's entirely due to the resizing of the original image for the website - did you really think that small panorama was 70MP? My desktop is 1344x1008 = 1.35MP and the website picture is quite a bit smaller than that.

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