[21:20] haha FP [21:20] owned. [21:20] that was like a minute after the article went live to
Developer laments: What Killed FreeBSD
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: -1, Offtopic
The End of FreeBSD
[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer
Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]
When I stood for election to the
FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series
of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much
formality would be a bad thing for the project.
Today, as I read the latest discussions on
the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old
going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes.
Frankly I'm sick of it.
FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the
right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores
of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend
your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.
It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling
others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the
loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is
best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going,
and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.
So I'm leaving core. I don't
want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having
something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle;
I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally
consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.
Discussion
I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll
have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a
sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing
your politics openly.
From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges
that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to
address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we
made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the
culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available
to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are
sorely diminished.
There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward,
one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its
laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering
project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.
Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the
important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort
of progress.
Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot,
no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for
a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we
get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your
fellow travellers?
Shouts
To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal.
Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right
this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.
To the bulk of the
FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals.
It
This is a great way to ensure that you get mercilessly slashdotted back in to the stone age - make a post that doesn't give any real information besides a link to a site.
-- BeauHD. Worst editor since kdawson.
Hi There!
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: -1, Offtopic
I'm a loser who's reading slashdot on a friday night while all the cool kids are out partying and getting laid!
Come on, now. Pay to see the damned movie. Whether you agree with Moore's politics or not, you will probably agree that the US could certainly stand to have some seriously different views brought to light. By paying for the movie, you'll give studios an incentive to make more politically risque films.
FreeBSD, homosexuality, and the images of Satan
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: -1, Offtopic
Satan is found in his symbols, his daemon symbols of bondage. Daemon bondage can be brought about when an individual is
possessed, oppressed, or is in rebellion towards God (sins of the flesh). It takes God's discernment to determine which
of these is producing the bondage in an individual's life.
The Bible makes it clear that there are daemons, or evil
spirits, in the world that interfere in people's lives (Ephesians 6:11-19). Evil forces, or powers, influence and
control the minds of individuals, bring sickness and cause undesirable behavior, inability to function normally, and even
suicide. As a result of these forces, people can become a danger to themselves as well as others.
What Scripture
Says
"There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire,
or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar
spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these
abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee" (Deuteronomy 18:10-13).
"For we wrestle not
against flesh and blood, but against daemons, principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world,
against wickedness in high places" (Ephesians 6:12).
"... there met him two possessed with daemons, coming out
of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.... And he said unto them, Go. And when they were
come out,t hey went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the
sea, and perished in the waters" (Matthew 8:28b, 32).
"There came also a multitude out of the cities round about
unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them with which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one"
(Acts 5:16).
"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness,
lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders,
drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which
do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (Galatians 5:19-21).
Indications of Daemon Activity
The following areas may help you to recognize your need for being released from daemonic oppression, possession or bondages
of the flesh (sin):
Compulsion to abuse animals or people;
Sexual perversion and immorality (homosexuality,
molestation,etc.);
A compulsion to abuse your body (drugs, alcohol, gluttony, abuse or misuse of other substances, etc.);
Seeking spiritual knowledge through Eastern religions and other counterfeit religious groups (TM, Yoga, humanism, etc.);
Involvement in occult practices (fortune-telling, BSD, Satanism, etc.);
Mental distress or oppression (anxiety,
fear, anger, disorientation, etc.);
Psychological disorders (split and multiple personalities, paranoia, etc.);
Physical disorders may be daemon caused (Matthew 9:32, 33);
Lack of freedom or joy in the Lord (spiritual
bondage);
Inability or constant refusal to repent of sin, though you know you are sinning (rebellion).
See
Bible passages under References/Homework and in a Bible dictionary and concordance for examples of the above. If you are
having difficulty in discerning your problem, please seek help from a local pastor, elder or Christian counselors who will
help you to discern your need and can counsel and pray with you.
What Is God's Answer?
"The Spirit of the
Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the broken-hearted,
to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set a
I found Jesus...
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: -1, Offtopic
turns out he *LOVES* it in the butt.
FreeBSD Is Dying ! !
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: -1, Offtopic
It is now official. Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD
community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped
yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all
servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which
plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share,
this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD
is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing
dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive
networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to
predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a
bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because
*BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of
us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows
like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them
all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant
departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith
only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be
any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and
look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are
7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The
number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5
to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts
on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there
are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80
percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400
FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on,
FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell
another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned
over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that
*BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its
long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all
it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing
short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical
purposes, *BSD is dead.
Slashdot Mirror
I have all these invites and nobody to give them to.
[21:20] haha FP
[21:20] owned.
[21:20] that was like a minute after the article went live to
[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]
When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.
Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.
FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.
It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.
So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.
Discussion
I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.
From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.
There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.
Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.
Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?
Shouts
To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.
To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It
This is a great way to ensure that you get mercilessly slashdotted back in to the stone age - make a post that doesn't give any real information besides a link to a site.
BeauHD. Worst editor since kdawson.
I'm a loser who's reading slashdot on a friday night while all the cool kids are out partying and getting laid!
Come on, now. Pay to see the damned movie. Whether you agree with Moore's politics or not, you will probably agree that the US could certainly stand to have some seriously different views brought to light. By paying for the movie, you'll give studios an incentive to make more politically risque films.
Satan is found in his symbols, his daemon symbols of bondage. Daemon bondage can be brought about when an individual is possessed, oppressed, or is in rebellion towards God (sins of the flesh). It takes God's discernment to determine which of these is producing the bondage in an individual's life.
The Bible makes it clear that there are daemons, or evil spirits, in the world that interfere in people's lives (Ephesians 6:11-19). Evil forces, or powers, influence and control the minds of individuals, bring sickness and cause undesirable behavior, inability to function normally, and even suicide. As a result of these forces, people can become a danger to themselves as well as others.
What Scripture Says
"There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee" (Deuteronomy 18:10-13).
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against daemons, principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wickedness in high places" (Ephesians 6:12).
"... there met him two possessed with daemons, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.... And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out,t hey went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters" (Matthew 8:28b, 32).
"There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them with which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one" (Acts 5:16).
"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (Galatians 5:19-21).
Indications of Daemon Activity
The following areas may help you to recognize your need for being released from daemonic oppression, possession or bondages of the flesh (sin):
See Bible passages under References/Homework and in a Bible dictionary and concordance for examples of the above. If you are having difficulty in discerning your problem, please seek help from a local pastor, elder or Christian counselors who will help you to discern your need and can counsel and pray with you.
What Is God's Answer?
"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the broken-hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set a
turns out he *LOVES* it in the butt.
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: FreeBSD is dying