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SETI@Home Transitions To BOINC

SeaDour writes "The team at SETI@Home have finally released their highly-anticipated new client software based on the BOINC (Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing) software platform. This new platform promises transparent version upgrades, more efficient work unit distribution, and the ability to seamlessly integrate other distributed computing projects that are also using the BOINC standard. For now, SETI@Home is allowing both the Classic and BOINC clients to run, but eventually they will shut down the Classic data server and force everyone to upgrade. You can read more about the transition here."

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  1. I for one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    welcome our BOINC alien-finding overlords. sorry.

  2. Breaking Compatibility by Ricwot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real question is, will this help the project, or will it harm it when the classic is phased out, those users looking for a pretty screensaver who installed the software one day when they were bored are unlikely to upgrade, that said however, the way that it can now be used for any project means that more causes can benefit without having to write the software themselves.

    1. Re:Breaking Compatibility by igny · · Score: 5, Insightful
      There are ~5mil total registered users, and ~500k active users (at least 1 result in last 4 weeks). I guess there are >100k users who are die hard fans, running it 24/7 on all their machines. Likely those will be first to upgrade, followed by the rest of them. Possibly, many of inactive users might come back with this upgrade.

      In conclusion, you might see spikes in the userbase in short term, but it won't affect long term dynamics.

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      In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. - Yogi Berra
  3. Re:Waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe the new BOINC software will allow you to split your computing time between SETI and Folding?

  4. Bill Watterson was right... by CaseyB · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Scientific progress goes BOINC?"

  5. Re:Waste by Brainix · · Score: 5, Insightful
    While I see your point, I think you are being unfair to SETI. As I understand it, SETI has made leaps not only in the search for extra-terrestrial life, but also in the area of distributed computing.

    I once had a friend who was a psychology major. She asked me, "How can you study computer science when there are children out there being abused, and women out there being raped?"

    We must pick our battles, and contribute to the best of our ability.

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    Raj Against the Machine! http://social-butterfly.appspot.com/
  6. a great joke by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know, I'd love to setup a transmitter and inject a signal into the seti data collection dish - you know, a low level non-random mathematically transformed character stream that roughtly translates to "The earthlings will never find us here" or something.

    If done right it could be a bigger practical joke than the War of the Worlds broadcast of 1938!

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    try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
  7. Re:SETI running out of Work-Units? by Thng · · Score: 5, Informative
    Not sure if this is before or after the news you heard, but for version 3.03, they added additional processing capability in the client so workunits would take longer to process
    News posting
    Text:
    Added additional science coverage. We now do a thorough search out to a chirp rate of +- 20 Hz/second. The cost of the additional coverage is that clients will take longer to process a workunit

    However, as 3.03 is rather old, I wouldn't be surprised if the new and faster computers and old clients that weren't upgraded negated some of the effect.

    thng

  8. Re:Waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >>I once had a friend who was a psychology major. She asked me, "How can you study computer science when there are children out there being abused, and women out there being raped?"

    People who think we should do anything because we can't do everything are annoying. I am supremely unqualified to produce peace in the Middle East, cure AIDS, or fix overpopulation in China. I can however spare a few computer cycles for something that interests me, and searching for aliens seems to be a better use of my time than watching flying cows.

    (BTW, this isn't directed at you, but at your friend who thinks compsci is somehow less important than psych. My guess is that computer science will do more to help the world than every psychiatrist and psychologist put together, though I certainly don't begrudge them pursuing their own interests)

  9. Will new client screen out 'cheaters'? by Siergen · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I recall reading that some SETI contributors had found ways to artificially raise their rankings for number of packets processed (forget how they did it). This angered some contributors whose high rankings were based on real results, and who were now being knocked from the top spots by the 'cheaters'.

    Does the new client include methods to block the methods used to spoof the current SETI@Home client?

  10. Can you disable automatic updates? by Hibernator · · Score: 5, Interesting
    In the transition FAQ it says
    BOINC transparently and securely downloads new application versions. This lets us upgrade and extend SETI@home without requiring you to download and install new software.
    which makes me wonder if users can disable that. I don't want anybody installing software on my computer without my approval, thank you.

    The FAQ didn't answer that question--does anyone know?

  11. Re:Waste by fatmonkeyboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, there are a number of ways she could (theorhetically) be helping by working as a psychologist, though there is certainly no guarantee.

    * If she treats children she might prevent those children from becoming abusive to their own children, ten years down the line. Or she might prevent them from becoming rapists.

    * If she works in social services she might identify children who are being abused and put an earlier stop to it.

    * Even if she doesn't help prevent it, she might be able to help repair the damage in the aftermath. Just because she's making money from it doesn't mean it isn't still a worthy cause.

    That said, I've never been impressed with what I've seen from the field of psychology. I do think that just talking to someone who is genuinely interested in helping you work through your problems is helpful though.

    So, regardless of whether or not their science has much merit, I think psychologists are doing good work.

    But the whole "how can you study X when Y is occurring argument" is pretty lame. A society like ours which supports deep specializations has to have people specializing in every field. Might as well go with the one you enjoy and/or have talent for...

  12. BOINC by Sunspire · · Score: 5, Informative

    Boinc is more than just an updated Seti@Home, it's a generic delivery platform for distributed projects. That means you, yes you, can develope a BOINC app. Just gather some people to run it for you and compute away without needing any approval from the guys at Berkeley. Basically the participants enter a project URL into the BOINC application, the program then downloads your code and the crunching begins. BOINC handles all the network, workunit, results, distribution, security, versioning etc. issues for you.

    Participants can even choose to split their resources among several projects, say, Seti@Home and Folding@Home. Another thing that will also be used in the new Seti@Home is that you can have clients participating in the same project working on completely different computation sets. For example, clients that have proven themselves to have a fast workunit turnaround time and a long history of participating and that have a gigabyte or more of RAM can be given special tasks that would normally be impossible because of the high number of griefers on the net.

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    It's like deja vu all over again.