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Seattle Wireless TV Releases June 2004 Show

drewzhrodague writes "Seattle Wireless TV just released their June 2004 Show, containing a segment by (me) Drew from WiFiMaps, called 'Booze and Wi-Fi,' which is an interview with Doug Luce from Telarama (the world's third ISP). Doug talks about their successful ultra-low-cost hotspot setup, and shows us how they are being deployed. Also, Jason Levitt of Less Networks presents 'How Less Networks and Austin City Wireless Project beat T-Mobile,' a presentation on why every day should be a free Wi-Fi day, how a $100 press release with a good message is worth more than a million-dollar ad campaign, and about their AP/captive-portal setup. Check it out for Realplayer, Windows Media, or MPEG torrent."

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  1. Anyone else concerned about... by dotslashconfig · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The spread of free WiFi and possible security breaches by cyber criminals? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have easy access to information of my coffee break. But what is to prevent a person from using wireless access, which probably isn't as closely monitored (user by user), to avoid restrictions/restraints on their personal access? It seems like until we have methods for identifying criminals on a wireless network, and locking down security, free access is extended to even those who would abuse it.

    Is there anyone who is better versed on this matter who can enlighten me as to security procedures in these "hot-spots" that the article praises?

    1. Re:Anyone else concerned about... by Siva · · Score: 3, Interesting

      what's to stop that same person from going into a public library and using a public access terminal?

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    2. Re:Anyone else concerned about... by nick0909 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am semi-concerned, but there are so many places to get free access already. The library, schools, universities, internet cafe. Some even let you bring your own computer and just plug into their Cat 5 (thats the way we do it at my school if you don't have WiFi). So, it might make it easier, but its not already impossible.

    3. Re:Anyone else concerned about... by 3terrabyte · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The spread of pay phones and possible security breaches by terminal criminals? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have easy access to calling people on my coffee break. But what is to prevent a person from using a pay phone, which probably isn't as closely monitored (user by user), to avoid restrictions/restraints on their personal dialing? It seems like until we have methods for identifying criminals on a pay phone, and locking down security, public access is extended to even those who would abuse it.

      Is there anyone 2 year old who is better versed on this matter who can enlighten my dumb ass as to security procedures in these "pay phones" that the article praises?

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    4. Re:Anyone else concerned about... by 3terrabyte · · Score: 2, Funny
      Sadly, I have recently found out that at my library, we now have to type in our library card number to log on to their very, very secured computers to access the internet.

      Never thought I'd have to steal a peak at someone else's library card before...

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    5. Re:Anyone else concerned about... by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Never thought I'd have to steal a peak at someone else's library card before..."

      Neither has anyone else, so I doubt they'd treat it securely.

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    6. Re:Anyone else concerned about... by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We are talking about ease of hacking and launching viri to the wild anonymously. Not simple phone phreaking or cussing up a storm to someone via crankcall.

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    7. Re:Anyone else concerned about... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So, to paraphrase what you're saying:

      The spread of curdled milk and possible security breaches by curd-lovers? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have easy access to all that curdled goodness on my coffee break. But what is to prevent a person from using curdled dairy products for devious activities during their personal use? It seems like until we have methods for identifying criminals that hold these curdled dairy containers, and locking down security, public curd consumption is extended to even those who would abuse it. ... in other words, you use a completely inadequate analogy. While phone networks are similar to data networks, and are actually mostly digital themselves nowadays, it misses the requirements of being a proper analogy; that is, having critical similarities that make it analogous.

      The simple fact is that data networks are much more vulnerable in general to use activities than a phone network, and have more known vulnerabilities to boot. A person (or a group of persons) could theoretically take down large amounts of connectivity (DNS, gateway routers, etc.), destroy financial information (bank security, etc.), or what have you with -relative- ease. There are a lot more tools, and a lot more tools for making tools, available on the Internet. Phone networks are significantly less versatile.

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  2. World's 3rd ISP ? by gorim · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok, I went to their web page to read up on the story, and they say they were founded in 1991 as the world's first ISP.

    I question this big time. Tons of the huge ISP's existed before 1991. So, in what way are they claiming to be 3rd ? Context is everything, if there is to be any amount of truth to a statement, assuming there is any truth.

    On the other hand, at least they don't have the balls to say they are 1st or 2nd.

    1. Re:World's 3rd ISP ? by nacturation · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, well my company is uh... FOURTH! Right! Telerama beat me to the registration office by a minute, so they got the prestige of being third. Want another unverifiable fact? Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both made private anonymous investments in my company!

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  3. editing? by drivers · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was just watching the video which includes someone giving a powerpoint-esqe presentation. Right now they are trying to figure out why the remote control doesn't advance the slide. How about some video editing? I don't really need to relive the entire experience.

  4. 700MB would be nice, too :) by timothy · · Score: 2, Funny

    There's some rough editing, as you say, but the more annoying thing is that the MPEG version of the show (whether in the editing process or the compression phase) isn't boiled down to a nice CD-R size like 700MB. 900+ makes it too large for a single disk, and a fair chunk of my hard drive :)

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  5. Re:Have the site work ... by rasz · · Score: 2, Informative

    torrent works fine, but OMFG a 900MB file !! Thats going to fill up my monthly quota :/ (lame 5gb for a 10$ a month).
    And now i read they didnt edited the video, just great. I'm a little pissed. I want to see it, but i definitelly dont want to see someone figuring out the remote for a 200mb of the movie :(.

    16 hours do download, I just love those 128kBit DLS lines :P.

  6. Doug Luce is a good guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    before u all go ape shit questioning Doug Luce and Telerama being third....

    Telerama has been around since way back... probably at the point where most of you still were living at home and getting allowance and using your parents computer.

    If Telerama wasn't third they were damn close.

    Prior to the Telerama ISP, Doug ran some pretty nifty home brewed multi-line chat system that was used a lot by the locals here in Pittsburgh.

    Over the years Doug has taken his geekiness and crafted both a sustainable business and tried his hand at supporting all sorts of cool things like this. He's a real genuine guy and not some office suit bore.

    Even his employees are a different kind of folk. Liberal open minded and unix focused.

    -p

    1. Re:Doug Luce is a good guy by drewzhrodague · · Score: 2, Informative

      So, I guess I could have posted that they were the third "public" ISP, since universities mostly made up the Internet at the time.

      Universities are not really Internet Service Providers, they're Universities. Companies like Telerama were into providing Internet, as opposed to creating the Internet.

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  7. "Wireless" TV? by Blaede · · Score: 5, Funny

    What a breakthrough! And all these years I'd been thinking, "if someone could just come up with a way to deliver content that didn't require my TV to be tethered to a cable, they'd make millions!" Can you imagine the possibilites? One could take a small portable TV, plug it into a power connection, turn it on and start watching! Heck you could watch it in the middle of nowhere, and no longer depend on your local cable company for programming. Why didn't they think of this sooner?

    1. Re:"Wireless" TV? by ColaMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't laugh - see the Sony Wireless TV.

      I saw that and thought WTF?!? They're marketing a wireless TV? This is THE BEGINNING OF THE END of marketing!

      "Yeah, this TV it's, er, wireless - it's the new hotness. Only cost me 3 grand!"
      "Wait, you mean wireless, like all TV's have been since their orginal release in the 1930's?"
      "Er... Go away now."

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  8. Content is the key by Alice_Pleasance_Lidd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wireless media distribution is great, but even harder to search and find what you're looking for than text. If anyone can broadcast, the people who co-operate to create something creative and engaging will come out on top. If you create something worth seeing, it ought to make it onto a conventional TV network, though they seem to have lost the concept of "worth seeing."

  9. Brilliant idea. by dj245 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    how a $100 press release with a good message is worth more than a million-dollar ad campaign,

    This is a great idea. If only these press releases could be posted to a major news site that hundreds of thousands of nerds read every day, think of the exposure! Hey, wait a minute....

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  10. I met with the FBI again last week. by drewzhrodague · · Score: 2, Informative

    I met with the FBI again last week, and that was one of their concerns -- "bad guys", as they call 'em, can hop onto wireless networks rather anonymously, and perform computer crimes. It's hard to track them down, unlike a those using a wired connection. Phishing, spamming, warez, the whole lot.

    However, what they're seeing is NOT a flood of computer crimes using wireless technologies. Couple isolated incidents here and there, but mostly from people who don't think first (and get caught).

    So, while the security issues are definately a concern, it doesn't seem to be any additional concern, especially for the FBI. Check out the ncfta for more information.

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