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Spokane Gets Unwired

prostoalex writes "Spokane International Airport is getting wireless connectivity just before the city will expand WiFi coverage to 100 blocks in Spokane downtown. It will be the largest urban Wi-Fi zone in the United States, said Bob Conley, a founder of Vivato, the company that made the antennas for both installations. Vivato's press release mentions the service will be useful not only to casual downloaders. The downtown 'Hot Zone' will improve city services by facilitating intelligent policing, quicker fire and rescue response, and will support e-government initiatives and a more productive mobile workforce."

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  1. Ehhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know that I like wifi being used for real substantive critical things like emergency services. It's still just a little too unreliable, signal can get messed up by whatever... I'd hate to have my house being burned down and the fire department doesn't know because the weather messes up their wireless network.

    1. Re:Ehhh by fm6 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The alternative isn't wired technology. The alternative is the wireless technology that emergency people already use.

  2. Re:Awesome! by sxtxixtxcxh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    indeed! that's what i'm waiting for ;)

    in the news yesterday, they mentioned the engineers setting up the wifi antennae attracted the attention of the secret service.

    i guess sitting around on the street with a laptop is suspect.

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  3. Woohoo by filtur · · Score: 4, Funny

    Finally, now I have something to do while I'm waiting to get through a security checkpoint, respond to those viagra e-mails.

  4. Double-edged sword by nsample · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real hope is that this service, as it relates to emergency response, does not become another layer of dependency. At Stanford we had the pleasure of testing IP phones in the CS department and living with the fact that when the power fails, the phones are gone, too.
    As an old man, a child of the 70s, I was used to power and telephone access being separate concerns. We liked it.

    By isolating services, you often get safety through redundancy. Wiring emergency response into a new infrastructure is a dangerous proposition.
    Keep fire and rescue response on their own bands. Keep alarm systems on dry pairs. Etc. Save a life today; be old school. ;)

    1. Re:Double-edged sword by stratjakt · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not a network you dispatch through, it'd be a network in which a cop can file reports from his car and save a little paperwork back at the station.

      Plenty of agencies use drive in hot spots to access the RMS systems, run queries, etc.

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  5. Quality? by nial-in-a-box · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I still have yet to hear about how reliable this stuff actually is. Putting an AP at every intersection simply isn't good enough. I'm not saying that's what they are doing, but if it is than it's basically pointless. To deliver speeds of greater than 1Mbps for all users there would need to be essentially thousands of access points to handle this, seeing as the signal strength issues lie mainly on the client side. Policing (at any level) via WiFi sounds like a recipe for disaster.

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    1. Re:Quality? by chia_monkey · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Vivato panels that are being used are pretty robust. They're not your $49 Linksys that you buy at Circuit City. These Vivatos are capable of blasting a few blocks with the desired wireless bandwidth. It's actually pretty impressive. So yeah, to answer your question, they won't be putting up a bazillion access points. Just a few well-placed panels that can handle tremendous usage.

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    2. Re:Quality? by mcrbids · · Score: 2, Interesting

      To deliver speeds of greater than 1Mbps for all users there would need to be essentially thousands of access points to handle this, seeing as the signal strength issues lie mainly on the client side.

      Do you have any idea how FEW people would need anything aywhere NEAR a Mb of bandwidth?

      I'm a fairly heavy user - MRTG reports my monthly usage on my 1.5 Mbit DSL line as ~ 50 GB or so of traffic per month, on an internal, home network of 7 computer systems.

      (whip out calculator)

      50 GB of transfer /month
      8 bits per byte,
      400 Gb of transfer in a month.
      30 days in a month(13,333,333,333 bits/day)
      24 hours in a day, (555,555,555 bits/hour)
      60 minutes per hour (9,259,259 bits/minute)
      60 seconds per minute, (154,320 bits/second)

      So, what we're really talking about here, is average usage almost 10 times what I, a fairly heavy Internet user consume.

      In theory, a single 11 Mbps access point could provide the bandwith to supply all 7 computers in my house, 71 times over!

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  6. Like it or not, WiFi is here to stay by chia_monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We've heard many people ranting on about how insecure WiFi is, how it will never catch on, and so forth. Then you hear people talk about how great it is. Like it or not, it's here to stay. I like to think of WiFi as the new "wild west", the dotcom of the new generation. Just like the earlier dotcoms, companies are scrambing to make their mark. Some will fail miserably, some will grow to be giants, and some will be successful and be eaten (or destroyed) by the giants. It's still early in the game and it's hard to tell who will win out. Cometa is gone and they had some big backers. Maybe they just didn't have the proper management or revenue model. It'll be interesting to see how this all turns out.

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  7. terabyte triangle by sxtxixtxcxh · · Score: 4, Informative

    from http://terabytetrigangle.com : We (Spokane) also have connectivity - more high-speed fiber per capita than any city in the U.S. - all of downtown has high-speed services available via either fiber or copper. -------------- not sure, but i doubt they'll be adding wi-fi to that last of high-speed services.

    it'll probably be more like a giant starbucks. $10/hr ... :P

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  8. oh great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now the cops will just sit around eating doughnuts AND watching porn.....

  9. Re:Double-edged sword -- mad cell phone disease by rawdirt · · Score: 2, Interesting
    the wi-fi and the cell system both collapse when power disappears for a couple of days.

    at least at&t maintained the batteries for rotary dial!

  10. Airport connectivity by Kludge · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was in the Quad Cities "International" Airport yesterday, and HEY! free wireless internet. Score! But then in Detroit it was $7 to hook up. :P

    Then I thought, there should be some user maintained web page that summarizes what kind of networking airports have available. I couldn't find such a thing on google. Any hints?

  11. I'm in Spokane. by Darth+Muffin · · Score: 3, Interesting
    They mentioned this on the news earlier this week, said that downtown was already wired. So my wife and I went war driving downtown.


    Out of 4 random intersections downtown (well within the listed coverage area), 3 had no signal and the 4th was so weak it kept coming and going.



    I suppose you get what you pay for...

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  12. The elusive step two has been discovered! by natrius · · Score: 5, Funny

    WiFi...quicker fire and rescue response

    1. Buy lots of 2.4 GHz phones and plug them in all over downtown Spokane.
    2. Rob a bank.
    3. Profit!

  13. In related news... by Joey+Patterson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Spokane city officials today announced that the city's population has more than quadrupled due to the sudden influx of Internet geeks who are looking for WiFi. Spokane's mayor likes to refer to it as "the Slashdot effect."

  14. This is how we do it.... by rmarll · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Airport officials aren't sure how many people will sign up to use the service, but the system is equipped to handle hundreds of simultaneous users.

    The service is free until July 16, after which it will cost $6.95 a day.

    The airport spent no money to install the service, and will net at least $60,000 a year after Airport Network Solutions takes its cut.


    Oh and by the way, the federal government coughed up a cool million to finance this venture.

    For those of you who are unfamilar with Spokane we do math a little differently around here. The parking garage downtown for instance. Paid for by the city, for the Cowley family who own the River Park Square mall (and the local papaer) can only break even when it is near 100% capacity year round.

    No, it has never even come close to breaking even.

    1. Re:This is how we do it.... by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you think that's bad, check out Chicago's Soldier Field expansion. When all the cost overruns were calculated, taxpayers spent nearly a billion dollars for a stadium to benefit one private corporation, the forever-losing Chicago Bears. People here are completely immune to the effects of corruption, or so it seems. There was public outrage, but no officials lost their jobs over it.

  15. Great tourist idea by Stalke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This would make a great tourist / sightseeing / shopping platform for many small towns or urban areas in general. You know those things they hand out at museums. What if something like that could be targetted so that someone would walk around a whole city and through gps they would be able to not only find out the history, but also (convinently) that the shops they were passing on the way to another historic spot were "the same place that so-body was caught doing to you know what". You don't always need a gui for this stuff. How much would a gps + cpu + speaker cost anyways?

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  16. Parking meter usage.... by yokem_55 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder if the Spo-compton parking meter nazis will use this. I wouldn't be surprised as when I was living there attending Gonzaga, they had an incredible and uncanny ability to pounce on an expired meter literally withing 60 seconds of expiration. They probably could cut that time down to a quarter of that if each meter had a wifi device and a simple program to broadcast when a meter has expired.....

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  17. Technology Du Jour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    Note the contrast: cells phones danger terrorism bad, jamming technology needed (never mind that emergency services also rely on cell phones)

    OTOH: Wireless freedom innovation good

    Right now geek wireless can do no wrong.

  18. Re:w00t by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Funny

    "I live in Pullman :-) Spok-vegas is only ~70 miles away."

    Better get out that Pringle's can!

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  19. Re:w00t by jhylkema · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm really sorry. You go cow-tipping alot? Howzabout them Cougs and their former coach?

  20. Congratulations, idiots by ajp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Airports shouldn't be selling internet access. While $6.95 isn't a heady chunk of change in my budget it's not something I'm gonna pay when I need to save my batteries for that 4-hour cross country. And finding an open, accessible power socket in an airport is like finding a Krispy Kreme in the Friday bagel basket.

    Why do I want net access in an airport? To check flight times when I'm picking someone up. To check e-mail for a few minutes, maybe. But seven bucks for a 45-minute layover? Give me a break.

    If, say, Topeka International had free, casual wireless access and Fargo International didn't I'd be more likely to book my flights through Topeka. What would Topeka get? My landing fees (which is their core business.) My undying dedication to FooBar Air, who uses--and is more likely to maintain--Topeka as their hub. And happy passengers.

    IBM gives away an OS because they want to sell hardware and consulting services. Stick to your core business. Giving away wifi is inexpensive and high-profile.

    1. Re:Congratulations, idiots by spectasaurus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why do I want net access in an airport? To check flight times when I'm picking someone up.

      Why don't you just look up from your laptop to the big screens on the wall with all the flight info? Yeah, those are the ones.