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Firefox 0.9.1 and Thunderbird 0.7.1 Released

Dave writes "The Mozilla Foundation has just made available interim releases of Firefox 0.9.1 and Thunderbird 0.7.1. Apparently: 'These releases are designed to address early issues found in the new extension manager and automatic upgrade system as well as making changes to the new Firefox theme based on initial feedback.'"

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  1. Re:Has anyone installed it yet?? by emf · · Score: 3, Informative

    I just upgraded from 9.0 without uninstalling.

    It worked fine. However it's only been like 3 minutes since i've been using 9.1.

  2. Re:Has anyone installed it yet?? by BackwardEngineer · · Score: 3, Informative

    I just installed it this morning and it installed flawlessly over 0.9

  3. Re:Has anyone installed it yet?? by Enlarge+Your+Penis · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes

    First, for these preview releases it is strongly recommended that you uninstall any previous version of Firefox first

  4. 0.9 Unstable by MyShinyMetalAss · · Score: 2, Informative

    Firefox 0.9 has been quite unstable on my (Win) system compared to earlier relases. Hopefully this release addresses some of the issues.

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    1. Re:0.9 Unstable by orthogonal · · Score: 5, Informative

      Firefox 0.9 has been quite unstable on my (Win) system compared to earlier relases [sic]. Hopefully this release addresses some of the issues.

      Try uninstalling extensions.

      When I upgrade to 0.9, it ran like a dog on my W2K box, hitting 100% CPU utilization nearly every time I did anything in the browser, making 0.9 nearly useless. (I'm sure there's a pr0n/masturbation joke to be found in the previous sentence; I leave it as an exercise for the enterprising troll.)

      As I was about to revert to Fire$BEAST 0.8, I decided to look at the extensions I'd installed.

      I tracked the slow-down to an extension designed to notify of javascript errors. This may not be the extension's fault per se, as I use Proxomitron to filter out ads and (some) javascript; the extension may just have been doing more work than it expected dealing with references to filtered-out javascript.

      After removing the extension (and closing and re-starting Fire$VERTEBRATE -- don't skip this step) the ridiculous CPU utilization want away, and 0.9 worked fine.

    2. Re:0.9 Unstable by FraggedSquid · · Score: 5, Informative

      I migrated the famlies browsing to Netscape 7.1 and Firefox (IIRC 0.9) just before Micrsofts little trouble last weekend. So far Firefox has withstood my daughters browsing of Barbie, Cbeebies and Cartoon Network (including watching the web shows and playing the games) and successfully worked with my on-line grocers site. If any bit of software can survive prolonged contact with a small child, it has to be good.

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  5. Great work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I really cannot congratulate the Mozilla developers and FireFox teams on this immense effort.

    I noticed a little 'downloads available' popup, very nice.

    I would like to see the tab-wrapping, where tabs do not reduce in size, but wrap onto a new line, that is handy for people who have about 8 tabs open at once (any more and they should resize)

    Great work!

  6. Re:Adblock... by MicroBerto · · Score: 5, Informative

    Adblock does rule - but it doesn't work until you go into their message board and use their recommended ruleset (which then works incredibly). They should make that default, or at least question the user upon installation if they would like to use that as default setup.

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  7. Re:Adblock... by shic · · Score: 2, Informative

    In previous versions of Firefox (when I tried 0.8, for example) Adblock was available as the most recommended extension. Now, after I've advised others try Firefox, and they have installed 0.9, the Adblock extension is no-longer available. I've heard that this was due to compatibility problems with the extension manager - though I've no inside knowledge.

  8. Re:Adblock... by Murf_E · · Score: 5, Informative

    Extensions for 0.9.x can be found here
    It seems installing over 0.9.0 will keep your old extentions and themes

    install firesomething too its the best extention there is

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  9. Re:Firefox doesn't know it's been upgraded by linuxci · · Score: 2, Informative

    I see this too (Linux) remember this is the first time that the upgrade system has been tested in the public so some teething erros like this may occur.

    It's good that this is happening now before 1.0 or even 1.0beta is released.

    It could be either an error on the server side or the client side, if it's the client side then just hold tight, if it's the server side they'll surely fix it asap.

  10. Re:Firefox doesn't know it's been upgraded by Zarjazz · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's a know bug as they kept the internal version number at 0.9 so they didn't break lots of extentions.

  11. Re:Adblock... by Kormac · · Score: 5, Informative

    The nightly builds of AdBlock seem to work fine for me under FireFox .9 and .9.1.
    (Although I did run into the "please wait while Mozilla finishes installing your extension" bug when upgrading from a previous version of AdBlock on my Mozilla .9 install -- but .9.1 fixes that issue)

    Get the AdBlock nighly builds at http://adblock.mozdev.org/dev.html

    Kormac

  12. Re:Adblock... by gumpish · · Score: 2, Informative

    You'll have to copy and paste, Mozilla doesn't like slashdot linking to their bugs:

    http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2482 79

  13. Working mirrors by Halo- · · Score: 5, Informative
    http://mirrors.kernel.org/mozilla
    ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/mozilla/
    http://mozilla.gnusoft.net/

    These worked for me. (Posted as AC to avoid whore-accusations. :) )

  14. Re:Unpopular default theme by linuxci · · Score: 4, Informative

    The theme in 0.9 was a work in progress released early in the hope to gain some feedback, the 0.9.1 release just is updated with the current progress of that theme.

    The original theme in 0.8 and below was removed for licensing reasons. You can still install it by going to the themes secion of update.mozilla.org (also accessible from the Theme Manager in the Tools menu)

  15. Re:Adblock... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    There is an extension to use your old extensions. I had adblock working and I still have it after upgrading and installing that other extension.

  16. Re:Is it me by beef3k · · Score: 2, Informative

    Errr, that's more or less the whole point of Firefox.

    Compared to Mozilla; no Composer, no email client, no IRC client, no spaceship landing dock - JUST the browser.

    So yes, of course it doesn't consume as much resources as it's big brother.

  17. Yus! by Ckwop · · Score: 5, Informative

    Did anyone else notice the CSS/Drawing bug on Slashdot where the side panel overlapped the side panel slightly. That bug has been fixed in this release.

    I love firefox :D

    Si.

    1. Re:Yus! by lucare · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry to say this seems to be a problem with Mozilla/Firefox and not with slashdot. The bug is called the slashdot bug on bugzilla (Bug # 217527) and has been discussed before on slashdot.

      To see more information about this bug cut and paste the following link since Bugzilla does not allow direct links from slashdot
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      http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217527
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      Unfortunetly it does not look like it will be fixed until Mozilla 1.8a2 ... since it is the only reason I am not using Firefox at the moment.

      Hope this helps,
      Bill

  18. Re:Disappointed by linuxci · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you're having weird problems with Firefox it might be because there was a bug in some of ther nightly builds and maybe the release candidates (?) that could cause problems with your profile. If you've got nothing critical in your profile (bookmarks, passwords etc) then just try deleting all traces off it and starting again.

    In Windows your profile will live in the %APPDATA% directory which in 9x is usually c:\windows\application data and in 2k/XP C:\Documents and Settings\user\application data\ (folder may be hidden).

    In this directory delete the directories Phoenix, Firefox and the Firefox directory within Mozilla if it exists.

    As this is pre-1.0 software, sometimes problems may occur.

  19. NOT for Win95! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    FF .9 appears to not run properly on Win95. Now the interesting thing is that Mozilla initially stated that .8 was for 98 and later. However, it turned out to run fine on 95. So the web pages were changed to reflect that.

    This time, it said "98 and later" and I assumed that they'd made the same error again. But when I tried .9, it just didn't work right. So I went back to .8. But now several versions of Bookmark Link Checker fail to work, i.e., no UI (no buttons or menu choices appear).

    Wish they hadn't established the ambiguity in the first place. Had I known that .9 would fail, *I would've just kept using .8 and having the Link Checker work!*

  20. Re:Disappointed by twbecker · · Score: 3, Informative

    You must not have liked it too much to have given up so easily. Deleting your profile, either via the profile manager or manually and then reinstalling would have most likely solved your problem. Considering Firefox takes 1 minute to install, it's not that big a deal.

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  21. Re:Disappointed by upside · · Score: 2, Informative

    A few nitpicks:
    -0.9rc is a release candidate so expect it to be buggy. In fact it's not even 1.0 so even the FireFox team considers current releases to be pre-releases.
    -You can set the install directory if you select Custom in the Setup Type dialog

    I'm currently trying to make an MSI installer out of 0.9.1 so I can deploy it across the network using GPOs. Anyone had success with this?

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  22. Re:Adblock... by B'Trey · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's funny. I'm running 0.9 right now with AdBlock and have been since the day it was released.

    I don't believe that AdBlock is listed as an extension if you go to the 0.9 extensions page. But sonce Firefox helpfully imported all of my bookmarks from 0.8, I just went to the old extensions page and installed it from there. I had zero problems with the installation and zero problems with running it.

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  23. Re:Disappointed by tunah · · Score: 2, Informative
    Maybe when 1.0 comes out I'll give it another shot. And hopefully they'll improve the install. I particularly hate the fact that I can't just type in an install directory name, but have to go browse the directory. It defaults to C:\Program Files\Firefox and I just want to change the C: to a D: Why does that have to be so difficult?

    I agree with your point, but you'll save time in the longrun by changing HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\ProgramFilesDir to "D:\Program Files" in the registry.

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  24. Re:Unpopular default theme by Badaro · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can also get the theme by going to the author's website (see sig).

    []s Badaro

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  25. Re:Adjusting my tinfoil hat by linuxci · · Score: 3, Informative

    0.9 had a lot of new features and so it was expected a lot of small bugs would be found once it was released due to widespread testing so most people anticipated this release. It fixed the most annoying bugs in 0.9 so the developers can now concentrate on 1.0 beta

    http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/ - click on the roadmap link when you goto this page

  26. Re:Adblock... by ozbon · · Score: 4, Informative

    I found that Adblock works fine on my 0.9. However, I did also install the Show Old Extensions extension which has been a god-send for re-enabling stuff that 0.9 blocked.

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  27. 0.9 and OSX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Firebird 0.9 is completely buggy under Mac OS X.
    Extensions are loaded one out of 10 times,
    lots of UI bugs etc.

    I actually had to download the old 0.8 version,
    which was the best (again, under Max OS X that
    is)

    I hope this new version will fix the tons of
    bugs...

  28. Re:Has anyone installed it yet?? by lawpoop · · Score: 4, Informative

    I upgraded without uninstalling too. It worked fine... until I closed the browser and tried to open it again. Then the splash screen would disappear without a trace.

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  29. Re:Good job for the Theme complaints, folks by TreeHead · · Score: 2, Informative

    "I'm not sure if the theme is switched back to Qute, which I like, but all I know is that the 0.9 theme just wasn't professional enough to 'take over the world'."

    ;i just installed ff0.9.1, and the theme is the same as 0.9, albeit with a few *minor* tweaks to the back, forward, refresh, and stop button icons.

    ;treehead

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  30. Re:Adblock... by geighaus · · Score: 5, Informative

    get it here

  31. Re:Has anyone installed it yet?? by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 2, Informative

    I always clear the cache, then go and zip up the
    C:\Documents and Settings\{Username}\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\{Username}\{gibberish}.slt
    directory before upgrading just in case of disaster (at least on a Win2K/XP system). That backs up and saves all your bookmarks, cookies, mail and news, settings, etc.

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  32. Re:Thankfully by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Informative

    They never changed the name for fun before, but because of unfortunate trademark problems. They've since learned their lesson and Firefox is now a registered trademark. It won't change anytime soon, not even to "Mozilla Browser", as far as I know.

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  33. Re:Adblock... by TheShadowHawk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try going to this Adblock forum link:

    What adblock filters should I use??

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  34. Re:theme by PeterPumpkin · · Score: 2, Informative

    This newest new default theme does look much nicer than that macinwindows one they had before. If you are upgrading from regular 0.9, you won't see it if you have another theme installed. You'll have to switch back to default to see it.

  35. Re:Firefox doesn't know it's been upgraded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try this:
    Open your prefs.js file and delete all the lines that start with: user_pref("update.

    Prefs file is here:
    data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\default.xxx\p refs.js

    Worked for me, anyway...

  36. Screenshot of Winstripe in 0.9.1 by mksolutions · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a screenshot of winstripe in 0.9.1.

    Looks much better than in 0.9 if you ask me. Good Job!

  37. Hope this helps you fix your problems with 0.9 by carlmenezes · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, let me guess :

    1) No tabbrowser extensions?
    Try here : http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/tbe (it works and I'm using it on 0.9 right now)

    2) No Adblock or it doesn't work right?
    Try here : http://adblock.mozdev.org/adblock-0.5-dev.xpi (again, it works perfectly on 0.9 and I'm using it)

    Finally, if stuff still does not work for you, use this old trick that has saved me a lot of times :

    Close Firefox.
    Rename your profile folder.
    Start Firefox again - it will re-create your profile folder. Close it.
    Copy over the following files to the new profile folder (overwriting the existing ones) :

    bookmarks.html
    history.dat
    formhistory.dat
    co okies.txt
    signons.txt

    That's it. Ofcourse, you will have to install your extensions all over again, but that does not take much time and it's worth the effort. Every single time I've used this procedure it's worked perfectly and Firefox has gone back to it's usual efficient self.

    Hope this helps.

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    1. Re:Hope this helps you fix your problems with 0.9 by tyroney · · Score: 2, Informative

      Go to windows's "folder options" from the tools menu of some open folder, on the file types tab, and find the .htm and .html types. Highlight, click "advanced", highlight "open" in the list, hit "edit", and find that the dde info is still set to IE for some reason. Uncheck "use dde", ok all the windows, and it'll work. (if you go back and check, the dde will still be checked, but will be set to firefox as it should be) Go back and repeat for the other extension you didn't do the first time.

  38. Re:Is it me by RichM · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can see what's stored in the RAM in Mozilla browsers by typing "about:cache?device=memory" into the address bar.
    If it's using too much memory, you can try reducing the RAM cache by typing "about:config" into the address bar then look for the key "browser.cache.memory.capacity" and change the value to 1024 or something similar.
    More here.

  39. Re:Hurry up already!!! by RichM · · Score: 3, Informative
    Well I'm not waiting around for them to dump the only windows browser I use, so I'm going to make a switch now. Hopefully I can keep the pain to a minimum, but it will mean downloading the ENTIRE Java runtime enviorment on a dialup... I'll see you in 2020.
    You should really be using the Sun Java anyway though, even with IE, because Microsoft are no longer allowed to bundle any form of it (i.e. Java VM) with Windows.
  40. Re:Regarding Mozilla by vrt3 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Mozilla is a suite, containing a browser, a mail/news client, an addressbook, an IRC-client, a HTML editor. Hence it is quite a heavy application.

    Thunderbird and Firefox are derived from the same codebase, but are much lighter since they contain much less functionality. Thunderbird is just mail/news (including an addressbook of course) and Firefox is only the browser.

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  41. Re:New theme by Sunspire · · Score: 4, Informative

    Try this: Open the Firefox Options, look under Advanced and check the box for "Use smooth scrolling".

    Incidentally, this is always the first feature I disable in IE since it makes the whole browser feel sluggish in my opinion. Different strokes for different folks, I guess...

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  42. Re:Regarding Mozilla by vrt3 · · Score: 5, Informative
    It's all on http://mozilla.org/roadmap.html:

    Focus development efforts on the new standalone applications: the browser currently code-named Firefox, the Mozilla Thunderbird mail/news application, and standalone composer and other apps based on the the new XUL toolkit used by Firefox and Thunderbird. We aim to make Firefox and Thunderbird our premier products.

    That's what you are saying, and what I already knew. But now there's also this:
    Updated: Maintain the SeaMonkey application suite, currently built by default, for enterprises and other organizations with large existing Mozilla deployments. SeaMonkey remains an important product for many customers.
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  43. What splash screen? by zonix · · Score: 2, Informative

    AFAIK, Firefox doesn't include a splash screen (yet)?

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  44. Re:Good job for the Theme complaints, folks by RickHunter · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, what happened was that the developers arbitrarily decided that Qute wasn't "good enough" anymore and that it had "license problems". They then didn't even try to talk to the author, but simply decided to replace it. The author, as soon as he found out, made it known that he was willing to accomodate the license changes they wanted, but the developers told him, very rudely, to go away and stop boterhing them because his contribution wasn't wanted.

    So yes, the venom the devs got WAS warranted, because they were being asses. And I hope they KEEP getting it until they change back to Qute.

  45. Re:Has anyone installed it yet?? by allism · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well...since you'd be rolling back from 9.0 to 0.9.1, I think that might be a bad move...

    Seriously, I went to take a look at the release notes linked to on the download page and got taken to the 0.9 page, but you can see the release notes for 0.9.1 here. This should give you enough info to judge whether you want to upgrade.

  46. Re:IE troubles.. by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Comparing version numbers between different products is like comparing apples to oranges. Firefox/Mozilla has had at least as much development time as IE has, maybe more. One could just as well argue that IE's version number is grossly inflated.

    Just to be completely anal, let's look at the IE timeline:

    • 1995: Internet Explorer 1.0 (included in Microsoft Plus! For Windows 95)
      I've never used this, or even saw it installed on a computer. Based on NCSA Mosiac apparently.
    • 1995: Internet Explorer 2.0
      Played around with this one on an NT4 workstation. Incredibly primitive browser.
    • 1996: Internet Explorer 3.0
      Microsoft says this was a "completely rebuilt" browser, so probably the start of the current codebase. I found it extremely buggy at the time.
    • 1997: Internet Explorer 4.0
      Many improvements, IE is finally usable and competitive with Netscape. However, both browsers have their own proprietary DOMs.
    • 1998: Internet Explorer 5.0
      Again, numerous improvements. IE solidifies it's lead over Netscape 4, and implements W3C DOM compatibility.
    • 2001: Internet Explorer 6
      Minimal changes since IE5. Better cookie handling, print preview, etc. Numerous problems still exist with the CSS implementation, PNG support, and other issues.
    • So in a nutshell, I would consider the period from 1996-1998 to be the development time for IE. Everything since then has mainly been maintenance releases.

  47. Re:holding off on upgrading by jesser · · Score: 2, Informative

    Firefox 0.9 includes fixes for at least two security holes. Please do not continue using 0.8.

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  48. Re:Alternative browsers are pointless by psbrogna · · Score: 5, Informative

    If CERT/Homeland Security publicly recommend people switch that's going to definitely have some influence. They came pretty close to doing just that with recent IIS/IE vulnerabilities. The Washington Post picked it up Saturday.

  49. Re:One question: by jesser · · Score: 2, Informative

    "The memory leak in Firefox 0.9" is about as specific as "The crash in Firefox 0.9". There are probably several leaks and crashes. Different people will experience different ones, and some people won't experience any.

    Can you be more specific, such as by including a link to a bug about a specific memory leak? If it was a crash I'd ask you for a talkback ID or stack trace, but I don't think there's an equally easy way to identify a memory leak.

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  50. For Mac OS X users by majid · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you want the Tab Browser Extensions to work, use the "Smoke" theme instead of the default one. Kind of ironic that Firefox is standardizing on the OS X inspired theme on all platforms, when that theme is broken on OS X itself...

  51. Re:Has anyone installed it yet?? by Vaevictis666 · · Score: 2, Informative

    and just so peoples are aware, it looks like the release notes between both of the pages you linked are the same.

  52. Re:Firefox doesn't know it's been upgraded by duncanatlk · · Score: 5, Informative

    Specifically...
    Browse to 'about:config'.
    In the filter box type 'update'.
    Double click 'update.app.updatesAvailable' and change the value from 'true' to false.
    Restart Browser.

  53. Re:Planned Feature: ActiveX installer - WTF?? by 241comp · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, ActiveX itself isn't the root of IE's problems. The root of IE's problems is that it is closely tied into the OS and does not run in a "sandbox" of sorts. That means that any vulnerability in IE is a vulnerability in Windows. Where ActiveX plays into this is that there are holes in many ActiveX plugins that when exploited can alter the OS. ActiveX plugins that are run in a proper sandbox (and in an application that is not part of the operating system) are no more dangerous than Firefox extensions are.

  54. Re:One question: by MsGeek · · Score: 2, Informative

    All I know was this: I was using FireFox 0.9 for about two hours the first night I downloaded it onto this machine:

    Thinkpad 600e
    400MHz Pentium II Mobile processor
    228MB RAM
    10GB HD
    running Knoppix 3.3 installed to HD.

    All went well until FireFox became very sluggish. Did the top command in console, and noticed that FireFox's process was taking 95% of CPU. I tried a simple kill of FireFox's process, but it wouldn't yield. A kill -9 did the trick.

    I have been limiting the amount of time I use FireFox 0.9 and that seems to help. Quitting the program and then restarting it seems to be beneficial.

    If this is useful, please let me know.

    Thanks,
    Michelle

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  55. Re:Firefox doesn't know it's been upgraded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    If your Firefox has already found the update, turning the update off doesn't help (which is another bug)