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SpaceShipOne Flight Not as Perfect as it Seemed

ArbiterOne writes "SpaceShipOne's flight wasn't as perfect as it seemed, according to Burt Rutan and New Scientist. Apparently, at one point in the descent, the pilot completely lost attitude control. According to him, "If that had happened earlier, I would never have made it and you all would be looking sad right now." Could this pose some problems for the X-Prize contender?"

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  1. Still a great flight by PFactor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't see anyone doing any better than they did (yet).

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  2. It's perfectly normal by JosKarith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Build...test...improve...retest...etc
    It's how aeronautical design's been done for decades. I very much doubt this'll be a major setback for them.

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  3. This is why more people didnt go by PktLoss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A few of my friends were very surprised that this run wouldn't count at all for the X-Prize, since it didn't have enough people or weight to replace them.

    This is exactly why, it was a test run, things can, and did (though fortunatly not bad enough to have resulted in loss of life) go wrong.

    I think this was exactly the right way for them to have approached this, go up with as little extra as possible, see what goes well and what doesn't, and make revisions based on that. Though an extra 300lbs might not have mattered much with this particular problem, in other cases it could have turned a small problem into a disaster.

    1. Re:This is why more people didnt go by stanmann · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, because TECHNICALLY he entered space. He IS an Astronaut.

      100km is defined as space... and its not a big deal that its being done, the big deal is that he did it for cheap.

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      if I barely hit you with a hand grenade, you will be just as dead.
      if I barely hit your house with a nuclear weapon, you will still be dead.

      the wright brothers barely went 100 meters, but it was powered flight.

      Barely is the difference between hitting and missing.

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  4. Minor Issue + Space = Scary, but keep trying! by Ayandia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For spaceflight it seems to take fewer imperfections to kill you. For a first run mostly perfect is fantastic...especially since the not perfect parts didn't involve dying.

    The flight was a success, the pilot survived, and the ship wasn't damaged? Good job guys! Don't get lazy!

  5. Accept the risk by mratitude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a society viewing the initial private sojourns into space we need to prepare for the risk these people will take and we need to prepare ourselves for the first casualties. Otherwise, when someone does die, we'll knee-jerk the issue to the point that someone will suggest "There ought to be a law...".

    There's been quite enough of that already, thank you very much. Get ready for it, it's going to happen. Every pioneering effort accumulates causualties.

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  6. It should have been expected by Jetson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article says that he lost attitude control at the end of the burn as the ship was leaving the atmosphere. What else would you expect, considering the primary attitude controls are atmospheric flight surfaces? Once the ailerons, elevators and rudders have no air to push agains you're pretty much stuck with gyros, attitude thrusters or a controllable main engine thrust nozzle. This craft had NONE of those, so It would be completely reasonable to expect it to tumble until the air friction had built up enough for the fins to reorient the aircraft along the motion vector.

    1. Re:It should have been expected by Thagg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      SpaceShipOne is fairly unique in that the horizontal tail surfaces are outside the span of the wings. It uses differential movement of these tail surfaces to control roll. At subsonic speeds the pilot controls the elevons at the back of these surfaces, through a fairly normal linkage, but as you get to supersonic speeds the aerodynamic forces become impossible for human strength to overcome. So, at high speeds the front half of the tail control surfaces are moved electrically to generate pitch and roll forces. Apparently one of these electric trim systems failed.

      The Bell X-1 used a similar electric trim for pitch, to overcome instabilities going through Mach 1.

      Because the elevons on SpaceShipOne control both pitch and roll, Melville was left with no control on two out of three axes at the end of his climb. I cannot imagine how this must have felt, but he recovered with astonishing speed -- and was playing around with floating M&M's a few seconds later. It's unclear to me just what kind of "backup system" he used to control the ship after the trim motor failure, perhaps it was the cold-gas thrusters.

      SpaceShipOne depends on still being within the vestiges of the atmosphere for control while the rocket is firing, although the parent poster is correct, control will get sloppy toward the end of the burn as they get above 150,000 ft. The ship has the advantage that it is going very fast indeed at that point, so while there is not a lot of air up there, the forces is generates is more than you would expect.

      I was surprised watching the launch that the exhaust plume did not change much during the flight from 50,000 ft to burnout -- I would have expected to see far more expansion as it left the atmosphere -- as you see during a MinuteMan launch, for example. This again points to the ship still being atmosphere of some significant (while small!) density at burnout.

      That Mike Melville is one hell of a pilot, his skill and Burt Rutan's innovative feather recovery saved the day. Every previous manned exoatmospheric craft depended on flying an extremely precise attitude before and during re-entry. Failure to maintain this attitude led to the loss of an X-15 and the NF-104 as dramatically recounted in The Right Stuff. SpaceShipOne has no effective attitude control during re-entry, but feathering the wing put the ship into an extremely stable high-drag configuration. Once the ship was subsonic and the wing was folded back into its normal position, the manual control of the elevons was used to fly the ship to a perfect landing.

      If you look at SpaceShipOne as it flew yesterday, there was significant work done in the tail booms after the previous flight and prior to this one -- the most obvious change is the installation of a few more camera portholes (presumably with cameras behind them). That's the first place I'd look for the cause of the trim failure.

      The launch yesterday was great fun to attend, and I really do think that it will mark a profound change in our access to space.

      Thad Beier

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  7. Indeed by adequacy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Maybe there is a valid reason why Nasa is so expensive after all.

    Indeed! NASA never has accidents that kill people. Through the mass application of science and billions of taxpayer dollars, all risk has been eliminated from space travel. Carry on, sir.
    1. Re:Indeed by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 4, Insightful
      In NASA's defense, NASA designed the space shuttles how many years ago with what level of technology? Their spacecraft is how many years old? Working how many years after it's expected lifespan? Carries how large of payloads? Acts as living quarters for how many people for how many days? Is capable of supporting what range of experiments? Can dock with what other types of space craft?

      SpaceShipOne and Scaled Composites are very good, but they are like the japanese entering the car market. Also, they are designing to a much smaller scope than the space shuttle.

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  8. Class act by amightywind · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Credit Mike Melville and Burt Rutan for being so open about the problems they experienced. Remember, this is 1 day after the flight! Compare that with how NASA closed ranks and divulged Columbia information with an eye dropper for weeks after the disaster. The only statements made by the mission controllers were through their lawyers. The Russians and Chinese would never admit to problems at all. Burt Rutan is a genious, he puts his work on the line for all the world to see. Space Ship 1 is a class act all the way around.

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    1. Re:Class act by SilentChris · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Compare that with how NASA closed ranks and divulged Columbia information"

      I don't think that's fair or even justified. NASA is (primarily) a government organization. They have contractors to pay, politicians to appease, etc. Every flight is a multimilion dollar undertaking, and consider the vast majority for them have gone well, they must be doing something right.

      Yesterday's flight, while incredible, was done with a very low budget (and in some ways, seat of the pants). Not that that's inherently "wrong", but they'd have a lot less people to answer to if something catastrophic happened. They'd probably have some investors to explain to, but NASA had over 300 million with Columbia. Would you rather the answers come out quickly or correctly?

  9. they will win by VanillaCoke420 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In my opinion, they have the greatest chance of winning. Scaled is the only team that have performed actual flight tests with their real spacecraft and not only testfiring their rockets or prototypes. They have come a very long way through a careful series of testflights, going higher and faster every time. Now they've reached space. Even the other promising teams (Canadian Arrow, Starchaser, da Vinci, etc.) have yet to fly a fullscale rocket, manned or not. They still have six months to do it. They've come the farthest, and unless they experience some serious setbacks, they have a great chance of winning. Sure things might not go perfectly now or later, but if noone is making mistakes, then how are they supposed to learn from them?

  10. minor setbacks and some carmack links :P by FaerieBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I've been following armadillo for some time, and though armadillo/carmack doesn't think armadillo is going to win the x-prize, carmack stated before that control systems/requiring a pilot could lead to major setbacks for Space Ship One and change the odds (back in august). And more recently he discussed his focus on control systems.

    According to one article they had to run on backup systems, another said the pilot heard a loud BANG at one point (lost that link). Not happy stuff, clearly they moved too soon.

    For me, i'm not all that interested in the higher cost version of scaled composites, Rutan IS a pioneer, but previous work has also been government related. Which is why I laugh at the whole notion of public/private. Don't get me wrong, govt funding/projects are a good thing. But im sick of the BS pretending that there's the government and there's private industry. They are interelated, and we would do well to discuss, and plan, that relationship and public funding of r&d. And dont get me started on healthcare.

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    1. Re:minor setbacks and some carmack links :P by neurojab · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >But im sick of the BS pretending that there's the government and there's private industry. They are interelated, and we would do well to discuss, and plan, that relationship and public funding of r&d. And dont get me started on healthcare

      Commie. :)

      The fact is, in a capitalist society (or at least one that's MOSTLY capitalist), spending tax dollars and non-tax dollars are different things. If tax dollars are spent, you get a $900 toilet seat, $5 million in wireless equipment that never leaves the loading dock, etc. It's impossible for government to be efficient, because there's no incentive for efficiency. On the other hand, if private dollars are spent, there's a very big incentive to be efficient: They get to keep the money they don't spend! (or at least whoever is funding them gets to).

      That is the very reason SpaceShipOne cost $20 million instead of $2 billion. If we ever want space flight to be within the reach of the average person, NASA is NOT going to get us there. It's private programs like this that will make the cost reasonable.

  11. Re:Don't be too harsh by malfunct · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Um, I don't call an exploding rocket booster a small problem.

    I also don't call a big hole in the heat resistant paneling when you plan to endure metal melting temperatures a small problem either.

    In contrast getting your ship pointed in the wrong direction for a while is smaller in that at least you get a chance to correct the problem (and in fact he had already corrected some issues in control moments after he fired the rockets proving he is an excellent pilot, damn lucky, or both).

    All in all this flight was probably as perfect as any adventure into space can hope to be.

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  12. Re:This isn't what I expected by Coryoth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm really impressed with the White Knight launching vehicle and the new rocket design but all the Spaceship One team have proven that given enough money, anyone can build a spaceship. We knew that already however.

    Really? It seems to me that Scaled Composites have redefined "enough money" to be a hell of a lot lower than it used to be. So far they've spent about $20 million, which sounds like a lot, but let's put that into some perspective: That's less than the cost of a brand new 747. It's about 5% of the cost of a single shuttle launch. It's less than a 5th of what the Canadian government recently pissed away on cronyism in the recent sponsorship scandal. It's the amount of cash Peter Jackson is getting paid to direct King Kong. On the scale that these guys are operating $20 million is a piss in the bucket. It's more than you or I might happen to have lying around in spare change, but compared to the costs for standard everyday (non space going)performance aircraft it is unbelievably cheap.

    Jedidiah.

  13. Chicken Little by The+Ape+With+No+Name · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Could this pose some problems for the X-Prize contender?

    C'mon. What are you a Mac user? ;-) Not everything works seemlessly out of the box. If anything this is a perfect reason why there should a human behind the controls. "Yeah, the controls got stiff then I lost attitude control. Then they became softer." That is the kind of feedback that engineers, especially those making it up on the spot, live by.

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  14. we will win by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Insightful

    regardless of who wins the X-prize... we win. everyone of us.

  15. Re:This says quite a bit about... by at_kernel_99 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This says quite a bit about... ...the pilot's skill.

    It does. Though I'm not sure what it says about his judgement. I certainly have the highest respect for Melville as a pilot - he's been testing for Burt for decades. However, when you look at the flight - he noticed control anomalies immediately after separating from White Knight, but chose to continue the flight - maybe he did indeed get very lucky. What caused the bang? What caused the control problems both early and late in the flight?

    In flight training, my instructor called it 'get home-itis'. When you're close to home you're a lot more likely to press on in deteriorating circumstances than if you're still far from home. With the public & press invited to this launch, was there too much pressure on Melville to make the flight despite early signs of possible problems? I hate to second guess a professional of his caliber, but it feels like there was a lot of luck involved in this flight.

  16. yada yada by maxpublic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let' recap, shall we?

    (1) The ship was successfully launched
    (2) The ship achieved it's goal
    (3) Both ship and pilot returned safely to the ground

    I would call this a success, wouldn't you?

    I'd also point out that the pilot - who, I'd wager, has more experience testing experimental craft than all of Slashdot put together - was so concerned over the irregularities of the flight that he...played with M&M's while weightless.

    Yep, ol' Mike was riddled with doubt and fear over the safety of his ship, he was.

    Hand-wringers, space never was, and never will be, for you.

    Max

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