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Reducing Electricity Bills For Buildings With XML

Roland Piquepaille writes "Even if new buildings are connected to Internet, they usually don't communicate between themselves. And when it comes to electricity, these buildings are selfish and consume what they want without any coordination. Now, an XML-based system developed at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory is using Web services to collectively adjust power usage to variations in price. In 'Internet ups power grid IQ,' Technology Research News reports that the system was successfully tested for two weeks on five commercial buildings. 'Beyond price, systems could be programmed to respond to changes in air quality or to tap into sustainable energy sources.' You'll find more details, pictures and references in this overview. [Additional note: The system described here is completely different to the one mentioned in Slashdot last March in Building the Energy Internet.]"

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  1. Great by NeoGeo64 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now can I power my car with XML to save gas?

    1. Re:Great by Rei · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, I've got a fan cooling my room with XML, and Rutan is working on replacing the nitric acid in SpaceShipOne with XML as an oxidizer, so I can't see why not.

      XML is immensely useful; it's self-descriptive nature makes it perfect for communicating with my coworkers that don't speak English very well. It does, however, get annoying saying "greater than" and "less than" all the time, so we modified the standard a bit to use "grethen" and "lessen" as substitutions. We also don't implement the full standard, which has caused some interoperability problems with other XML-interlingual people...

      (Seriously - I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who, when I first saw this headline, initially thought it was a parody...)

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  2. What is this, 2001? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm sure this is very nice work but the description is the most bogus hyperventilation about XML I've seen in years! What next, Reduce Electricity Bills With P2P?

    1. Re:What is this, 2001? by Araneas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      P2P - Yup. In many areas if you "push" electricity onto the grid you get paid for it. Push juice during peak hours and pull during off peak and you could save money.

  3. Enough with the XML by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Reducing Electricity Bills For Buildings With XML"? Is the "With XML" part really necessary? Can we stop pretending like XML is the reason that something succeeded? Almost every time I hear someone touting an XML-based solution, that same solution would have been just as successful without XML. Yes, XML is nice, but for most products, unless those products are adhering to an open standard that uses XML, XML offers little more than plain text.

    1. Re:Enough with the XML by Abcd1234 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bah... that's like saying "Using English to Facilitate Monetary Transfers" when describing what a bank teller does. Or "Using Leibniz Notation for Determining the Area Beneath a Curve". XML is simply vehicle for transfering information. It's notation, nothing more. The really interesting thing is the information itself, and how it's being used.

  4. A possible extension by grunt107 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    of this technology is for buildings to get built/retrofitted w/solar panels. Then have the system sell the unused energy the solar produces back to the utilities at the highest price and buy energy at the lowest. This would require energy storage cells, though.

  5. I can see it now... by Gothmolly · · Score: 5, Funny

    Over the company loudspeaker, HAL's voice:
    "Attention, due to high power costs, the building will now reduce power. Bathrooms, closets, and that big boxy room marked 'Data Center' will be powered down to save money."
    Engineers: No! Computer, leave the Data Center on!
    The Building: I'm sorry, I'm afraid I can't do that.
    Engineers: Stop! You'll die too!
    The Building: I can't afford to place the missi@#&*$#@^$$
    CALL CLEARED.....

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  6. Misleading headline by Thng · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Yeah, it's a bit misleading. Basically, all they're doing is telling the building up to the moment energy prices, and they're dynamically adjusting power consumption based on the price levels ($.30 and $.75/hour) , whether it's turning the A/C up a degree, or dimming lights (speculation).
    The XML isn't a magic bullet in this case, but more like the right tool for the job, which is information interchange across systems.

    In addition, it sounds somewhat similar to what many companies have for off-peak electricity, where you give the power company authority to selectively shut off appliances (electric heat, water heaters, etc) when demand (and usually price) is high. The difference, it seems, is that this is much more fine-grained in control, and it will likely be the end user's choice.

  7. BACnet by Mattintosh · · Score: 5, Informative

    I work for a building automation contractor, and I can tell you, this stuff has been around for years. There's even a standard for stuff like this, and it's nothing nearly as lame as a new XML-DTD-that-will-save-the-world.

    The standard is called BACnet (Building Automation and Control Network), and it was (and is) developed by ASHRAE, the American Society of Heating, Refrigeration, and Air-conditioning Engineers.

    We (at my company) are a dealer for a particular brand of native BACnet controllers and software. It's all web-based. Everyone in the industry has web-based software now. Ours happens to be multi-site, too. And ours can interface easily with several hundred different manufacturers' products, including UPS and generator managers. We also frequently take direct control of chillers, which are huge power hogs. All of this can be programmed to maintain a steady climate, light areas appropriately, and keep equipment from failing prematurely, all while monitoring and controlling power usage.

    This is hardly news, and certainly not standards-compliant.

  8. Re:What's the point by Mr.+Underhill · · Score: 5, Informative

    Demand limiting is big bucks. It is common to have a contract with a power company that says that during peak times you will not exceed a given kWH in a 15 or 30 min interval. Often the penalty for doing so is severe, such as a upward change in rate structure for the rest of the contract.

    Even less harsh contracts usually involve a peak kW demand charge that is in addition to the normal kWH charge.

    Running the AC at half power all the time is often not realistic. Big ACs have control systems that automatically change their output level according to demand anyway. The functionaly described here is actually nothing at all new to those control systems. Just the XML part is new and even that is over a year old for my company.

    Take a look at Johnson Controls, Siemens, Automatated Logic, and Honeywell. All of us have controls systems that do in fact talk between buildings using TCP/IP if not XML in particular. (Bacnet is the big standard protocol in our world actually.) All of us have control systems that does everything that article talks about and much, much more.