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The Open Source Paradigm Shift

Tim O'Reilly has written up a talk he has given about the open source paradigm shift, which he describes as fundamental and long-term changes in the technology world brought on by the widespread adoption of Free and open source software.

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  1. You know... by cbrocious · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You see people using BS buzzwords constantly in the industry where money and marketing are everything, but why in F/OSS software? That just seems counterproductive.

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    1. Re:You know... by Xpilot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You see people using BS buzzwords constantly in the industry where money and marketing are everything, but why in F/OSS software? That just seems counterproductive.

      Because it's the only way to talk to the thick-skulled PHB's. And unfortunately for us, the world is run by idiots who only listen to marketing-speak. This is for them.

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    2. Re:You know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      > And unfortunately for us, the world is run by idiots who only listen to marketing-speak. This is for them.

      If you're so fucking smart how come you're not running the world?

  2. There's a lot of words that men in suits use. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If we ban ALL of these words from our vocabulary, it will make many things difficult to express.

    Also, at some point it may become necessary to actually communicate things to men wearing suits. In particular, it may at some point be necessary for Tim O'Reily to communicate things to men wearing suits. If Tim O'Reily is to communicate with men wearing suits, it is likely it is to Tim O'Reily's benefit to do so using words that men wearing suits are likely to be accustomed to hearing.

  3. Re:Bad mixture of words by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Insightful


    A relationship between open source software and corporations can exist. But to the business suit crowd, could you please leave the bullshit keywords at the door?


    It's interesting how a phrase can lose its meaning; it's context. Tim credits the phrase "paradigm shift" to Thomas Kuhn in a 1962 book that describes changes in scientific reasoning. These days we associate it with meaningless over-use by Suits trying to sound intelligent.
  4. OSS is still a niche by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft will dominate OS market as long there's no OEM Linux distributors.

    1. Re:OSS is still a niche by xiando · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft and their development model is not a bad thing, it provides a great alternative. And there are commercial Linux distributions who provide the same level of support and hand-holding as Microsoft.

      Software is all about support. When someone buys a piece of software they buy the support and the hand-holding. OpenOffice vs MS Office is not only a matter if how good the software is, it's also a questions of how good support and other extra value vendors are willing to add. And Open Source (re)sellers can provide a much higher level of support than others because they have little or no development costs.. all their clients money can go directly to providing that extra vaule...

    2. Re:OSS is still a niche by SpookyFish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Come on. There isn't a single open-source-support company out there who can hold a candle to the level of support (i.e. ass-kissing) that M$ and it's $billions in the bank can give.

      The advantage is in being able to modify the code to help the purchaser's problems -- with "premier" level support at MS, the hand-holding is stellar.. but once your problem has worked it's way back to engineering, things slow to a crawl.

      I think this is a valuable niche (customer-directed code fixes/changes) that no open-source support company has really exploited to full advantage -- yet.

    3. Re:OSS is still a niche by jimicus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Very true, but I think the OP was discussing OEMs selling to the home market.

      Further, the amount of crap users (both home and business) will tolerate from Microsoft is stunning.

      I mean seriously, until Windows 2000/XP started replacing '9x, most non-tech people thought there was nothing wrong with computers which crashed for no apparent reason, giving meaningless error messages, required the neighbours kid to look at every couple of months, sometimes worked with the latest camera/scanner/printer and sometimes didn't etc etc etc.... Businesses wouldn't put up with it on the server side, but even then a lot of desktop users in large companies silently put up with a similar level of stability. And all the time, nobody outside the tech community said "This is a load of crap, There must be an alternative."

      Things have improved since 2k and XP were released. But for Open Source to succeed in any battle with Microsoft software, it must not be equal. It must be superior in cost, in availability of support (who do you call when the neighbour's kid goes to university?), in stability and in hardware support.

    4. Re:OSS is still a niche by Tarantolato · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why is this modded insightful? The thrust of the article was something O'Reilly's been saying for a while:

      Want to point open-source successes out to someone? Don't for chrissakes start talking about OpenOffice, the GIMP and Mozilla. Amazon and Google are open-source successes.

      The point is that Windows is a niche market. A tough one to crack, maybe; but an increasingly small part of everything that's done on computers.

  5. The change is that OS is now an alternative by xiando · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The "Open Source Desktop", by that I mean the Linux kernel + Gnu tools + Gnome and/or KDE, has now matured to a level where it has become a real choice, or threat depending on perspective, to commercial alternatives. Goverments are looking into Linux and switching or using it as leverage to get a better price on commercial alternatives. This is new. Not something that came overnight, though, it's something that's been happening for a while. Personally I've used Linux both as desktop and server OS for many years. But I am a "skilled", not average computer user. The big change is that Linux distributions and other OS software is now so user-friendly and complete that average joe can use it to get all his tasks done. And this is a big change.

    1. Re:The change is that OS is now an alternative by latroM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gnu tools

      The GNU part is more than some tools. It is an unix like OS framework which contains also many libraries.

      better price on commercial alternatives.

      You mean non-free? Free Software/Open Source can also be commercial. There is money involved in support and in coding new features.

  6. Wouldn't it be easier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    to simply abide by the terms of the GPL? Then you won't be sued.

  7. The thing is by sirboxalot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    OSS, while it may be changing the way the industry works, is still not commonplace to the end user. Linux distros will never have the distribution Microsoft has because of brand name recognition and accessibility. It may be getting there, O'Reilly points out the fact that web-based "killer apps" that appeal to a desktop user (ie. Google) run Linux but a Dell shipping with Red Hat is a long way off.

    1. Re:The thing is by halowolf · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm a contract programmer and OSS has saved me countless times, when working for companies that think I just wave my hands and software materializes out of nowhere. Many times the tools that I am given is a computer with Windows and thats it. I might have some remote DB or LDAP server to use or something but thats usually it.

      If they don't give me internet access, then its about time to go home as I often spend the next few hours downloading and setting up a whole raft of OSS to get my job done. From applications to libraries. Plus the basic necessities so I can avoid using IE :) Bless you Mozilla and Apache Foundations.

      So many companies I have worked for, rely on OSS just to get their daily development done, just because they don't want to spend the money on any tools. Admitedly these places arn't asking for the development of Windows software, mostly Web and Java and don't usually have big development teams.

      I normally sit there and try to convert other people that work with me to change to OSS alternatives when I see that something that they are doing can be improved. Or when they hear me retch when I seem them using IE...

      Never underestimate the power of free. Most places I work for don't have a problem with using OSS libraries at all, some are not all that keen on free server software like Web Application Servers and such due to the lack and someone to call up at 2 in the morning and panic too. And some are more then willing to use Tomcat instead of actually paying 10's of thousands of dollars for a WAS.

      I've never worked anywhere yet, that has actually wanted to modify OSS code...

  8. Re:*pop* by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What was that sound? A paradigm shifting without a clutch.

    Oh come on. It's easy really. Anyone can do it. All you have to do is blip your technology strategic outlook and ease the paradigm into the new gestalt when the synergies match.

    KFG

  9. Could be onto something.... by Strenoth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A 'paradigm shift' is a radical shift in the way people think. Not individuals, but a large group as a whole. a population.

    Right now, individuals think of the idea of free software being both good and viable.

    But more and more people are thinking that way. When enough people think that way, the population as a whoel will effectively be thinking that way, and the way soft ware is produced will have radically changed (hopefully for the better).

    At this point, we will have a paradigm shift.

    now, given that we may be facing a paradigm shift that might greatly reduce Microsoft's ability to generate large revenue, at least via Windows and MS office, the idea of a service-software industry (aka Google, Yahoo!, Amazon, etc.) being the next big market makes sense. It's certainly already growing.

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  10. Re:Bad mixture of words by not-quite-rite · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not to be an arse, but why is this modded so high?

    Such an emotional attachment to words. Shouldn't you just lay off the attachment, and look at what is meant by the words?

    Unless you also rely upon the emotional attachment of "Open Source" as well?

    Just use the tools, stop crying, and play the game properly

    (and here i go down to bad karma world)

  11. Re:*mutter* *mutter* *buzzword* *mutter* by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You forgot the two most common buzzwords... scalable and robust .

    They're in every blurb targetted at boardroom executives who'll collectively act like they understand something and will agree to pay for it, while individually being too embarassed to admit they don't even know what they're agreeing to.

  12. Free software = another stepping stone of humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Open Source will prove to be another milestone in human history.

    Like the gun, printing press, internal combustion engine, anti-biotics, concepts of Freedom/Liberty/Rights and various other recent human inventions it will eventaully have dramatic effects on people beyond the obvious ramifications in business.

    The movement of human technology is a movement of intellectual and political power from the minority to the majority.

    Guns destroyed Feudalism as the professional warrior class that protected it was wiped out by peasent armies with firearms.

    Philosophy, science, and religion became accessable to the common man thru the cheap books created by the invention of the printing press.

    So on and so forth.

    Without the gun, knowledge would be worthless because professional warrior class would still be dominate and enforce the will of the rulers weither or not it made sense for the majority of the people.

    So all this goes hand in hand.

    Remember the show "Connections"? This is the sort of shit I am talking about.

    If it wasn't for BSD and Unix there would be no internet. Without the Free Source software products like the BSD TCP/IP protocol stack (used in early OSes from Windows NT to AT&T unix) we wouldn't have a common language that all computers could communicate with.

    Now the entire Internet is full of more usefull information to more people then anything the world has seen before.

    Anybody that can afford a computer better then a 486sx, and a internet connection has access (by using Linux, and TCP/IP originally produced by BSD) to the same amount of information that only previously aviable to people attending large universities.

    Take the MIT open course work for instance.

    Any person, from butt-fuck montana to the tribes of South africa, if they have a internet connection, can have a presence on the world stage.

    Think about kids from small towns, many of those places don't even have libraries. Now they can read about science and liturature and other subjects only aviable to historians just 20 years ago.

    Free software means free access. I can run on my cheapo laptop the same software that multimillion dollar companies use to help develope their infrastructure.

    I can set up servers, websites, anything I want and it just costs me the the cost of the internet connection.

    Even rights-stomping, oppressive communist countries can't sensor the net well enough to stop intellegent citizens communicating and learning about the outside world. Middle eastern countries can block websites and ip addresses, but they still can't keep the truth away from their people anymore. If they do then their country will become so obsolete that they will be driven to obsolencence.

    Although they do try:
    http://wais.stanford.edu/China/china_censors hipofi nternet12402.html

    Right now pirated commercial software is filling the void, but as MS is working with countries like China to stem the flow of illegal software, free software is will begin to replace it for people that either can't afford or do not want to use Windows.

    It isn't important that free software is cheap or even more or less secure then commercial software. The Freedom means freedom of ideas, knowledge, business. Anything that people desire.

    Of course this comes with a price, but personally I am willing to sacrifice Microsoft and Bill Gate's fortune on the alter of advancements of human sociatal evolution, dignity and experiance.

  13. stories of the week?.. by BlackShirt · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Is there anybody who can quickly digest about 20 pages of excellent story written by Tim O'Reilly and produce meaningful comment in an hour.

    Slashdot needs "slow stories", "slow food".

  14. Net-enabled software will be valuable by steveha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One point in the article I found very interesting: Net software is different from simple applications. It's an important shift.

    Take an old word processor; put it on a compatible computer and fire it up. It still works to process words.

    Take an old Internet system (such as an old search engine). It's useless unless it contains up-to-date data, which means continual upkeep, and if it's old perhaps there's no one left who remembers how to tend it. A system like Google can include input from the rest of the Web automatically, which helps it stay up to date, but it's useless in isolation. And feedback systems in eBay and Amazon are very important factors in their success.

    We will still need word processors and such in the future, but they won't be as important as they have been in the past. The value of word processors and similar software will plummet towards zero, as the free programs like OpenOffice get better and are more accepted; but Google, not even ten years old yet, is essential and growing.

    General-purpose software like word processors will be a commodity. Custom apps for business will remain as a niche. Net-enabled software will be where the real value will lie.

    steveha

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  15. IBM's Unwilling Role by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Tim writes:

    One such paradigm shift occurred with the introduction of the standardized architecture of the IBM personal computer in 1981. In a huge departure from previous industry practice, IBM chose to build its computer from off the shelf components, and to open up its design for cloning by other manufacturers. As a result, the IBM personal computer architecture became the standard, over time displacing not only other personal computer designs, but over the next two decades, minicomputers and mainframes.

    Which makes IBM out as a benefactor to the Industry. But from what I remember and have read... IBM didn't seem to be the willing participant that Tim makes them out to be.

    The story doesn't begin with IBM at all. It actually begins with Apple. Apple had made the first real consumer microcomputer. The Apple II came complete with keyboard and nice custom plastic case. But until the first killer app, the Apple II was just a neat hobbyist machine.

    Microcomputers didn't catch the business world's attention until Visicalc. Visicalc was the first spreadsheet. And once people began to realize the power of the spreadsheet, everyone who crunched numbers for a living needed a microcomputer on their desktop.

    IBM had dismissed microcomputers as being the realm of scientists and hobbyists. The sudden demand for microcomputers by businesses took them by surprise. But they rallied the troops, fired up the engineers, and set an almost insane schedule to produce a machine that would cash in on this sudden market.

    We all know they made a deal with Microsoft. But since we're talking commoditization of the hardware market, we'll save that for another time.

    What's important is that IBM's engineers went for off-the-shelf components to comply with the need to get an IBM microcomputer product out fast. The only thing that made the IBM PC hardware unique was a proprietary BIOS. Enter Compaq.

    Compaq entered the market after a million dollar investment to reverse-engineer the IBM PC BIOS. They produced a superior machine for less than IBM's offering. And since it was compatible with the machine that dominated the business computing market on brand recognition alone... it was wildly successful. Compaq made back their investment and then some; $111 million in first-year sales.

    More important than Compaq's success was the beginning of a new industry. The beginning of a process. The move from proprietary hardware to commodity hardware.

    It didn't seem like this was IBM's intent at all. In fact, IBM made a failed attempt to regain control of the platform in 1997 with the PS/2 and its proprietary Micro Channel bus.
  16. From the article... by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In conclusion, software itself is no longer the primary locus of value in the computer industry. The commoditization of software drives value to services enabled by that software. New business models are required.

    This doesn't apply to software alone, but to all the DRM crap that is going on with the RIAA and MPAA. It could read "The commoditization of music drives value to services enabled by music". The business model for music should probably focus on these "enabled services" rather than the old "pay-per-use" method. I guess that's what is going on with the iTunes Music Store and the iPod.

  17. Re:A look at the grand picture is in order by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If that does come to pass, I see a future of widespread civil disobedience (think Prohibition, or quite possibly P2P copyright infringement), as well as world technology leadership and power shifting elsewhere (think German rocket science at the end of WWII, or outsourcing to India - or Hymn/Playfair and VLC)

    I don't think either Microsoft or the US Government can ultimately stop the freedom of information, but I think they can drag down this country trying.

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  18. O'Reilly on open source distorts software freedom. by jbn-o · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Quoting Tim O'Reilly's speech:

    The most common version of the history of free software begins with Richard Stallman's ethically-motivated 1984 revolt against proprietary software. It is an appealing story centered on a charismatic figure, and leads straight into a narrative in which the license he wrote -- the GPL -- is the centerpiece. But like most open source advocates, who tell a broader story about building better software through transparency and code sharing, I prefer to start the history with the style of software development that was normal in the early computer industry and academia. Because software was not seen as the primary source of value, source code was freely shared throughout the early computer industry.

    RMS' retelling of the history of the movement he started does not begin as O'Reilly describes above (or, reading O'Reilly differently, RMS is being called an "open-source advocate"). Either way, O'Reilly is wrong. RMS has made it very clear that he does not wish to be lumped in with the open source movement. As for the story of how the free software movement came to be, RMS describes how fortunate he was "in the 1970's to be part of a community of programmers who shared software" which "could trace its ancestry essentially back to the beginning of computing"; as you can see in the brief quote I include below, RMS made it clear that back then source code sharing was the norm and there was no need to define a movement to underscore the importance of treating others in the ethical way these hackers treated one another back then. It is this description of RMS' experience as a member of the MIT AI lab that sets the stage for the jarring experience he had when trying to get the source code for software which controlled the early laser printer Xerox had donated to the AI lab. RMS wanted this printer program's source code so the program could be modified to include the end-to-end feedback improvements the MIT AI lab had hacked into their previous printer control software. Read or hear the speech for yourself (links go to the 2001 NYU retelling of this story -- two years before O'Reilly first gave his speech). Read a relevant portion of RMS' speech:

    So imagine what it would be like if recipes were packaged inside black boxes. You couldn't see what ingredients they're using, let alone change them, and imagine if you made a copy for a friend, they would call you a pirate and try to put you in prison for years. That world would create tremendous outrage from all the people who are used to sharing recipes. But that is exactly what the world of proprietary software is like. A world in which common decency towards other people is prohibited or prevented.

    Now, why did I notice this? I noticed this because I had the good fortune in the 1970's to be part of a community of programmers who shared software. Now, this community could trace its ancestry essentially back to the beginning of computing. In the 1970's, though, it was a bit rare for there to be a community where people shared software. And, in fact, this was sort of an extreme case, because in the lab where I worked, the entire operating system was software developed by the people in our community, and we'd share any of it with anybody. Anybody was welcome to come and take a look, and take away a copy, and do whatever he wanted to do. There were no copyright notices on these programs. Cooperation was our way of life. And we were secure in that way of life. We didn't fight for it. We didn't have to fight for it. We just lived that way. And, as far as we knew, we would just keep on living that way. So there was free software, but there was no free software movement.

    Furthermore, when O'Reilly tells a story of "building better software through transparency and code sharing", he is not in any way speaking t

  19. Re:Bad mixture of words by Mazem · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You might say that the phrase itself has undergone a "paradigm shift" since 1962.

  20. What's wrong with you? by Slinky+Saves+the+Wor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those are terms, just like "garbage collection" or "monolithic kernel" are. Do you sneer at those terms? How about the computing terms you don't (yet) understand?

    The business terms are more abstract than computing terms, they often refer to people's behavior (people in large groups), they do not refer to anything crisp but something very fuzzy at best. They define concepts.

    But they're not "bullshit" as you so bluntly put it. Look behind them, there's actually many interesting things.

    Of course some people just throw them around like rice in a wedding, in which case the person is at fault, not the terms themselves.

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  21. Network-Enabled Collaboration by driptray · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I liked this section best, particularly his argument that Amazon is not as vulnerable to competition (say from Walmart) as previously thought due to the way they have managed to incorporate a kind of network effect into their system via all their user contributions to the site. The lesson is to get users to provide value for each other, even if the site's ultimate goal is selling widgets.

    And this argument:

    It appears that open source is the "natural language" of a networked community. Given enough developers and a network to connect them, open-source-style development behavior emerges.

    seems to refer almost directly to Moglen's Metaphorical Corollary to Faraday's Law:

    Michael Faraday first noticed what happened when he wrapped a coil of wire around a magnet and spun the magnet...So Moglen's Metaphorical Corollary to Faraday's Law says that if you wrap the Internet around every person on the planet and spin the planet, software flows in the network.

    But I dunno, maybe these arguments only make sense to the minority of internet users who actually contribute content (if only to sites like Slashdot).

  22. Re:Thats all well and good..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    However, the reason that it's not going to help in the slightest when it comes to client penetration is that an operating system that works well essentially becomes transparent to the user, who should only be interacting with their task and using the operating system to achieve this.

    You know, that is so absolutely true. But it is also where Windows fails miserably. I made the switch to Linux when it got to the point that downloading and installing the latest patches, cleaning out adware/spyware and just bloody maintaining Windows was getting in the way of doing any productive work!

    Take for example, the latest SuSE's, Gentoo, whatever, there's penguins plastered everywhere, their nice logo is rammed down your throat left and right, and the constant trumpeting of OSS is everywhere, from readme's to splash screens.

    And what version of Windows are you running? The one without the wavy Windows icon smeared across every open window on the desktop? The one without lengthy Microsoft EULA's greeting you at every install? Thge one that doesn't splash Microsoft and copyright notices on every startup screen for every application? Tell me where to get a copy!

    You either conform to the view thats presented, or you'll be annoyed by it until you get frustrated.

    I am flabbergasted! That is exactly how I felt about Windows. Nobody likes Microsoft's registration scheme, but Microsoft has demanded of every user that price for using Windows. If that isn't conforming to the view thats presented, then I don't know what the hell is! And that's only one example!

    In short (I know, I know, too late!) all of the ranting you've done about Linux distros is exactly what I dislike about Windows!